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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Dapper_Swindler posted:

Yeah, i didnt hear about any of that before i saw it on here. i just heard about the gun tag. i am pretty sure its a case of "woman didnt look like a model and was a criminal=trans" line of thought from chuds.

The sole source of her being "transgender" was she used a male alias once, and even that's to be expected being a modern woman looking to avoid harassment.

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Young Freud posted:

The sole source of her being "transgender" was she used a male alias once, and even that's to be expected being a modern woman looking to avoid harassment.

or one with a history of forgery!

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Edward Mass posted:

As an IK for the gambling sub-forum here on the SA Forums, I have some authority in saying that while sports gambling can be legal, it needs to be regulated like similar vices. If states can legalize recreational cannabis usage and control its distribution, they should also be able to do the same for SpendKings.

speaking of vices, if prostitution is ever legalized, I wonder what those ads will look like

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

speaking of vices, if prostitution is ever legalized, I wonder what those ads will look like

surprisingly similar to mobile game ads

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Google Jeb Bush posted:

surprisingly similar to mobile game ads

"Come now, My Lord."

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

speaking of vices, if prostitution is ever legalized, I wonder what those ads will look like

Late night TV already has "are you lonely and looking to meet up, well there are hot beautiful women just waiting to talk to you on the phone for $8.99 per minute". I imagine something like that.

Ither
Jan 30, 2010

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

speaking of vices, if prostitution is ever legalized, I wonder what those ads will look like

I wonder when the fight for legal prostitution will start in earnest. 2030? 2050?

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Ither posted:

I wonder when the fight for legal prostitution will start in earnest. 2030? 2050?

There's a solid chunk of progressives and inter-sectional feminists who of course rightly advocate for this, and have been for a while. Especially in the context in which a lot of anti-prostitution laws are like anti-weed laws, a means of providing authority/police a legal pretext to control the bodily autonomy of women.

Nervous
Jan 25, 2005

Why, hello, my little slice of pecan pie.

Madkal posted:

Late night TV already has "are you lonely and looking to meet up, well there are hot beautiful women just waiting to talk to you on the phone for $8.99 per minute". I imagine something like that.

Just another great example of Bidenflation. Those used to be $2.99/min when I was younger.

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.

Nervous posted:

Just another great example of Bidenflation. Those used to be $2.99/min when I was younger.

"No one wants to do phone sex work anymore!"

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Nervous posted:

Just another great example of Bidenflation. Those used to be $2.99/min when I was younger.

Twitch streamers are free. :colbert:

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib

Nervous posted:

Just another great example of Bidenflation. Those used to be $2.99/min when I was younger.

That's only the first 5 minutes intro rate. Now sit and listen while I think of words that rhyme with "day"

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Eric Cantonese posted:

"No one wants to do phone sex work anymore!"

idk i make a pretty good living off of it

World Famous W
May 25, 2007

BAAAAAAAAAAAA

Google Jeb Bush posted:

I've been staying out of electoralism chat and continue to do so because it is at best pointless and really should have its own thread once Koos figures out how he wants to do it.
yeah, you in particular should not be the mod hiding election discussion away in another thread

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Raenir Salazar posted:

Twitch streamers are free. :colbert:

pumping valuable money into the hot tub installation and maintenance economy

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Raenir Salazar posted:

Twitch streamers are free. :colbert:

Not when you factor in the cost of buying used bath water from them

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
We gotta expand that market, that’ll bring the prices down. Basic economics

B B
Dec 1, 2005

lol at wasting money on bath water when the fart jars are available

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

New paper today on this topic
Sexualized culture on livestreaming platforms: a content analysis of Twitch.tv

Anciones-Anguita, K., Checa-Romero, M. Sexualized culture on livestreaming platforms: a content analysis of Twitch.tv. Humanit Soc Sci Commun 11, 257 (2024). https://doi.org/10.1057/s41599-024-02724-z posted:

The Twitch.tv livestreaming platform, with 3 million daily viewers internationally, has become a space for online digital culture and entertainment. Given the current concern regarding the exposure of sexualized content on social networks and its consequences for adolescence, the objective of this study is to analyze, from a gender perspective, whether women become more sexualized than men during their livestreams. Using a content-analysis design, an ad-hoc scale was developed to analyze the frequency and intensity of sexualization based on context variables and streamers’ behavior such as clothing, posture, or evocation of a sexual act, among others. After analysis of the livestreams (n = 1920), our scale made it possible to distinguish three levels of intensity: non-sexualized, sexualized, or hypersexualized. Statistically significant evidences was found in the level of sexualization between men and women in different categories of livestreaming. The results show that women are self-sexualized more and in greater intensity than men; there are also differences in the behavior and context of their livestreams. The sexualized representation of women in the media shapes gender attitudes, dehumanizes women, and legitimizes violence against them, and so it is essential to understand the role of media platforms in self-sexualization and the consequences to show women as sexual objects, principally for young people.

In the first descriptive analysis, and with the objective of contrasting H1, we analyze the frequency and intensity with which streamers sexualize according to gender. In terms of frequency, there is a higher percentage of men (61.2%) than women (38.8%) livestreaming (Fig. 1 and Table 5). However, these differences are exacerbated depending on the category in which the livestream is located. Thus, categories such as Just Chatting or Games have a higher frequency of male streamers (86.75% and 92.10% respectively), while in the categories of ASMR and Pools, Hot Tubs & Beaches, there is a higher representation of female streamers (98.75% and 97.19%, respectively), demonstrating a clear division by sex.

Regarding the intensity of sexualization, 87.4% of streamers grouped within the non-sexualized level are male, while 97.2% and 99.7% of the remaining two levels of cognitive subjectification, sexualization and hypersexualization, respectively, are composed of females.

The individual results for the intensity of sexualization for each of the livestreams indicate that there are descriptive differences within the female sex (n = 745). While the Games and Just Chatting categories place the intensity of sexualization at a low or non-sexualized level, the ASMR and Pools, Hot Tubs & Beaches categories have the highest amount of hypersexualized and sexualized livestreams. Women, who make up the vast majority of these categories, are more sexualized in general, reaching high levels of sexualization or hypersexualization in approximately half of the livestreams.

Meanwhile, no men are hypersexualized in the categories of Games, Just Chatting, and ASMR, and only one man is hypersexualized in the category of Pools, Hot Tubs, & Beaches. The same is true for medium intensity, in which only 10 men out of the entire sample (n = 1174) are sexualized. In addition to showing different results for each category in relation to the different levels of sexualization, it is observed that women (n = 745) are not only found mostly in the less popular and, therefore, less visited categories, but also that these categories show the highest percentages of sexualization and hypersexualization.

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008

mawarannahr posted:

and only one man is hypersexualized in the category of Pools, Hot Tubs, & Beaches.

please don't doxx me

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Edward Mass posted:

As an IK for the gambling sub-forum here on the SA Forums, I have some authority in saying that while sports gambling can be legal, it needs to be regulated like similar vices. If states can legalize recreational cannabis usage and control its distribution, they should also be able to do the same for SpendKings.

States have not been able to legalize recreational cannabis usage and control its distribution. It’s been a shitshow free-for-all.

radmonger
Jun 6, 2011

Xiahou Dun posted:


I'm talking about making changes in the actual math curriculum, not a dumb little band-aid PSA.

What you are talking about, as I understand it, are changes to the math curriculum to allow people to work out what the casino take on a craps table is.

Having a relevant degree, and being an RPG player means I could pretty easily do this. But I found it easier to look up via google; it’s 11 to 13%. Which is way worse than the take on pre-math sports betting, as quoted by the economist above, and getting in for that of in-play bets.

It’s also more than that of a roulette wheel (2.6 per zero). But the really relevant figure is than in Las Vegas, google tells me that there are 200 tables with three zeros, 100 with two, and 8 with one. And some of those 8 return half your bet on a zero, for a take of 1.3%.

Very few people are not going to get that having more zeros on a roulette wheel is bad, especially with the few companies that have 1 advertising it as their key selling point. But still, most tables have 3.

So teaching basic dice math is very useful for future game designers, and may be a perfectly sensible idea. But there is no plausible mechanism by which it would have an effect on the topic; sports betting. Except perhaps to persuade them that it offers better odds than craps…

Tnega
Oct 26, 2010

Pillbug

I blame the algorithms. While not twitch, when reviewing my own consumption, male streamers tend to have content like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWLJ230cmrs, whereas female streamers have content like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzLNMR-wlRY. I see no specific reason genderwise why 30 minute video essays on monetization are limited to men, but the closest I see pop up occasionally by women are more "current events/news" type content. That said, to me, the algorithms are a black box, and therefore the easiest to blame.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Discendo Vox posted:

States have not been able to legalize recreational cannabis usage and control its distribution. It’s been a shitshow free-for-all.

Colorado seems to manage just fine

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

quote:

Meanwhile, no men are hypersexualized in the categories of Games, Just Chatting, and ASMR

But Markiplier is right there?!?

koolkal
Oct 21, 2008

this thread maybe doesnt have room for 2 green xbox one avs

Tnega posted:

I blame the algorithms. While not twitch, when reviewing my own consumption, male streamers tend to have content like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWLJ230cmrs, whereas female streamers have content like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzLNMR-wlRY. I see no specific reason genderwise why 30 minute video essays on monetization are limited to men, but the closest I see pop up occasionally by women are more "current events/news" type content. That said, to me, the algorithms are a black box, and therefore the easiest to blame.

I'm not really sure what this has to do with anything, except you telling us you like to watch VTubers I guess?

Senate Cum Dump
Dec 18, 2023

IN THIS VERY ROOM:

~Sonia Sotomayor had her confirmation hearing

~James Comey testified on Russian interference in the 2016 elections

~Aidan got some thick German sausage & a Jager sauce finish
Daily Kos with an article whining about how the NYT is unfairly criticizing Biden for being too old and claiming "but his age" is the new "but her emails." https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/2/12/2222984/-The-New-York-Times-is-determined-to-make-but-his-age-the-new-but-her-emails

I'm not going to defend the NYT's hilariously awful slate of opinion columnists but it's pretty delusional to complain about columnists and the voting public observing objective reality.

quote:

The New York Times, along with other media outlets, has created an opinion ouroboros. The publication provides stories that emphasize how Biden is old, slipping, and gaffe-prone. Then they circulate the news that people, shockingly, believe them. Then they use those poll results as an excuse to do it all again.

When it comes to Trump … don’t worry about it. He dyes his hair and wears makeup and talks for a long time. According to the Times, that means you shouldn’t be concerned about his age. In fact, they have a poll that shows you’re not concerned. And now, here’s an article about how you’re not worried about Trump’s age. Watch him dance.

"Created an opinion ouroboros" as if the public wouldn't know Biden is old, slipping, and gaffe-prone if NYT wasn't feeding that line in their editorials. And yes! Voters are not as concerned about Trump's age.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I think more of the frustration is that the media focus on Biden's age as equivalent to Trump's infinite list of disqualifying opinions, actions, and intentions. Like, Trump invited Russia to invade NATO over the weekend and it didn't get four loving columns in the NYT.

https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1756453489163530335

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1756326917970575576

That's the "her emails" connection. I mean, if you're saying that media coverage doesn't affect candidate perception among the public, I'd have to disagree.

https://twitter.com/SER1897/status/1756441569190989897

zoux fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Feb 13, 2024

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
Right. Like John Stewart did a bit last night where he talked about Biden's memory failures then cut to clips of Trump forgetting all the same poo poo in depositions. It's an absurdly false equivalence that the NYT is hammering because, well, probably mostly because the NYT is owned by right wingers.

Senate Cum Dump
Dec 18, 2023

IN THIS VERY ROOM:

~Sonia Sotomayor had her confirmation hearing

~James Comey testified on Russian interference in the 2016 elections

~Aidan got some thick German sausage & a Jager sauce finish
It doesn't really matter if it's a false equivalence and Trump isn't getting covered the same way. That doesn't address the root concern which is that Biden is feeble and is perceived as such. Deflecting the issue is not going to change any voters' minds.

My point is, whining about coverage of Biden being old accomplishes nothing other than drawing more attention to Biden being old. If the Democrats want to change perceptions they need to do more than go "but what about when Trump forgets things??"

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Right. Like John Stewart did a bit last night where he talked about Biden's memory failures then cut to clips of Trump forgetting all the same poo poo in depositions. It's an absurdly false equivalence that the NYT is hammering because, well, probably mostly because the NYT is owned by right wingers.

It's a confluence of things, imo. First, liberals panic-click on bad news like crazy and share those articles with their other panicky friends, so "Dems bad" articles get a lot of engagement. Second, the news industry is in dire straits and the Trump admin was a balm unto their balance sheets, so another Trump presidency would be good for business (provided he doesn't end the free press and put journalists in shackles, of course). Third, the media/news culture surrounding DC and the WH in particular is diseased and the reporters are bored

https://twitter.com/scarylawyerguy/status/1756674613923254685

Senate Cum Dump posted:

It doesn't really matter if it's a false equivalence and Trump isn't getting covered the same way. That doesn't address the root concern which is that Biden is feeble and is perceived as such. Deflecting the issue is not going to change any voters' minds.

Well he can't be replaced and he can't be made younger, so there's nothing to do about it, is there

Senate Cum Dump
Dec 18, 2023

IN THIS VERY ROOM:

~Sonia Sotomayor had her confirmation hearing

~James Comey testified on Russian interference in the 2016 elections

~Aidan got some thick German sausage & a Jager sauce finish

zoux posted:

Well he can't be replaced and he can't be made younger, so there's nothing to do about it, is there

That's rather dismissive and just wrong at face value. He could resign, party leadership could pressure him to step down.

"Better things aren't possible" is certainly a take and one that I don't think will be persuasive, electorally.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster
In the continuing trend of "literally everything becoming partisan" news, views on specific states have dramatically shifted and sorted by partisanship.

California has seen the sharpest division among partisanship. It was previously rated the most popular state for decades, but now 48% of the country says that California "isn't really part of America" and that it is on the decline.

Even the weather and natural environment, two things that basically everyone loved in California, are now polarized with large segments of Republicans says that California has terrible weather and a "worse natural environment than other states."

40% of Republicans say that there is nowhere in California that is a good place to visit and they would stay away.

Over 75% of Republicans now say they would be afraid for their personal safety if they ever went to California.

Similar, but less extreme, patterns are emerging with Democrats and Florida. Florida used to be a widely popular state, but now only about 52% of Americans say that Florida feels like it matches their values.

https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1757406392715972904

quote:

WASHINGTON — California’s national reputation as a place of dreams and prosperity is in jeopardy, battered by Republicans who dislike almost all aspects of the state and many Democrats who see it as too costly and a poor place to raise a family.

Nationwide, 50% of U.S. adults believe the state is in decline, according to a new survey for the Los Angeles Times.

Political polarization has intensified the negativity: 48% of Republicans believe the state is “not really American,” the survey found. Three in 10 Republicans say the home of Yosemite’s sheer peaks, Sequoia’s towering redwoods and Malibu’s beaches has a worse natural environment than other states.

Nearly 40% of Republicans don’t even think California is a good place to visit, though a majority in both parties say they have been to the state, according to the survey of 1,004 adults, conducted Jan. 26-28 by Leger, a Canadian firm that has polled extensively in the United States.

“If you are a more conservative American, you basically do not like California,” said Christian Bourque, Leger’s executive vice president and the poll’s supervisor. “Of course, we all expected some of that, but the differences are actually quite striking.”

California has, however, maintained its reputation as a new frontier, particularly among young people, who have long fueled the state’s energy.

Six in 10 adults nationwide think the state is a trendsetter and that it has had a positive impact on the country. The share who see California as a trendsetter rises to 7 in 10 among those ages 18-34. A similar share of younger Americans also says that California’s impact on the U.S. has been positive.

Younger people were also twice as likely (43%) to say they would consider moving to the state as are other Americans. Job opportunity was the top reason they cited (36%).

Among Republicans, just one-third said that the state’s impact on the country has been positive, while two-thirds said it has been a net negative.

The extent to which partisanship drives opinion can also be seen in how much Americans’ views of California overlap with opinions on seemingly unrelated, but similarly polarized, topics such as climate change, gender equality, racism and abortion.

People who see racism as an important issue in the U.S., for example, are more than twice as likely to think California is a good place to visit (77%) than are those who think racism is unimportant (35%).

Californians do have notably different views than the rest of the country on some issues. Abortion stands out: Nearly half (46%) of Californians say abortion should be legal in all cases, a view shared by just over 1 in 4 adults nationwide.

Beyond partisanship, the poll underscores how economic trends of recent years have affected California’s image. High housing prices have led to a persistent crisis of homelessness and have helped drive three straight years of population decline after more than a century of nonstop growth.

Californians in both parties, even those who appreciate the state’s natural environment and cultural values, have complained it has become too expensive, with roughly 8 in 10 California residents and nearly 9 in 10 in the rest of the country holding that view, the poll found.

Only about 2 in 5 Americans called California a good place to raise a family, and a similar share said its economy is strong.

Fewer than 3 in 10 people nationwide judged the state’s colleges and universities — consistently ranked among the best in academic surveys — as better than other states’ higher education options. Notably, however, younger Americans and adults who live in California were significantly more likely to rate California colleges and universities as better than others.

The degree to which political or ideological beliefs color such opinions was pervasive. For example, fewer than 1 in 5 people overall said California has a better standard of living than other states. That falls to 1 in 10 among Republicans. A majority in the GOP say California’s standard of living is worse than most states.

By contrast, about 1 in 3 Democrats say California’s standard of living is better than most states, while 4 in 10 say it’s about the same and fewer than 2 in 10 call it worse.

Political divisions have subsumed many aspects of American life in recent years. But California has been the target of particularly virulent attacks from conservative media personalities and politicians as it has shifted from political battleground to Democratic lock. The attacks accelerated during Donald Trump’s presidency, when the state often sued the federal government, especially on immigration and environmental policies.

Memories of Republican Govs. Ronald Reagan in the 1960s and 1970s or Pete Wilson in the 1990s have receded for many Americans as the state has morphed into an emblem of progressivism — propelled by Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom’s push to sign laws designed to combat red-state policies on climate, abortion, immigration status, gender and other hot-button issues.

Not all Democrats are on board with that shift — 30% call the state too liberal, a view shared by 81% of Republicans.

Conservative politicians have increasingly defined themselves by opposition to California: “Don’t allow Florida to become San Francisco,” Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis declared this month as he unveiled legislation designed to reduce homelessness that included a crackdown on camping in public places.

DeSantis has been a leading critic of the state, releasing videos from San Francisco as part of his former presidential campaign in which he claimed (without proof) that he had seen people defecating on the street.

Other conservatives, including Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of Tesla and X, have joined in railing against the state’s former COVID-19 restrictions, its laws allowing gender affirming care for minors and its policies granting access to subsidized public healthcare for low-income people who came to the country illegally.

The public pounding by Fox News and conservative social media has helped drive negative views of the state on issues such as safety: Three-quarters of Republicans say they think the state is unsafe, despite recent improvements in crime statistics in Los Angeles and other major cities. In 2022, the most recent year for which the FBI has released state-by-state data, California’s reported rate of violent crime was above the national average, but similar to the rates in states as disparate as Colorado, South Carolina and Missouri.

The policy and cultural clashes over California came to a head in December when DeSantis debated Newsom on Fox News over whose state is better governed and whose definition of freedom better matched the American ideal.

The answer for many Americans appears to be a draw, according to the poll: California and Florida were roughly tied when people were asked which of the two states better represents their values — 52% sided with Florida, 48% with California. The division was similar when the poll asked about California versus Texas.

Views on whether California is more free than other states showed a similar split, with roughly a quarter saying it was more free and another quarter saying it was less free. The rest said it was roughly the same or declined to answer.

Newsom has argued that California stands for freedom, citing its protection of abortion rights, affordable healthcare, clean air and other progressive priorities.

The poll indicated he has support for that vision at home. Asked if the state is better on freedom than other states, Californians in the survey were twice as likely (43%) to say yes as were adults nationwide (21%).

State residents also give California higher marks on healthcare, higher education, its natural environment, race relations and its standard of living than do people nationwide.

The Leger poll was conducted online among 1,004 U.S. residents ages 18 and older, including 120 California residents. The sample was weighted to match benchmarks for age, gender, region, education and ethnicity. The estimated margin of error is 3.1 percentage points for the full sample.

Aztec Galactus
Sep 12, 2002

Senate Cum Dump posted:

That's rather dismissive and just wrong at face value. He could resign, party leadership could pressure him to step down.

"Better things aren't possible" is certainly a take and one that I don't think will be persuasive, electorally.

Better things aren't possible might as well be the Biden campaign slogan

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Senate Cum Dump posted:

That's rather dismissive and just wrong at face value. He could resign, party leadership could pressure him to step down.

In favor of who?

Kagrenak
Sep 8, 2010

Senate Cum Dump posted:

That's rather dismissive and just wrong at face value. He could resign, party leadership could pressure him to step down.

"Better things aren't possible" is certainly a take and one that I don't think will be persuasive, electorally.

I'm sure replacing the candidate in February will definitely go smoothly and not lead to months of "Democrats in disarray" articles.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

zoux posted:

In favor of who?

It's really kinda worrisome there aren't many good answers here, they really need beef up their bench.

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Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

zoux posted:

In favor of who?

"Party Leadership" *waves hands*

I love "party leadership" because it always somehow exists as this source of influence separate from the candidates or elected officials at the top of the party

I'm still waiting for "republican party leadership" to stop Trump

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Senate Cum Dump posted:

That's rather dismissive and just wrong at face value. He could resign, party leadership could pressure him to step down.

"Better things aren't possible" is certainly a take and one that I don't think will be persuasive, electorally.

There’s absolutely no way in hell that would do anything but hand the presidency to Trump.


socialsecurity posted:

It's really kinda worrisome there aren't many good answers here, they really need beef up their bench.

That’s generally what the primaries are for, but it’s a bit late for a rising star to leap in. I guess None of the Above has a striking shot.

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koolkal
Oct 21, 2008

this thread maybe doesnt have room for 2 green xbox one avs

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Right. Like John Stewart did a bit last night where he talked about Biden's memory failures then cut to clips of Trump forgetting all the same poo poo in depositions. It's an absurdly false equivalence that the NYT is hammering because, well, probably mostly because the NYT is owned by right wingers.

People are also mad at Jon Stewart for being too hard on Biden though.

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