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My theory is that Vince did actually love the wrestling business at first; but as he started to get more and more powerful and influential, he started to feel it was less of a challenge, and eventually came to see it as holding him back from achieving other, bigger successes (Hollywood, the political arena, etc), because no matter what he did, he'd always be viewed as "that wrestling guy". It wouldn't be the first time someone who ran a wrestling business got delusions of grandeur into their heads. I forget who it was, but when the JCP-era NWA was at its peak during the 1980s (before its eventual collapse and sale to Ted Turner), someone was talking about how Dusty Rhodes would brag about how they'd soon be looking at taking NWA wrestlers and putting them in movies and TV shows, having them record with popular musicians, etc.
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Cornwind Evil posted:There's a reason in my first effortpost I theorized that he got into the business to essentially core it out and use what he stole to go mainstream, but failed. It's also why I was so surprised when Behind The Bastards claimed that Vince actually seemed to love wrestling, embracing all its showmanship as a teenager and making up his own persona and so on. Then again, wouldn't be the first time a psychopath is a mass of contradictions. "Ape-Man McMahon" is a great name, not gonna lie. But I'd say that that was Vince 50 years ago, and he had plenty of time for his relationship with wrestling to change.
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Feb 12, 2024 18:13
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vince likes wrestling he only just likes his personal brand of bad wrestling the rock and wrestling and new generation are vince's ideal kind of wrestling and according to people like jim cornette vince would never watch anything from other federations and it would have to be explained to him why someone like mick foley or steve austin would be good for the company
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Feb 12, 2024 18:32
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even then when he was told austin was good in the ring vinces idea was to name him the ringmaster because "if he's good int he ring then he should be the ringmaster, pal!" lol
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Feb 12, 2024 18:33
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One of the funny Cornette outburt stories was McMahon, Dunn, Cornette, and some others booking a show in Canada. McMahon and Dunn wouldn't shut up about how much they loved Sable and her white cotton panties and Cornette kept bringing up how they were going to book the Patriot. Dunn finally told Cornette he finds him tiresome so Cornette flipped out and said he was going to slap the buck teeth out of his mouth. Vince made Cornette apologize and according to Corny Dunn started crying
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Feb 12, 2024 18:38
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Mulaney Power Move posted:One of the funny Cornette outburt stories was McMahon, Dunn, Cornette, and some others booking a show in Canada. McMahon and Dunn wouldn't shut up about how much they loved Sable and her white cotton panties and Cornette kept bringing up how they were going to book the Patriot. Dunn finally told Cornette he finds him tiresome so Cornette flipped out and said he was going to slap the buck teeth out of his mouth. It was more than that, he said Dunn broke down and started telling him about how he'd been bullied as a child about his teeth and so forth, to which Cornette was thinking "why don't you take some of your millions and get your drat teeth fixed, then"
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Feb 12, 2024 18:44
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yeah and now we have a good idea what he was probably taking his millions to pay for instead
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one of the rare times cornette was right lol
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Feb 12, 2024 18:47
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unlike the dairy queen incident. "YOU THINK THIS IS A GOD drat RIB WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVEN'T STARTED OUR ORDER" Jericho is in the back egging him on and giggling lol
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Feb 12, 2024 18:50
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WoodrowSkillson posted:nah i was thinking of the ending where marlo leaves the rich person party to pick a fight with some dudes. That works and then Tony Khan is clearly The Greek, right?
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Feb 12, 2024 18:51
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bucketybuck posted:He mean Stringer but he ain't know it. I see Triple H as Stringer with Nick Khan as his Clay Davis.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:unlike the dairy queen incident. "YOU THINK THIS IS A GOD drat RIB WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVEN'T STARTED OUR ORDER" jim carnie
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:vince likes wrestling he only just likes his personal brand of bad wrestling the rock and wrestling and new generation are vince's ideal kind of wrestling and according to people like jim cornette vince would never watch anything from other federations and it would have to be explained to him why someone like mick foley or steve austin would be good for the company He very famously had to be shown Asian pornography before he would consider hiring Gail Kim because he didn't understand how people could find Asian women attractive. He's just a huge piece of poo poo.
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Feb 12, 2024 19:35
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:even then when he was told austin was good in the ring vinces idea was to name him the ringmaster because "if he's good int he ring then he should be the ringmaster, pal!" lol Lol if only
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Bony-Eared Assfish posted:That works and then Tony Khan is clearly The Greek, right? i have no idea i only follow this thread for vince news and old wrestling discussion i have not watched wrestling since like 2004
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Feb 12, 2024 19:46
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MrQwerty posted:Lol if only Before his neck was broken Austin was a legit skilled wrestler What's even funnier though is that WWE fans have never cared about technical wrestling even if they say they do, and the people who got over the most during the Attitude Era were the brawlers like Austin and Foley
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Feb 12, 2024 20:45
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No I want to see the timeline where Steve Austin was THE RINGMASTER
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MrQwerty posted:No I want to see the timeline where Steve Austin was THE RINGMASTER He was. That was a thing they actually did for real.
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MrQwerty posted:No I want to see the timeline where Steve Austin was THE RINGMASTER I mean, he was for a decent stretch of time.
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MrQwerty posted:No I want to see the timeline where Steve Austin was THE RINGMASTER you can he wrestled as the ringmaster for a whole year lol
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they told vince he was a fantastic talker so vince made ted dibase his manager
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WoodrowSkillson posted:i have no idea i only follow this thread for vince news and old wrestling discussion i have not watched wrestling since like
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hardcore wwf fans will try and tell you that vince used to be a business genius that revolutionized wrestling but really its because he got really lucky and because the wrestling business is full of promoters even more incompetent than he was and he was able to destroy his competition because they were too busy stabbing each other in the back and destroying themselves
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Feb 12, 2024 21:04
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vince is unintentionally funny and that goes a long way towards inexplicable success see: most presidents
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Stopping by to say powerful thread title. Okay goodbye
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GolfHole posted:vince is unintentionally funny and that goes a long way towards inexplicable success vince and trump have a lot of common which is why they are best friends
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:hardcore wwf fans will try and tell you that vince used to be a business genius that revolutionized wrestling but really its because he got really lucky and because the wrestling business is full of promoters even more incompetent than he was and he was able to destroy his competition because they were too busy stabbing each other in the back and destroying themselves
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[guy who works for vince mcmahon]: vince mcmahon is a genius. brilliant genius. [heavily concussed pill addict on a "legends" contract]: genius. no other word for it. he mastered the "stock market" [guy who worked for Global Class World-Wide Wrestling and knows why a 20 year old Italian kid called Harry "Hot Feet" Hanson was found mysteriously dead in an alleyway in 1972]: nobody in Amarillo thought anyone could ever, ever in a million years put Fenton 'Fenny' Barber out of business. the man was untouchable. he loved cigars and anything you could snort and he always had a crying hooker in his lap when you went to get your paycheck. (laughs) that was the kind of guy the barb was! but vince... (somberly) vince put him out of business. he put all those guys out of business. Floyd Mustang, Perry Duke Perry, Ed Mott... vince beat all of 'em. jim cornette: he offered the only popular wrestler we had... who had no morals to speak of... more money. and he left! to go work for vince! I said motherfuckerrrrr... listen to me you dumb redneck son of a bitch, you're bigger'n me so I can't whup ya, but I'm gonna pick up a baseball bat, and I'll meet ya in the gaddamn parking lot
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:hardcore wwf fans will try and tell you that vince used to be a business genius that revolutionized wrestling but really its because he got really lucky and because the wrestling business is full of promoters even more incompetent than he was and he was able to destroy his competition because they were too busy stabbing each other in the back and destroying themselves Something that always stuck out when I read the two books about WCW's demise is how Eric Bischoff was a terrible choice to run WCW in the long run, but he was also somehow the best choice. WCW seemed to be doomed no matter what, but with Bischoff it was slowly bleeding out while putting anyone else in his spot caused the wound to get worse. And that's ridiculous considering all the talent they had in there. I wonder what would have happened if Paul Heyman somehow ended up in charge of WCW.
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the promoter that mixed porn stars and wrestling who sent two hitmen to kill his top babyface (not kayfabe) and they cut his thumbs off before he broke free and beat the poo poo out of them with wrestling moves until they ran away
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I don’t think Rob Black should have run WCW, TBQH.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:the promoter that mixed porn stars and wrestling who sent two hitmen to kill his top babyface (not kayfabe) and they cut his thumbs off before he broke free and beat the poo poo out of them with wrestling moves until they ran away what
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:vince and trump have a lot of common which is why they are best friends And possible half brothers
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bradzilla posted:what There’s a dark side of the ring in it. The baby face was loving the guys wife or something so he sent hit men to kill him.
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bradzilla posted:what A CERVEZA bradzilla posted:what A TEQUILA Cubone posted:[guy who works for vince mcmahon]: vince mcmahon is a genius. brilliant genius. [Kevin Nash, asked very specifically about Vince McMahon]........................................................ So about that Bunkhouse Stampede...
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Vince McMahon isn’t a GENIUS genius, but he is the ultimate con artist, which takes a bit of cunning. See also: Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones
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Cubone posted:[guy who works for vince mcmahon]: vince mcmahon is a genius. brilliant genius. lol
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:you can he wrestled as the ringmaster for a whole year lol No, I'm pretty sure by the spring they had at least begun referring to him as Stone Cold Steve Austin. Yes, I went and checked. He'd discarded it by early March. By the time King of the Ring rolled around he was wholly Stone Cold Steve Austin. So, three months or so. bradzilla posted:what After ECW died, porn company owner Rob Black tried to make a replacement, XPW. He was married to one of his company's stars, who seemingly slept around, including with XPW's main guy, "Messiah". In August 2002, he was attacked in his home by two men, and they cut off just one of his thumbs before he fought them off. Considering he said that they also tried to castrate him and they took the thumb with them, it seems very likely it wasn't a random attack, but a deliberate one that had a certain intent. They never caught the two attackers either. Rob Black is one of the few people who might be able to match Vince in being a monstrous POS, BTW.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:someone was talking about how Dusty Rhodes would brag about how they'd soon be looking at taking NWA wrestlers and putting them in movies and TV shows, having them record with popular musicians, etc. That honestly isn't as crazy as people think, I mean, Hollywood is always looking for talent that can convincingly perform some highly exaggerated fake fights, and professional wrestling is just fake fights as performance art. Hell, in Mexico, plenty of masked luchador have gone on to do their own movies. Plus, well, you know, Dwane "The friggin' Rock" Johnson is an honest to God megastar.
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also it was the 80s, part of why diamond dave left Van Halen is because he wanted the band to go on hiatus for 2 years so he could become a movie star, everyone was doing it lol
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