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Grozz Nuy posted:If you sit him for two years you're wasting two seasons of his rookie deal. Anybody who needs to sit for that long just isn't that good of a prospect. I get the cap argument. We literally have it right now with mr irrelevant and the highest paid and best qb (who was taking a discount but got his contract adjusted to be ahead of Chris Jones in yearly pay). But what about the fact that all the best QBs sat a year? https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...likely-succeed/ I would almost sit my rookie QB for a year just to get that good juju going. If you check that chart it's insane how many of the top qbs sat for at least a year. And Jordache love looks like he's going to be a member of the "sat for at least a year and became great" group NFL offense is hard and it really seems to help guys processing to participate in practice and be mentored a little bit before setting off. the day 1 starters are not a happy group
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Grozz Nuy posted:If you sit him for two years you're wasting two seasons of his rookie deal. Anybody who needs to sit for that long just isn't that good of a prospect. For any prospect other than QB, sure. For a QB. I extremely disagree. That position is too important that if you think someone has the "thing" to play it at the NFL level but does have some things they need to clean up and fix with bench time while a vet plays. The rookie contract stuff is a cool bonus. But like what's more important is finding that dude. Not to mention that by drafting him in the first vs drafting one in the second and later you get an extra year of cheap control.
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Feb 11, 2024 11:20
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People overate the rookie deal stuff. It’s good obviously but you can’t build your entire team around that idea. That only works in hindsight
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Feb 11, 2024 11:30
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The QB on a rookie deal poo poo is stuff the Bears are going through right now. And it's been infuriating and a copout. When people go on about resetting the QB contract and the value of a QB on a rookie deal all they are saying is that they don't think the current QB is worth paying, but trying to be nice and not wanting to say on wax that the current QB just hasn't been good enough to pay. Which is actually what's going on.
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Feb 11, 2024 11:45
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Grozz Nuy posted:If you sit him for two years you're wasting two seasons of his rookie deal. Anybody who needs to sit for that long just isn't that good of a prospect. Oh, is that so?
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Feb 11, 2024 15:50
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the one real red flag guy like that was trey lance who it was obvious needed to sit for multiple years and learn a lot, and importantly he did not do so. trey had to either play, be ready to play, or rehab from injury more often than anything else. not counting garbage time or maybe one game at most, if a first round qb sits more than one full season, his peers since 2000 are rivers, pennington, grossman, and rodgers. if you stretched it a little bit you can include jordan love. more than anything the circumstances that bring the idea to fruition almost never happen. there isn't much to say the sitting part is a red flag
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Feb 11, 2024 16:46
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The Packers need to draft Isaiah Davis.
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Mahomes? I guess Mahomes played a garbage time game, but that's within the spirit of sitting imo. It's usually because Teams do not have the institutional constitution to actually realize it means you might need to sign a vet backup, and have 3 qb's on the roster, or to withstand fan and ownership pressure, if things aren't going well with the starter. Also not playing in year one due to injury is a bit different.
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Feb 11, 2024 17:01
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It’s just so fun to see Allen in the Week 2-8 starter list and then see our good friend Losman in the Year 2 starter list. The true duality of Bills.
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Feb 11, 2024 17:03
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There's no one way to develop a QB
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Feb 11, 2024 17:06
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Actually, adjusting it. It's less that you have to be willing to sit them, it's more if you do start them, you have to have the leeway from management and ownership to be willing to not win, and let them make mistakes and find their limits. While continuing to drill in process over results. With QB's who need like mechanical adjustments or other things that they would get benefits from sitting and just reworking things.
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Feb 11, 2024 17:06
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a neat cape posted:There's no one way to develop a QB Yes, there is. The Packer Way.
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Feb 11, 2024 17:07
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The correct way to develop a QB is to play them a year, dump them , then move onto the next one
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mahomes sat 1 year and i didn't want to bother having someone come back and say, "i didn't say 1 year"
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Yes, there is. Going by Rodgers and Favre, this is basically just sending them to read 4chan?
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Coldforge posted:Going by Rodgers and Favre, this is basically just sending them to read 4chan? Ehh, more like the depths of Conservative 4chan.
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Coldforge posted:Going by Rodgers and Favre, this is basically just sending them to read 4chan? Favre couldn't read a defense, you think he could read 4chan?
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A Sneaker Broker posted:The Packers need to draft Isaiah Davis. finally got around to watching some film on him, and ehhhhh? Don't hate him, don't love him. I was expecting more power for a guy that slow. I have him down in the 10-12 range of RBs.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:The Packers need to draft Isaiah Davis. I'm a little concerned about how much use he got in college. On the running back front, someone I've been looking at is Marshawn Lloyd from USC, I think he could be picked up in the 4th or 5th. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr94sngSmkc He slips through contact in a way that reminds me of Aaron Jones. Obviously much less graceful than AJ. Decent enough catcher too.
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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:finally got around to watching some film on him, and ehhhhh? Don't hate him, don't love him. I was expecting more power for a guy that slow. I have him down in the 10-12 range of RBs. I’m trusting my gut on him. And Isaac Guerendo. SKULL.GIF posted:I'm a little concerned about how much use he got in college. On the running back front, someone I've been looking at is Marshawn Lloyd from USC, I think he could be picked up in the 4th or 5th. If you watched USC Football at all this season or ask any USC fan, they’ll tell you he has ball security issues galore. Sometimes too careless and free with the ball in his hands.
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Dejan Bimble posted:I get the cap argument. We literally have it right now with mr irrelevant and the highest paid and best qb (who was taking a discount but got his contract adjusted to be ahead of Chris Jones in yearly pay). The most valuable learning experience is real game time experience. Joe Burrow did not need to sit a year. Nor did Herbert, nor did Peyton Manning, nor did Russell Wilson, etc. And importantly, sitting probably did not help Jordan Love *that* much. Jordan Love sucked at the start of the year and he got better as he gained real time real world experience. The key is to make sure your coach and front office create a safe and growth oriented environment to foster the qb development. E: cj stroud, mvp for all future years Ornery and Hornery fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Feb 11, 2024 |
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Herbert would have benefited a lot having a season where he sat and learned how to throw a touch pass
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I like Lloyd a lot too. He does put it on the ground at an alarming rate though.
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I mean saying they did not need it is a bit counter factual. Who knows if it would have helped them along
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Metapod posted:Herbert would have benefited a lot having a season where he sat and learned how to throw a touch pass 1. Herbie is perfect 2. He could have learned how to throw a touchdown pass his rookie season if he had good coaching instead of a clusterfuck
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Watched Isaiah Davis tape. He's just okay. Not particularly fast or agile, runs too high. Goes down instantly on contact. Has a nifty spin move. Not particularly good going down the middle kinda just runs forward without a lot of shiftiness or threat to break out. He's patient though so that's good. Definitely a plus blocker since they run a ton out of shotgun and have those designed QB runs that he gets out in front of. I can definitely forsee him sticking on a team and frustrating everyone with lovely runs while a better back on the roster sits because they cant block as well.
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Love sat because they wanted to change his mechanics (and also because Rodgers started playing really well again). If there’s some specific mechanical thing that you want to fix then letting a guy sit makes sense because you just can’t do that when a guy is playing every week, they’re going to revert to old habits under pressure. If you’re just sitting them for some nebulous reason like “they’ll learn by sitting and watching” then I think you’re hindering their development because the best way to learn is to play.
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I don't think I watched a single game of Texas all year, but I keep getting distracted watching the film because what the hell is anyone doing on that defense. Why do you keep lining up Murphy as 0/1 tech and Sweat as a 3 tech? Why does Murphy leave his feat to jump a gap at the snap??? Yeah, he gets away with it sometimes but you are gonna end up on the ground in the NFL. What the hell are the linebackers doing ever?
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Love sat because they wanted to change his mechanics (and also because Rodgers started playing really well again). If there’s some specific mechanical thing that you want to fix then letting a guy sit makes sense because you just can’t do that when a guy is playing every week, they’re going to revert to old habits under pressure. To that point, Love was noticeably playing very stiffly at the beginning of the season (and preseason) and loosened up a lot as the season went on as he got more accustomed to playing with his revamped mechanics at NFL speed.
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SKULL.GIF posted:To that point, Love was noticeably playing very stiffly at the beginning of the season (and preseason) and loosened up a lot as the season went on as he got more accustomed to playing with his revamped mechanics at NFL speed. Love just needed snaps. So did the rest of the offense. But once that happened, everything started to click. Love’s footwork needed help (still does) but going forward, he’ll be great.
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Love was garbage in college whatever he learned on the bench should be an indicator that sitting is fantastic for young QBs
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Doltos posted:Love was garbage in college whatever he learned on the bench should be an indicator that sitting is fantastic for young QBs 2018 was insane. Then in 2019, he lost all but one of his starting OLine, his two excellent RB's, all his WR's except one, his OC, and his HC.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:2018 was insane. That's true. I wonder what happened to Darwin Thompson.
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Doltos posted:That's true. I wonder what happened to Darwin Thompson. He got drafted to the Chiefs. He couldn’t hold up in pass protection, fell to fourth string. Then he got cut. Made his way to the Seahawks. Still could not protect the rush for his life. He’s doing other things now.
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t's draft season.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:t's draft season. no! NO!!!!!!!
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I would like the Niners to draft offensive line and pretty much everywhere on defense but especially DBs, thanks
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Niners need safeties that understand the basic concept of inside-out play which is taught in HS but forgotten on the Super Bowl field, apparently.
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Doltos posted:Niners need safeties that understand the basic concept of inside-out play which is taught in HS but forgotten on the Super Bowl field, apparently. Niners need a Tackle.
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Doltos posted:Niners need safeties that understand the basic concept of inside-out play which is taught in HS but forgotten on the Super Bowl field, apparently. Their best safety has been on IR all year, and the other good one is a rookie.
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