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Cimber posted:When was the last time the election _wasn't_ the Most Important Election in the History of Democracy (tm, all rights reserved) All elections are important, but I have never seen one in my lifetime where it was so obvious that the choice stood between normality and chaos. Democracy and fascism. For fucks sake, this shouldn't be that hard. Vote for Biden to stop the bleeding now, and then find a good candidate for 2028.
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Bwee posted:It is astonishing how poll after poll shows that most disillusionment with Democrats comes from people thinking they're too far left (which is absurd). It really shows how SA and Twitter are bubbles. That's largely a function of the current state of our two party system. Our two parties are currently Right Wing Lunatics Moving Ever Rightward and Everyone Else. So of course all the Never Trump refugees, Blue Dog Democrats, and Problem Solvers aren't happy that Joe Biden is to the left of the Obama guy they hated for being a Liberal Socialist. Meanwhile everyone to the left of moderates are getting at least some things they like out of Joe Brandon. cdc posted:All elections are important, but I have never seen one in my lifetime where it was so obvious that the choice stood between normality and chaos. Democracy and fascism. This one and the last two elections have been the exact same choice. If you really want to alter the bend of history you need to go back and get Gore elected in 2000. Of course then Al Gore is responsible for the Great Recession, but we probably aren't in forever wars and we have 2 more seats on the Supreme Court. We being non-fascists. I don't believe those Justices would be super awesome everything you ever wanted for most people here. Gyges fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Feb 11, 2024 |
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Eletriarnation posted:1996? That one seemed pretty chill to me, all things considered. Probably 1996, yes. Not because it wouldn't have been really bad if Newt Gingrich's Contract with America Republican majority had gotten a trifecta, but because the election was never really looking that close that time. And curiously enough, the answer to the question is the same whether you interpret the question in the sarcastic "Hurr, the way electoralists always insist it is to vote-scold you!" sense or in the "Full hindsight, results of the election and its aftermath seen years in retrospect" sense because the people saying it were as bang-on right every time even when I laughed at it.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The new Twitter/X CEO just testified that Twitter saw a 6x increase in child sexual content after Musk took over, but that they also have increased the number of accounts banned for child sexual content by 6x. the amount of scambots on the site have increased to an utterly insane degree to where its nigh unusable (right up there with FB)
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Feb 11, 2024 04:48
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cdc posted:All elections are important, but I have never seen one in my lifetime where it was so obvious that the choice stood between normality and chaos. Democracy and fascism. Bill Clinton is younger than Trump and Biden.
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I'm not sure I see what your point is, are you saying we should write in Bill? He already got two terms, he can't go again.
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Cimber posted:Bill Clinton is younger than Trump and Biden. Last time most people who couldn't stand either of those two wanted someone even older so I'm skeptical that many people actually consider the age thing a deal-breaker.
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Cimber posted:Bill Clinton is younger than Trump and Biden. That kinda fucks with me because man, he looks like poo poo
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Professor Beetus posted:That kinda fucks with me because man, he looks like poo poo Biden and Trump both don't drink. This is genuinely probably a big factor.
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Discendo Vox posted:Biden and Trump both don't drink. This is genuinely probably a big factor. You're probably right about that. All of them have a history of eating ultra-processed food, but Clinton is the only one among them who drinks alcohol. Hadn't really thought about that much, but it does make sense.
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B B posted:You're probably right about that. All of them have a history of eating ultra-processed food, but Clinton is the only one among them who drinks alcohol. Hadn't really thought about that much, but it does make sense. He also had double bypass a few years ago after a heart attack. I'm also sure he's not covered in makeup like the other two are.
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Killer robot posted:Last time most people who couldn't stand either of those two wanted someone even older so I'm skeptical that many people actually consider the age thing a deal-breaker. I think the idea was less the actual age and more the cognitive effects that are assumed to be age-related. Don't want to reignite anything, just saying that was the rationale from what I saw.
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Joe and Donny also don't smoke while Bill at least used to smoke cigars. That's possibly even more aging than the alcohol.
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Cimber posted:Bill Clinton is younger than Trump and Biden. Yeah, I'd love a third term for Bubba (mostly because I'm old and want the 90's back), but there's this bitch 22nd amendment. Oh well, maybe the god emperor Trump can fix that.
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it's a sad commentary on the state of US (and world) politics that Donald Trump is the harm reduction candidate in 2024, particularly for foreign policy
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cdc posted:Yeah, I'd love a third term for Bubba (mostly because I'm old and want the 90's back), but there's this bitch 22nd amendment. Bill Clinton was the worst Democratic President of my lifetime. Give me Sleepy Joe instead 10 out of 10 times.
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Gyges posted:Bill Clinton was the worst Democratic President of my lifetime. Give me Sleepy Joe instead 10 out of 10 times. I was born at the very end of Nixon, so barely remembered Jimmy. Next for me would be Bubba, then Obama and now Biden. So yeah, in the past 50 years Bubba was the worst of them.
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Senate Cum Dump posted:it's a sad commentary on the state of US (and world) politics that Donald Trump is the harm reduction candidate in 2024, particularly for foreign policy This looks like bait, but for anyone curious about the numbers, Trump surpassed all 8 years of Obama's drone strikes in the first 2 years of his presidency while Biden's don't even register on the chart.
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Senate Cum Dump posted:it's a sad commentary on the state of US (and world) politics that Donald Trump is the harm reduction candidate in 2024, particularly for foreign policy Oh yes Donald "let's move the American embassy in Israel to Jerusalem" Trump is the one who is going to bring peace to the Middle East.
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Gyges posted:Bill Clinton was the worst Democratic President of my lifetime. Give me Sleepy Joe instead 10 out of 10 times. Can't really argue on the actual political stuff there. But, dude... the 90's. Grunge, the Cold War was over and Russia were briefly cool guys, the Internet and computers were still fun, and not this social media hell scape we have today. I had this really cool hoodie with a psyko cowboy guy on it, and an earring, and.. and... ok, grandpa is gonna shut up now.
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Number of drone strikes is hardly the only or most important metric for judging a president's foreign policy. I would point instead towards Biden's saber-rattling toward China and Russia--quite a bit more than saber rattling you could argue, but ratcheting up tensions in general. Also, y'know, the genocide in Gaza. There's no guarantee that Trump would be all that much better but given his interest in making "deals" I think he might be more open to sending Jared Kushner to work with the Saudis and pressure Netanyahu into a ceasefire. I'm not advocating anyone vote for Trump. There's a difference between not voting for Biden and actively voting for Trump. However, I think having a disinterested isolationist clown in charge might be better than a China hawk and rabid Zionist, at least for foreign policy.
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Yeah, Trump never did anything to rile up China. No attempts at a trade war or blaming them for a pandemic from that guy. Plus Jared will totally bring Peace to all the Middle East this time.
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And certainly not trying to get mucked into a trade war with Canada of all the damned things.
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Senate Cum Dump posted:Also, y'know, the genocide in Gaza. There's no guarantee that Trump would be all that much better but given his interest in making "deals" I think he might be more open to sending Jared Kushner to work with the Saudis and pressure Netanyahu into a ceasefire. Senate Cum Dump posted:There's a difference between not voting for Biden and actively voting for Trump. Senate Cum Dump posted:However, I think having a disinterested isolationist clown in charge might be better than a China hawk and rabid Zionist, at least for foreign policy.
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Senate Cum Dump posted:Number of drone strikes is hardly the only or most important metric for judging a president's foreign policy. I would point instead towards Biden's saber-rattling toward China and Russia--quite a bit more than saber rattling you could argue, but ratcheting up tensions in general. Also, y'know, the genocide in Gaza. There's no guarantee that Trump would be all that much better but given his interest in making "deals" I think he might be more open to sending Jared Kushner to work with the Saudis and pressure Netanyahu into a ceasefire. Trump assassinated an Iranian general, specifically one who was considered to be a hero in their country. The only reason things didn't escalate further is because Iran had incredible restraint and bombed some of our bases, but didn't kill anyone
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Senate Cum Dump posted:Number of drone strikes is hardly the only or most important metric for judging a president's foreign policy. I would point instead towards Biden's saber-rattling toward China and Russia--quite a bit more than saber rattling you could argue, but ratcheting up tensions in general. Also, y'know, the genocide in Gaza. There's no guarantee that Trump would be all that much better but given his interest in making "deals" I think he might be more open to sending Jared Kushner to work with the Saudis and pressure Netanyahu into a ceasefire. Trump literally bombed an Iranian higher up and Iran was the restrained party there. There's also betraying the Kurds. Also Trump has been promising to actually send America in to show Israel how to really genocide the Gazans.
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Senate Cum Dump posted:Number of drone strikes is hardly the only or most important metric for judging a president's foreign policy. I would point instead towards Biden's saber-rattling toward China and Russia--quite a bit more than saber rattling you could argue, but ratcheting up tensions in general. Also, y'know, the genocide in Gaza. There's no guarantee that Trump would be all that much better but given his interest in making "deals" I think he might be more open to sending Jared Kushner to work with the Saudis and pressure Netanyahu into a ceasefire. Yes, you can also measure by civilian deaths from American military operations, which are also much lower under Biden. Trump laid the foundation for the October 7 attack with his numerous dumb moves like moving the embassy to Jerusalem, recognizing the Golan Heights, and egging on the settlers. This attack led to the war in Gaza, which Trump would not and could not have stopped (and which he helped start). Not sure what "saber rattling" is going on with China, but there's a separate genocide happening there with the Uighurs for years now, so you should find your nearest Chinese embassy to protest. If you're referring to America arming Taiwan, yes, that's a great policy to protect one of the most important and democratic countries from an authoritarian oppressor. The US should saber rattle vs Russia and arm Ukraine to the teeth. Not sure what you're getting at here, as stopping Russia prevents even more war and bloodshed. You're not making any sense here.
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Senate Cum Dump posted:Number of drone strikes is hardly the only or most important metric for judging a president's foreign policy. I would point instead towards Biden's saber-rattling toward China and Russia--quite a bit more than saber rattling you could argue, but ratcheting up tensions in general. Also, y'know, the genocide in Gaza. There's no guarantee that Trump would be all that much better but given his interest in making "deals" I think he might be more open to sending Jared Kushner to work with the Saudis and pressure Netanyahu into a ceasefire. You're aware Russia is currently invading a sovereign nation, and that the US is currently the only thing blocking China from considering a similar invasion of a sovereign nation? What makes Biden's foreign policy with regards to Russia and China sabre rattling? Maybe some sabres should be rattled a little harder actually?
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Cimber posted:When was the last time the election _wasn't_ the Most Important Election in the History of Democracy (tm, all rights reserved) National elections are, by nature, always going to be important. There's never going to be a year where no one will be hurt by the worse guy becoming president. Senate Cum Dump posted:Number of drone strikes is hardly the only or most important metric for judging a president's foreign policy. I would point instead towards Biden's saber-rattling toward China and Russia--quite a bit more than saber rattling you could argue, but ratcheting up tensions in general. Also, y'know, the genocide in Gaza. There's no guarantee that Trump would be all that much better but given his interest in making "deals" I think he might be more open to sending Jared Kushner to work with the Saudis and pressure Netanyahu into a ceasefire. He sent Kushner to go work with the Saudis to come up with an Israel/Palestine deal back during his first term, and the results were laughable. It was the worst deal offered to Palestinians in the last few decades. Instead of pressing for the Israelis to make concessions in return for Palestinian concessions, he basically just tried to straight-up bribe the Palestinians into accepting Israel's demands in return for basically jack poo poo. Turns out Mr. Art Of The Deal sucks at dealmaking! You're making a very important mistake here: Trump is not an isolationist! He loves hawkish policies and war, he just wants to target different countries than the rest of the US political class does. He engaged in a bunch of brinksmanship and threats against China, and he loved bombing Middle Eastern terrorists. His Israel/Palestine peace plan demanded the removal of Hamas from political power, as well as their complete disarmament. He didn't want to fight against Russia, but that doesn't mean he's an isolationist.
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I mean if you define "harm reduction" as "speed up the genocides in Ukraine and Israel and let China invade whoever it wants" then sure Trump's definitely the harm reduction candidate.
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Why does he hate China so much anyway? I thought they gave Team Trump a shitload of trademarks and poo poo which should have made them A+ good people for giving him stuff for free.
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Gyges posted:Why does he hate China so much anyway? I thought they gave Team Trump a shitload of trademarks and poo poo which should have made them A+ good people for giving him stuff for free.
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Gyges posted:Why does he hate China so much anyway? I thought they gave Team Trump a shitload of trademarks and poo poo which should have made them A+ good people for giving him stuff for free. Because he's trying to pretend that he move manufacturing jobs back to the US.
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Gyges posted:Why does he hate China so much anyway? I thought they gave Team Trump a shitload of trademarks and poo poo which should have made them A+ good people for giving him stuff for free. He's big on trade war, and the US imports a bunch of stuff from China. He wanted to renegotiate all US trade agreements to make them more favorable to the US, but he doesn't actually understand the concept of negotiation, so he'd just blindly demand better conditions for nothing in return, and then if that didn't work he'd start spouting threats and engaging in brinksmanship.
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The Donald the Dove talk reappears only for Trump to: “Former President Donald Trump on Saturday said he would encourage Russia to do “whatever the hell they want” to any NATO member country that doesn’t meet spending guidelines on defense in a stunning admission he would not abide by the collective-defense clause at the heart of the alliance if reelected. https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/10/politics/trump-russia-nato/index.html
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cdc posted:So do you want a somewhat reasonable and normal president (that has some serious flaws) or do you want the full on fascist orange rear end in a top hat? I wouldn't call someone who supports Israel as they are running what could be considered a genocidal campaign in Gaza to be somewhat reasonable. I want to stress that your post: cdc posted:If you live in a swing state and don't vote for Biden, you should feel very, very bad about yourself. is incredibly ignorant and inconsiderate. There are many Arab and Muslim Americans in Michigan that are directly affected by the genocidal campaign in Gaza as we speak. Their friends and families in Gaza are being displaced, maimed, and killed. They want Biden to call for a ceasefire, but he refuses to, so they are saying that they won't vote for him in November. You are saying that they should feel very, very bad about themselves because they refuse to vote for Biden who continues to support Israel while they continue their genocidal campaign in Gaza.
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theCalamity posted:I wouldn't call someone who supports Israel as they are running what could be considered a genocidal campaign in Gaza to be somewhat reasonable. Do you think Trump would be better on this issue? Do you think Trump would be better on any other issues? Once again, this is a binary choice. Biden or Trump. You don't get to sit in your little bubble and hope that a magical left wing wizard comes in and rescues you. You have to choose. Biden or Trump. Right loving now. And yes it's a poo poo sandwich, but that's what grown ups sometimes have to do. We don't get everything we want and most of the time we do have to choose the lesser of two evils. Suck it up and do what is right.
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cdc posted:Do you think Trump would be better on this issue? Is your goal to actually get people to vote for Biden? I doubt your approach will get people to vote for Biden. The condescension isn't convincing and would most likely have people react negatively to it. A much better approach would be to listen to them and support them in trying to get Biden to earn their vote. One's response to those saying that they don't want to vote for Biden because of his support for Israel shouldn't be "but Trump" or "it's what grown ups have to do," it should be, what can I do to convince Biden to change his position? Empathize with them. Show some solidarity
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