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BigRed0427 posted:So what the gently caress is Behold a Pale horse? A compilation of all the greatest conspiracy hits, packaged into one very influential pre-internet book. A ton of it plays directly into Alex's worldview.
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FFT posted:Apparently Putin calls Tucker out directly on having wanted to join the CIA so there is that to look forward to https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1755748231760183771 It's going to be funny to listen to Alex try to spin how his boy Tucker was there just to be a punching bag for Putin's enjoyment
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BigRed0427 posted:So what the gently caress is Behold a Pale horse? The turner diaries for ufo nuts instead of militia nuts A book full of dumb bullshit and racist bigotry that has likely caused much more harm than good Edit: every time I think about behold a pale horse, I think of a book by a creepy sex pest that I read as a young teen with rad cover art  Death in a sports car is much more fun than a balding dumpy dude who wants to ramble about USAF classified documents he might have seen once rotinaj fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Feb 9, 2024 |
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Tucker realizing how wildly out of his depth he is while Putin casually smashes through all of Tucker's narratives is hilarious Horrifying, but also hilarious
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I read Piers Anthony way too early in the 80s/90s, too. Even as a pre pubescent I had a gut feeling something hosed up was going on. Those first couple Xanth books were super fun, though.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I read Piers Anthony way too early in the 80s/90s, too. Even as a pre pubescent I had a gut feeling something hosed up was going on. Those first couple Xanth books were super fun, though. Is there a support group for us? I already have the t-shirt.
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Ogma posted:Is there a support group for us? I already have the t-shirt. There's a Let's Read of a lot of Xanth. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3560541 It was, uhh, a lot more hosed up than I remembered it being when I read it as a teenager.
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bird food bathtub posted:There's a Let's Read of a lot of Xanth. All I need to remember was when he lovingly described 13 year olds fuckin’ to the point that they could call the stork to summon a baby That and the fact that he published a book called “the color of her panties”, because a whole book really needed to be dedicated to what choice a nudist made when forced to put on some underwear
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I'm sorry I contributed to the derail.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I'm sorry I contributed to the derail. I'd rather this than talking about Tucker Carlson.
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So what's the odds on Tucker returning alive from Russia vs dying from "natural" causes (dying from "natural" causes may happen post-return to the US, depending on how long poison takes to kick)?
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BigRed0427 posted:I'd rather this than talking about Tucker Carlson. We’re not talking about Tucker we’re talking about Putin roasting him into slag in front of the world and it’s very funny.
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Feb 9, 2024 20:37
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Tucker comes from the American "I'm a special boy!" school of patriarchy where all the soft rich boys communal agree that they are equally 'the best men'. Putin reminded the little soft serve turd that 'real men' constantly degrade their simperiong lessers, even if they are allies. Tucker will have to flee back to Alex for some ego stroking about why Daddy was so mean to him.
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Tucker's the kind of guy that likes jack-booted authoritarians because he's operating under the assumption that he'll never be one of the ones under the boot by dint of being rich, white, male, and Christian. Putin effortlessly putting him in his place is exactly the kind of schadenfreude I tune into the podcast for.
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Personally I just wanna see Dan try to take a drink from the firehose of propaganda that Putin spouts.
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I appreciate the other person who is driven crazy by Jordan's verbal tics.
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Grand Fromage posted:I appreciate the other person who is driven crazy by Jordan's verbal tics. 
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BigRed0427 posted:We could just...not do that. I recommended that they look into the Art Bell/David John Oates saga. Oates is an expert on backwards masking in speech, like he would take clips of Bob Dole and Bill Clinton and play them backwards ans they'd actually be saying "I like communism, it's actually really great" or whatever. Art was really taken with him and had him on a bunch of times. Eventually their relationship soured, and David started playing clips of Art on his own exceptionally badly produced internet radio show doing his backward masking shtick. I mean, it's early internet radio, terrible audio and technical issues from top to bottom. The whole thing ends up devolving to Oates accusing Art of being a pimp and a child molester and pornographer, which results in lawsuits and C&Ds. Art moves on, but Oates would never let the whole thing go. It's all well documented and I think it could be a fun diversion for Dan if he got too far into the weeds with goddamn Alex Jones, but they never got back to me on it. I started Knowledge Fight from the beginning about 6 months ago, and I got up to the COVID era before Alex got just that much more infuriating. I switched over to Doughboys for now because all I could thinking about was wringing Alex's fat neck, and that's not a healthy place to be when you're just looking for something to distract you at work.
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DangerDummy! posted:I recommended that they look into the Art Bell/David John Oates saga. Oates is an expert on backwards masking in speech, like he would take clips of Bob Dole and Bill Clinton and play them backwards ans they'd actually be saying "I like communism, it's actually really great" or whatever. You should check out the Formulaic Objections series of civil depositions. It features lots of not-Alex and he gets clowned on hard whenever he is on.
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Froghammer posted:Formulaic Objections repeatedly demonstrates that the concept of follow-up questions just utterly baffles Alex. The man is incapable of seeing a problematic chain of logic coming from more than a single question away, so he repeatedly stumbles into very obvious rhetorical traps and has to constantly fall back on "I don't remember". It's great. You’re telling me that the guy who thought having a dude yell obscenities and harassing, paparazzi style questioning at parents of a mass tragedy might be perhaps not the best at envisioning future problems?  there might be something to that
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I thought the Tucker Putin episode would be a hard listen, but at 35 minutes this is the most I've laughed at an episode in weeks. This is way more fun than the recent debate.
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That “maybe Hungary can take back parts of Ukraine huh huh?” Is pretty shocking! First time I’ve heard of Hungarian irredentism in a mainstreamish English source.
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I know I get old with my TurboNerd history poo poo, but hearing Putin talk out the draconian reasons why Ukraine belongs to him is like reading the inscription of a Sumerian king detailing why it is cool and good he sacked another city-state. Spartans would officially declare war on their own slave population to be square with gods, thus freeing them of guilt. These weirdo strong men have always needed to justify their violence with convoluted logic, family tree revisionism, or divine right. I’m sure it has to do a lot with the direct face-to-face nature of early human societies, but it also smacks of “I’m a special boy and you have to do what I say or else!” I recently read a newer anthropology book and the authors made the case (to be hyper reductive) that declaring sovereignty over other people is the practice of using coercion to give you unearned, special care. “Wipe my rear end or I’ll stab you”, basically. That’s all I can think about while listening to this. Marsupial Ape fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Feb 12, 2024 |
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Xiahou Dun posted:You should check out the Formulaic Objections series of civil depositions. It features lots of not-Alex and he gets clowned on hard whenever he is on. I was listening chronologically so I didn't want to skip ahead, but I'm glad I took your suggestion. My takeaways a few episodes in is that Daria might be a sociopath, and the Sandy Hook lawyers are loving savages. Love those guys.
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DangerDummy! posted:I was listening chronologically so I didn't want to skip ahead, but I'm glad I took your suggestion. My takeaways a few episodes in is that Daria might be a sociopath, and the Sandy Hook lawyers are loving savages. Love those guys. Oh you are in for some absolutely amazing treats if this is your first time through.
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Yeah, after going through all of the FO playlist, I feel like Barnes hosed Alex bad. Barnes didn't do the work and actively lied to Alex about how bad he screwed up, and by the time he switched lawyers, they were facing bad odds. Granted, Infowars tried to play court games that it couldn't get away with, but I genuinely believe that Alex didn't realize he had multiple lawsuits against him until that post-trial deposition where Mark had to shout into Alex's face multiple times that Alex only responded to one of the lawsuits and that he had multiple suits against him.
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Marsupial Ape posted:Mark even reminds Alex, I think as a kindness, that he could sue his lawyers for malpractice or whatever. Alex won’t, though. That’s too much like admitting he hosed up in his decision making. Suing his lawyers and winning would mean more money going to the plaintiffs.
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Plan Z posted:Yeah, after going through all of the FO playlist, I feel like Barnes hosed Alex bad. Barnes didn't do the work and actively lied to Alex about how bad he screwed up, and by the time he switched lawyers, they were facing bad odds. Granted, Infowars tried to play court games that it couldn't get away with, but I genuinely believe that Alex didn't realize he had multiple lawsuits against him until that post-trial deposition where Mark had to shout into Alex's face multiple times that Alex only responded to one of the lawsuits and that he had multiple suits against him. Allow me to offer one possible thing against that interpretation. On one of the KF episodes not immediately after the Connecticut trial but around there, Alex does an unfortunate flow-of-the-conversation admission with a random guest. He says that when Heslin and Pozner first sued InfoWars, Barnes told Alex the proper thing to do was to comply with the discovery process. Alex was adamantly against the idea, and at the time of admitting it, said that he regretted not listening to him in light of the circumstances. After an awkward laugh, Alex dropped the subject and never brought it up again. Dan and Jordan didn't really remark too much on it when it happened, because it essentially confirmed what their suspicions were leading up to that point. There exists evidence that Barnes was attempting to do good lawyerly things in Alex's general direction, and Alex himself refusing to go along with it. For as odious of a person Barnes may be, essentially all of the apparent-bad-lawyering he did was entirely at Alex's own behest. Alex giving the impression that Barnes was at fault for all of it was just a narcissistic deflection technique, just as he does for everything else. There is a reason Alex hasn't sued Barnes for legal malpractice, because Barnes actually has a defense against such claims.
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