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Phenotype posted:Okay, this is one area where I have to go to bat for American exceptionalism. MM/DD/YYYY makes more sense. There is a lot of intrinisic information that's conveyed in knowing the month that you don't get if you're putting the day up front. If it's May 5th, then you can glance down and see 05/DD/YYYY and immediately know it's happening in the next few weeks. If you see 12/DD/YYYY, you know that it's not gonna happen for a while, and that you'll probably want to wear a coat. Whereas if you're seeing the day first, then you don't have any useful information unless you keep reading -- you'll see 05/MM/YYYY and won't be sure if it's happening today or not. joepinetree posted:all i can say is lol. Episode was alright.
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all i hear is a lot of cope from europeans and european sympathizers who cant figure out a reason im wrong e: didn't they have to program in something special into spreadsheet programs so when you guys sort by date you don't get a ridiculous list where events on December 2nd show up before events on January 8th?
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the difference in dates rule because in a depiction of ww2 you get to see a nazi get shot in the face
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Feb 10, 2024 01:31
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I can't complain if americans being dumb means more dead nazis. Same I can't fault Guarnere too much for lighting up that horse patrol.
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Feb 10, 2024 01:46
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Joe he don't even drink! drat Quakers...
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Lampsacus posted:the difference in dates rule because in a depiction of ww2 you get to see a nazi get shot in the face The German brain knows it's so stupid it can't let the fine motor control save it's life.
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Feb 10, 2024 01:57
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Arc Hammer posted:Joe he don't even drink! drat Quakers... "Shut your loving trap, Gonorrhea" "He's alright, that kid"
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Feb 10, 2024 02:18
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Watched the episode. The comparison to the Australia episode of The Pacific is apt, but I think this was a much stronger episode of TV than that one. I quite enjoyed it, especially in how it depicted the way that the war follows people around even when they're on leave or behind the lines (which I think was the downside to the Pacific episode since it really didn't touch on that side of things).
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Feb 10, 2024 02:29
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I agree, it did give us a view of what the war was like for the normal people of England. I assume the England we saw in BoB was more rural, so less likely to get bombed like London would be. Though it does seem weird that they'd get a 2 day pass to London, where they could end up dead from a German bomb vs staying on base that isn't getting bombed. It was a drastic difference compared to the Australia episode where they were out of the fight so it's just them living their lives and also there's some American Marines in town.
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It would be so hard to go back to war after chillin for a few days.
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The National WW2 Museum has a podcast going for the show, 3 episodes out so far. Tommy Hanks is the first episode. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfTt9Iv9fryUbTNMDBHeWQ1D9FxZ7YDKl
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Feb 10, 2024 03:56
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XnvlmcBiAk This guy basically goes into way more detail than any sane person would care about re: what they got wrong in episode 3. Which I appreciate.
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Feb 10, 2024 04:54
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I dunno he seemed overall pretty positive about the depiction and most of his issues were with errors in the CGI models for the gun barrels and the overly simplistic gunsights
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Feb 10, 2024 05:20
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I just realized that the bombing of the Messerschmidt plant was like all the baby Messerschmidts swarming the bombers for attacking their mother. Really makes u think.
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Cojawfee posted:I just realized that the bombing of the Messerschmidt plant was like all the baby Messerschmidts swarming the bombers for attacking their mother. Really makes u think. Kurt Tank probably leaked the location to the allies.
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XYZAB posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XnvlmcBiAk Luckily it seems like these are all effects mistakes. I assume they had experts on the sets to make sure the actors were doing things correctly for the time, and maybe the effects people didn't have that as much. But they could likely fix these things in 20 years when the show gets remastered for 8k or whatever. They could re-render the gun barrels without the sight posts and the K3 gunsight could just have the filter and the range finder sight added in.
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So what was the big deal with the Norden bombsight? I was watching the third episode again while I was doing chores, and the bombardier even made a big thing about it when they were lightening the plane, he was all pissed they had to throw his baby overboard. I can't tell what it's actually doing, though. I mean, okay, the guy seems to be lining up his little target on the buildings below, but how that all relates to a bunch of bombs falling haphazardly out of the doors I don't understand.
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Phenotype posted:So what was the big deal with the Norden bombsight? I was watching the third episode again while I was doing chores, and the bombardier even made a big thing about it when they were lightening the plane, he was all pissed they had to throw his baby overboard. I can't tell what it's actually doing, though. I mean, okay, the guy seems to be lining up his little target on the buildings below, but how that all relates to a bunch of bombs falling haphazardly out of the doors I don't understand. The Norden bomb sight is an analog computer that is able to take the plane's altitude, speed, and side slip into account and point directly at where it thinks the bombs will hit when released. When going for a bombing run, the bombardier has control over the plane via the autopilot. He can point the plane where it needs to be and even fly the plane on a parallel path to the target to account for wind all while the bomb sight stays pointed where the bombs should hit. He waits until the target gets to the crosshairs of the bomb sight and releases the bombs and they hopefully land where they are supposed to. It wasn't as accurate as Norden claimed it was, but it was very advanced and did a decent job. Here is a training video about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=143vi97a4tY Cojawfee fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Feb 10, 2024 |
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XYZAB posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XnvlmcBiAk This is basically a vindication of what the show has presented, saying only that they got some of the attachments to the tips of the barrels wrong
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Phenotype posted:Okay, this is one area where I have to go to bat for American exceptionalism. MM/DD/YYYY makes more sense. There is a lot of intrinisic information that's conveyed in knowing the month that you don't get if you're putting the day up front. If it's May 5th, then you can glance down and see 05/DD/YYYY and immediately know it's happening in the next few weeks. If you see 12/DD/YYYY, you know that it's not gonna happen for a while, and that you'll probably want to wear a coat. Whereas if you're seeing the day first, then you don't have any useful information unless you keep reading -- you'll see 05/MM/YYYY and won't be sure if it's happening today or not. This is correct, and history has shown that anyone who does it any other way should be shot in the head. So maybe get on board, folks.
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I thought this was a pretty good episode, though I did come in expecting it to be quieter than the others so far. The fakeout with Buck's death doesn't really have much of an emotional impact, but hopefully it'll lead to some more interesting character development. One notable thing was that with the exception of a few dodgy shots of the crew in Africa at the very beginning, the CGI and compositing was overall way better in this episode--the whole sequence with fixing the magneto while taxiing looked way better than some earlier sequences.
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MrMojok posted:The coach/gametime/players going down codetalk or analogy didn’t work either, for me. That exchange was straight from the book/real life for what it's worth.
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Spoilers So if Buck was shot down this week and Bucky is shot down in the next episode are they gonna follow them through their time at Stalag Luft III for the rest of the series and keep them as the focus characters? With the attrition that the 100th Bomb Group endures is there anyone notable who will take over as the lead POV character for the air sequences?
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Phenotype posted:So what was the big deal with the Norden bombsight? I was watching the third episode again while I was doing chores, and the bombardier even made a big thing about it when they were lightening the plane, he was all pissed they had to throw his baby overboard. I can't tell what it's actually doing, though. I mean, okay, the guy seems to be lining up his little target on the buildings below, but how that all relates to a bunch of bombs falling haphazardly out of the doors I don't understand. The bombsight was a highly secretive development as well that that was thought to give American bombers a huge advantage, so there was a big deal about not letting it fall into enemy hands.
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..accounts like this (from the 398th website) where they make it through a horrific mission and then almost get got the next day by a V1 while on leave in London are just   .  My mom's uncle was a B-17 ball turret gunner in the 398th, 602 squadron who died over Belgium on his 17th mission in late Oct 1944 when the plane was torn in half by flak. Only the radioman survived (POW). 
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Chair In A Basket posted:This is correct, and history has shown that anyone who does it any other way should be shot in the head. So maybe get on board, folks. I know this show doesn't show the RAF in the best light but this still seems a bit harsh.
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That guy wasn't actually a German. Everyone knows that when you expose a nazi, they get really angry and start screaming and calling people swine.
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feedmegin posted:I know this show doesn't show the RAF in the best light but this still seems a bit harsh. Leave the RAF alone, they are happy shooting .303 at armour plating. It'll work eventually.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfsUZKWcVww If anyone's interested in some more Band of Brothers actors talking about stuff.
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Stegosnaurlax posted:Leave the RAF alone, they are happy shooting .303 at armour plating. It'll work eventually. Just use more of them! 
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Vampire Panties posted:Just use more of them! Let's put 12 .303s in the wings of a hurricane. Let's put 2 40mm bofors on a hurricane. Lets put a 20mm cannon in sideways on a hurricane what do you mean they keep jamming when they're mounted sideways.
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Cojawfee posted:But they could likely fix these things in 20 years when the show gets remastered for 8k or whatever. They could re-render the gun barrels without the sight posts and the K3 gunsight could just have the filter and the range finder sight added in. This is 1000% not going to happen, they're just going to re-do the CGI with the exact same mistakes and add all new mistakes of their own. When they remastered From the Earth to the Moon I thought to myself "I wonder if they'll fix the CG mistake that one of the fx guys fessed up to in an online chat back in 1998." When the retrorocket package on Alan Shepard's flight fired in the first episode, the CG showed all three firing at once when in reality they fired sequentially. In the new CG, they still fire all at once. And then it shows the spacecraft falling back towards the coast of Florida instead of the middle of the Atlantic. They also modeled the spacecraft off the one at the Udvar-Hazy annex of the Air and Space Museum, which has an extended duration consumables kit attached to the retrorocket package that was never used on any Mercury flight. Also in several of the shots showing the Earth from the moon, they made an utterly incomprehensible error where the terminator crosses the surface going east/west instead of north/south. Daytime in North America, nighttime in South America. Just... what? McNally fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Feb 11, 2024 |
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I don't know what it is but this show is really doing it for me.
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Laterite posted:I don't know what it is but this show is really doing it for me.
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Keyser_Soze posted:..accounts like this (from the 398th website) where they make it through a horrific mission and then almost get got the next day by a V1 while on leave Am I reading that last bit correctly that the Americans lost 41 bombers and 28 fighters and the Germans lost 208 fighters? Why such a big difference?
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D-Pad posted:Am I reading that last bit correctly that the Americans lost 41 bombers and 28 fighters and the Germans lost 208 fighters? Why such a big difference? Germans were sending everyone up, by 1944 their pilot training was a joke and by november they had more planes than pilots. The escorts did their job too, and probably hit a shitload on the ground. People tend to forget they were fighting a two front war, and the Luftwaffe was having a oval office of a time on the Eastern front too.
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A big problem for the Germans (and the Japanese) was that they had their pilots flying until they got killed. Which means a lot of pilots racked up and impressive number of kills, with a lot of German aces scoring 80-100+ victories. But that means they were flying missions, not training other pilots. American pilots would get a few victories and then would be rotated out to go back and train newer pilots on what they had learned. Check out the list of WWII aces for Germany and the US. A bunch of people in Germany have tens of victories with some with over 100. The Americans have 5-10, with some getting over 20 and I think Richard Bong was the highest with 40. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_aces_from_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_aces_from_the_United_States
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There is also an issue of overclaiming kills. It's not as if there was a way to separate who was shooting at whom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schweinfurt%E2%80%93Regensburg_mission#Results_and_losses quote:Spitfire pilots claimed 13 German fighters shot down and P-47 pilots claimed 19.[20][note 4][note 5] Gunners on the bombers claimed 288 fighters shot down,[24][note 6] but Luftwaffe records showed only 25 to 27 were lost.
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joepinetree posted:There is also an issue of overclaiming kills. It's not as if there was a way to separate who was shooting at whom. Yeah to double down on this, you cannot trust kill counts claimed by pilots of the time, they are always wildly inaccurate as we can see postwar when we get to see the opposite side's loss records. It's the same reason the Luftwaffe thought Britain must be down to its last few dozen fighters and were on the verge of victory earlier on in the Battle of Britain and oops no turns out there's lots left still.
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