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Alchenar posted:Yeah the best bit of the interview and an actually useful window into Putin's mindset is the massive and obvious contempt he has for Tucker, the guy who's sole purpose in being in the country is to fawn over him and shill for Russia back in the US. In fairness, Tucker is off the charts contemptible, that's actually pretty humanizing.
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It's not humanizing enough, to be clear, he's just correctly identified that Tucker sucks rear end. (You do not "gotta hand it to him")
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Feb 9, 2024 22:05
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I remember some intelligence analyst in an interview talking about Putin sitting in the Kremlin library poring over crumbling maps and documents showing Russia's past glory. Before this interview, I hadn't quite realized that this was literally true.
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Regarding Tucker Carlson and his need to do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_nFI2Zb7qE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XzbxxF95vM
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Putin has 100% lost the narrative. I have no loving clue what the point of granting that interview was. Was that red meat for the Russian faithful? It seemed meandering and pointless even without the difficulty of translation.
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Huh, it's always strange/cool for me to see stuff I work on in the wild. That studio is using an ATEM switcher, judging by the multiview screen.
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Grip it and rip it posted:Putin has 100% lost the narrative. I have no loving clue what the point of granting that interview was. Was that red meat for the Russian faithful? It seemed meandering and pointless even without the difficulty of translation. Did you notice how he (strong Russian man) intimidated the western (weak, pathetic and of questionable parentage and sexuality) journalist? Because that was literally the point.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Did you notice how he (strong Russian man) intimidated the western (weak, pathetic and of questionable parentage and sexuality) journalist? Because that was literally the point. lol maybe the secret of how to win in Ukraine is buried somewhere in the archives in Moscow. loving bookworm dweeb b*****
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Grip it and rip it posted:Putin has 100% lost the narrative. I have no loving clue what the point of granting that interview was. Was that red meat for the Russian faithful? It seemed meandering and pointless even without the difficulty of translation. See Sam Greene (above). One bit is messing with US politics. Another bit is balancing the fact that he just banned the only anti-war candidate from standing in the Russian elections so he needs to throw some hint of hope to his people of being open to peace, even if he totally isn't.
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Alchenar posted:See Sam Greene (above). One bit is messing with US politics. Another bit is balancing the fact that he just banned the only anti-war candidate from standing in the Russian elections so he needs to throw some hint of hope to his people of being open to peace, even if he totally isn't. I don't really buy the "hope of being open to peace"-thing because as far as I can tell the Russian population by and large don't want peace, they want victory, so I don't get why Putin would care about that distant minority.
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PurpleXVI posted:I don't really buy the "hope of being open to peace"-thing because as far as I can tell the Russian population by and large don't want peace, they want victory, so I don't get why Putin would care about that distant minority. Isn't that the point? Putin doesn't actually care, but he wants to pretend to care, so that people will more easily continue to be delusional about how peace is right around the corner (if only the evil homo nazis of Nato would agree to it etc etc) With someone like Putin, you always need to keep in mind that his actual personal goals are one thing and what he wants people to believe is a completely different thing e: also another technique of his is sending many different messages to people at the same time, so that they all have something they can hear and be happy about, in this case even the "I just want peace" crowd got something they like to hear, not just the "Ukraine has always been Russia" crowd jaete fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Feb 10, 2024 |
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PurpleXVI posted:I don't really buy the "hope of being open to peace"-thing because as far as I can tell the Russian population by and large don't want peace, they want victory, so I don't get why Putin would care about that distant minority. The vast majority of the Russian population don't give a poo poo about victory either, they just want eggs and gas to cost less again. Talking to an American journalist keeps up the hope that Putin (and only Putin) can strike some sort of deal with the United States and things will soon return to normal.
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Alchenar posted:See Sam Greene (above). One bit is messing with US politics. Another bit is balancing the fact that he just banned the only anti-war candidate from standing in the Russian elections so he needs to throw some hint of hope to his people of being open to peace, even if he totally isn't. Does this suggest that there are issues in motion in Russian that Putin feels he has to address, even indirectly? I haven't been following the Russian reaction to the war, but the failed coup and subsequent assassination just made me assume that his grip on Russian governance had been even further tightened in the aftermath. Why would it matter if Russians believe he is open to peace?
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Grip it and rip it posted:lol maybe the secret of how to win in Ukraine is buried somewhere in the archives in Moscow. loving bookworm dweeb b***** “In the 11th century the boyars of Muscovy-“ “No one gives a gently caress about any of that. They give a gently caress about Deez”
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But Mr President sir have you heard the story of Prince Bofa?
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Grip it and rip it posted:Does this suggest that there are issues in motion in Russian that Putin feels he has to address, even indirectly?
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Grip it and rip it posted:Does this suggest that there are issues in motion in Russian that Putin feels he has to address, even indirectly? I haven't been following the Russian reaction to the war, but the failed coup and subsequent assassination just made me assume that his grip on Russian governance had been even further tightened in the aftermath. Why would it matter if Russians believe he is open to peace? As jaete put it, a key way Putin's regime manages dissent is to constantly send out signals in all directions to the effect of 'oh yeah Putin totally cares about this thing you care about so as long as you don't rock the boat there's a chance he'll fix things for you. You don't want to rock the boat do you?' Authoritarian regimes can't just ignore public opinion because that's how revolutions happen. They have to constantly offer a bargain with their population to stay in power. Note that this is not the same as democratic legitimacy where parties have to actively fight for your vote, these regimes are setting the bar at 'things are not so bad that they are worth taking to the streets and getting shot/gulaged for'. Putin's bargain with his people has been that if they divorce themselves from politics then he will prevent the 90's happening again. The CCP's bargain with China was prosperity, now moving very rapidly towards national revanchism. Or to put it another way, there's a really big space between 'given a free choice I would prefer x' and 'I am willing to put my life on the line for x' and these regimes have to play in that space. The thing that keeps them awake at night is that they don't actually know where that line is and one day everything can be fine and the next day cancelling a trade agreement with the EU gets you Maidan. While I'm riffing on this, this is one of those counter-intuitive things about authoritarian surveillance states - because of how they are fundamentally structured they actually tend to know less about what their people want than political parties in liberal democracies. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Feb 10, 2024 |
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From what I have read/watched regarding the average citizen's opinion on the war and Putin, apathy is what needs to be overcome. It seems no matter how bad things get they (imo) just shrug and say there's nothing anyone can do about it. Since Putin has done such a good job of purging the political landscape and shaping the domestic narrative, there's nobody left to rally the average Russian again him.
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Blistex posted:From what I have read/watched regarding the average citizen's opinion on the war and Putin, apathy is what needs to be overcome. It seems no matter how bad things get they (imo) just shrug and say there's nothing anyone can do about it. there's also the factor that no matter how bad things get they've been worse within living memory and that state is almost a constant throughout russian history
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shame on an IGA posted:there's also the factor that no matter how bad things get they've been worse within living memory and that state is almost a constant throughout russian history american history too!
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Blistex posted:From what I have read/watched regarding the average citizen's opinion on the war and Putin, apathy is what needs to be overcome. It seems no matter how bad things get they (imo) just shrug and say there's nothing anyone can do about it. I do honestly think it's worse than just "apathy." There's a wide swathe of Russians who hoped the war would go well so they could score seafront properties along the Sea of Azov, entirely for their own enrichment and advancement. Not like, business types hoping for new businesses in the conquered territories, but entirely "normal" people hoping they could walk in and steal some land as part of the war. Not just "oh, that sucks. well, sure hope it doesn't make things suck for me" but "oh, cool, these people are gonna die so I can go steal their poo poo  "
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PurpleXVI posted:I do honestly think it's worse than just "apathy." There's a wide swathe of Russians who hoped the war would go well so they could score seafront properties along the Sea of Azov, entirely for their own enrichment and advancement. Not like, business types hoping for new businesses in the conquered territories, but entirely "normal" people hoping they could walk in and steal some land as part of the war. Not just "oh, that sucks. well, sure hope it doesn't make things suck for me" but "oh, cool, these people are gonna die so I can go steal their poo poo JFC. That's something you would expect to hear Dan Carlin talking about in his series on Rome, not present day.
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Blistex posted:JFC. That's something you would expect to hear Dan Carlin talking about in his series on Rome, not present day. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-66393949 quote:The Russians hunting for cheap flats in occupied Mariupol Absolutely ghoulish poo poo, in my opinion.
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I would buy a vacation home in Crimea once it was no longer an occupied territory.
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M_Gargantua posted:I would buy a vacation home in Crimea once it was no longer an occupied territory. I wouldn't since this poo poo is probably going to keep happening.
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PurpleXVI posted:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-66393949 So you could say they're trying to get more, uh, room, for... living. There's probably some kind of pithy historical term for that kind of thing.
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Jesus, how bad are things in Russia if people are moving to Mariupol right now?
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Subjunctive posted:Jesus, how bad are things in Russia if people are moving to Mariupol right now? They don't know what happened there. All they know is that there are brand new apartments to move into in a more temperate clime on the Sea of Azov and that they'll be doing their part to reclaim the glory of Russia.
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Blistex posted:JFC. That's something you would expect to hear Dan Carlin talking about in his series on Rome, not present day. I mean, it's hardly the only major conflict right now where that's a thing.
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Even if I were utterly soulless I imagine I would still wait until the war ended to move my family into occupied territory. Speculating on rental properties or whatever, sure. I still don't think I'm into gambling that hard, but I can at least understand people who are. Moving your goddamn kids into a warzone, though???
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I can understand if someone doesn't care what happened to the previous Ukrainian homeowner. Maybe I can understand taking the risk near warzone. But what I don't understand is where is the famous Russian cynicism? Where did Vladimir find the trust to apparently sell his home and by one from Mariupol without seeing it with his own eyes. Or those volunteer soldiers that should not have been surprised when they were sent to the frontlines instead of the promised rearguard.
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PurpleXVI posted:I do honestly think it's worse than just "apathy." There's a wide swathe of Russians who hoped the war would go well so they could score seafront properties along the Sea of Azov, entirely for their own enrichment and advancement. Not like, business types hoping for new businesses in the conquered territories, but entirely "normal" people hoping they could walk in and steal some land as part of the war. Not just "oh, that sucks. well, sure hope it doesn't make things suck for me" but "oh, cool, these people are gonna die so I can go steal their poo poo Then again, the stripper that A1C Jackass married is probably the same way.
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Jimmy Smuts posted:From what I've been reading and seeing, this type of thinking might be ingrained into the culture. For example, I keep seeing accounts of Russian wives of deployed soldiers not really giving a poo poo about much other than money, land, and material items, even when their husband is a POW communicating with them via their Ukrainian captors. The marriage in both cases lasts for only a month but for different reasons.
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I remember the one POW interview they made where not even the interrogators could convince the POWs mom to give a poo poo about her son. All she wanted to know was "is you smartphone safe? Your granddad gave you that smartphone and he'll never forgive you if you damage or, god forbid, lose it." You could just see the looks of sympathy growing on the faces of the interrogators as the prisoner sits there and nods with his depressed "yup, that's my ma" body language.
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SerthVarnee posted:I remember the one POW interview they made where not even the interrogators could convince the POWs mom to give a poo poo about her son. All she wanted to know was "is you smartphone safe? Your granddad gave you that smartphone and he'll never forgive you if you damage or, god forbid, lose it." The mom hearing her son's voice and realizing that he was still alive and instantly getting angry that the death payments were going to stop and she couldn't afford the new phone she was financing was similar.
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https://x.com/IlyaMatveev_/status/1756774342820839428?s=20 On the plus side, maybe it's a sign that Russia is running low on cannon fodder...
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