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Mr-Spain posted:Was going about some random stuff on the SS and me and my buddy were kinda suspect about the condition of the oil; cut it open to some glitter;  Not Wolverine posted:What is the point of the Ford Godzilla engine? It's a 7.3L gas engine, in superduty pickups it makes 430hp, 475ft-lbs so it's not a really high power output engine, for comparison, a Ford 6.2L V8 is 385hp and 430ft-lbs. It's a replacement for the 6.8 V10, and is the base engine in the F-650 and F-750 and stripped chassis(motorhomes, delivery vans) Area under the graph is important, It makes 350ft/lbs at the wheels at 2200rpm, the 6.2 doesn't get there until 3500. Fuel economy at low load will be worse. longevity at high load will be much better. Powershift fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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Not Wolverine posted:What is the point of the Ford Godzilla engine? It's a 7.3L gas engine, in superduty pickups it makes 430hp, 475ft-lbs so it's not a really high power output engine, for comparison, a Ford 6.2L V8 is 385hp and 430ft-lbs. It's so you can put one in a pinto
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IOwnCalculus posted:I might get there eventually. I'm sure it can be done, I just don't have that skill set or tool set. HPTuners is the only tuning solution I'm aware of for the P10 and P12 computers and they have no interest in figuring this out because they use the loving VIN as part of their licensing scheme. Oh, I didn't realize it was a pushrod engine. Is it a new architecture, or based on a previous Ford design? I assume the pushrods are to keep it compact, maybe? I see there's a 615HP "Megazilla" version available from Ford Racing as well. Neat. Fake edit: new engine, according to Wikipedia. Smaller than an FE, but bigger than a Windsor.
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Krakkles posted:
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Powershift posted:My first thought: Was gonna point this out. 6.2s really wanna spin it to win it. I'd mess with a godzilla. dgaf about the 6.2.
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Powershift posted:It's a replacement for the 6.8 V10, and is the base engine in the F-650 and F-750 and stripped chassis(motorhomes, delivery vans) What confuses me is why didn't Ford just slap a snail or two onto the 6.2 to get the nice flat torque table? Ford seems to be really pushing EcoBoost engines, it seems a lot of vehicles have a flavor of EcoBoost and now the most powerful f-150 engine is an EcoBoost. At least the 3.5 EcoBoost has a nice flat torque curve good for commercial vehicles, so why not make a larger EcoBoost for commercial vehicles? My best guess is simply durability, the the turbos add a few .ore complex parts making the engine more likely to fail. Similarly, EPA ratings for commercial vehicles are not as strict as the f150 so a small displacement turbo charged engine is not necessary, although I suspect fleet purchases might appreciate pinching s fee more pennies on the fuel budget. Alternatively, the v-10 seems to prove that mod motors can make low end torque without turbos, why didn't Ford make a 6.2 with a torque curve more like the v-10? Why didn't Ford update the v-10 to make more power? The only major revision I see is changing from 2 valve to 3 valve heads back in 2005 but other mod motors have got lots of new tricks like variable valve timing or direct injection. I admire Godzilla for it's flat torque curve, and it seems to fill the gap between the 5.0, 6.2 and 6.7 diesel pretty well, but it just seems like a gap filler and outside of commercial vehicles that must use gas instead of diesel I don't think it really is necessary. I think the biggest advantage of Godzilla is simply costing less than a Powerstroke. As a crate engine with boost it seems cool but also kinda seems like overkill for a crate engine. Are there many swaps held back by not being to fit a mod motor that can fit Godzilla? Despite being critical of Godzilla, I don't think it is necessarily a bad engine, I think it's an impressive cool design. What I dislike about is simply that it's a new design which seems like a lot of money to spend on a niche market, and I think commercial vehicles could have also used another mod motor version instead.
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I think you've put more thought into this than everyone at Ford who signed off on it immediately after hearing "pushrod big block V8." i would have done the same Edit: This made me make a stupid thing. 
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Yea not a lot of fun to find lol. Put down half today for the engine build. 416 with forged rotating assembly, sorting out cam and converter next. Probably run around a +/-2500 stall. Pulled the blower today to prep it for sale and pics. Going to run stock heads with new springs, keepers, trunnions and all that poo poo. Went to buddy’s shop to pull blower as it’s a two person job to pick that heavy fucker. Friend said he’d probably have the motor pulled by tomorrow afternoon by himself because he is an insane person.
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Not Wolverine posted:Despite being critical of Godzilla, I don't think it is necessarily a bad engine, I think it's an impressive cool design. What I dislike about is simply that it's a new design which seems like a lot of money to spend on a niche market, and I think commercial vehicles could have also used another mod motor version instead. I think you misunderestimate the number of F-53/59s ford builds. The Avon Lake plant that only builds 7.3 powered vehicles, most without bodies, has more hourly employees than the flat rock plant that builds 100k mustangs a year. The Windsor engine plant that only builds the 7.3 has more hourly employees than the Essex plant that builds the 5.0 Think of it this way. The 6.2 is a passenger vehicle engine that can tow sometimes. The 7.3 godzilla is a commercial engine that the F350 gets as a treat. The 6.8 V10 is a boat anchor and a half.
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Chrome wheels are back! https://x.com/ScarbsTech/status/1757688427716268438?s=20
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It is time for you to get Helldivers 2, friends. One part Starship Troopers, one part Terminator, a heaping tablespoon of of Star Wars vehicles and then add another few ounces of Space WWI and muddle with half of a Space Vietnam. Awesome music, awesome one-liners, fully entertaining with your gaming buddies.
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Imperador do Brasil posted:That seems crazy. I get 35mpg in my Fiesta ST at the same speeds. How is the Scion so inefficient? It has the same big four cylinder (2.4) that's in the same year Camrys mated to a four speed transmission, plus it has almost no aerodynamic qualities whatsoever lol I'm fine with it tho because it scoots really well, great torque off the line for what it is and it's bullet proof reliable. Handles really well with summer tires and aftermarket sway bars too, and can tow my little fishing skiff no problem. I laugh when I see adds for them for sale as a "gas saver"  The Door Frame posted:My xA with the 1.5L gets an average of about 25 MPG when i drive it since it is not meant to go fast or be driven aggressively, ever. And this, my foot is always in it cuz it scoots so well around town so that doesn't help either. Honestly crappy mpg is it's only flaw unless you don't like the way it looks. 
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Ether Frenzy posted:It is time for you to get Helldivers 2, friends. Sounds like nerd poo poo. it does look fun
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Ether Frenzy posted:It is time for you to get Helldivers 2, friends. It sounds like fun but there's no single player.
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WTFBEES posted:I think you've put more thought into this than everyone at Ford who signed off on it immediately after hearing "pushrod big block V8." This, but also I bet even dealing with a clean sheet design the 7.3 was a cheaper option. And honestly it'll be much cheaper for owners long term too.
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mariooncrack posted:It sounds like fun but there's no single player. Also no Xbox.
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Powershift posted:I think you misunderestimate the number of F-53/59s ford builds. The Avon Lake plant that only builds 7.3 powered vehicles, most without bodies, has more hourly employees than the flat rock plant that builds 100k mustangs a year. The Windsor engine plant that only builds the 7.3 has more hourly employees than the Essex plant that builds the 5.0 I honestly had no idea that Ford gas engines were used in Class A motorhomes, I just assumed they would all be a Cummins or Detroit diesel at this point. That said, in the F150 today, the 3.5L EcoBoost has a little more power than the 5.0L V8, the EcoBoost also has a slightly higher towing capacity. However, is it safe to say that the the 5.0 V8 is likely to be a more durable engine than the EcoBoost simple due to being a naturally aspirated and lower power engine?
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Not Wolverine posted:I honestly had no idea that Ford gas engines were used in Class A motorhomes, I just assumed they would all be a Cummins or Detroit diesel at this point. There's a bunch with v10s and such floating around. Completely miserable experience. I met an older couple on the road that sank $18k into a v10 repower in their class-A when it exploded. Guaranteed. They're not power turbos, they're efficiency turbos. The EBs get single digit fuel economy when towing heavy.
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Not Wolverine posted:I honestly had no idea that Ford gas engines were used in Class A motorhomes, I just assumed they would all be a Cummins or Detroit diesel at this point. You probably also didn't know about Ford's secret best vehicle.  The 2025 Econoline cutaway. -Front engine, rear wheel drive -7.3 and 6 speed auto are both good for 1000hp on stock internals. -under 40 grand, cheaper than a V8 mustang -already has the maximum stage of weight reduction. -33rd year of the 4th gen econoline so they should have things figured out. -The only screen is the segment LCD in the AM/FM radio 
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Now I'm imagining one with a teardrop tail and a giant wing
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Holy gently caress I can't believe they still make those. I guess if they sell enough to the ambulance, short bus etc companies then why not?
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For decades now it seems like Ford has been pushing hard for van chassis cabs as a replacement for truck chassis cabs. The godzilla certainly helps there with smaller pushrod cylinder heads fitting better in a tight van doghouse. GM has been eating their lunch their as LS/LT motors are just so easy to package in anything. Even on the truck side, PSD maintenance can mean cab off so a small footprint engine helps there. Large displacement means good low RPM torque for PTO applications. Pushrod means no timing maintenance (except I think it still has a cam phaser). No turbos means less heat, better oil life. Gasser means no DPF and SCR. It seems like a fantastic motor for fleet vehicles that dont absolutely need a diesel, and fleet vehicles are important for Ford. In the wake of the 6.0 PSD disaster, it was funny to see a rash of 5.4 trucks grunt and wheeze trying to take it's place. I've seen a bunch of 5.4 tow trucks barely be able to winch a car onto a flatbed.
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Normally you would be right about all of that but Godzillas started eating cams and lifters due to cam lobe delamination at 2k to 40k miles. I'm pretty sure it's just low quality parts causing it. https://youtu.be/XEwGt0niG-4?si=oJZXRbxNgUizflqS https://youtu.be/6aHl1BjZaFQ?si=arN1bc3z7V-iNO-T https://youtu.be/esdknTjxQTM?si=brEj0BC3roqs3JpN
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I guess you just have to put a giant aftermarket cam in, then. For reliability.
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kastein posted:Normally you would be right about all of that but Godzillas started eating cams and lifters due to cam lobe delamination at 2k to 40k miles. I'm pretty sure it's just low quality parts causing it. I'll add those videos to my watch later list. But I'm guessing that's just a run of the mill quality issue. Every few years it seems like every OE needs to relearn how cam grinding and heat treatment works, or the cringiest of all sometimes how press fit can lobes work. I think I remember the Godzilla having a base circle big enough to make about any factory big block blush, and conservative valve lift should mean low pressure on the cam and lifters. Or maybe I'm conflating that withe FR9. It's been a while since I've looked at the actual numbers, so I'm talking 100% out of my rear end here.
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IOwnCalculus posted:I guess you just have to put a giant aftermarket cam in, then. Exactly! Like this one: https://www.compcams.com/godzilla-stage-3-hydraulic-roller.html
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Turbo Fondant posted:Now I'm imagining one with a teardrop tail and a giant wing I was thinking some mudguards and a bit of side skirts, like a racing truck.  Add the racing livery of your choice.
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so... how long until these motors start showing up in pick n pull? i guess the problem with them being mostly in commercial chassis is that they won't really hit craigslist or pick n pull like the picup/SUV parts. but with the gen6 454 getting long in the tooth, we'll need some more secondhand big block action, so im looking forward to it
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Salami Surgeon posted:I'll add those videos to my watch later list. But I'm guessing that's just a run of the mill quality issue. Every few years it seems like every OE needs to relearn how cam grinding and heat treatment works, or the cringiest of all sometimes how press fit can lobes work. Yeah, pretty much. Dodge late model V8 and GM LS cam and lifters are always making GBS threads out too. I think Toyota V8s are the only ones that aren't always like this.
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DJ Commie posted:I'd love to. I'm just north of San Luis Obispo, on the way up to SF just off 101 Have you ever been to Sensorio in Paso Robles? It looks like they’ll be open on the day/evening we pass you. https://californiathroughmylens.com/sensorio-field-of-light/ https://sensoriopaso.com
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I love my tyre shop. Always get exceptional service from them. This time I was only after some cheap 245/45 18s and they charged me far less than they quoted me a few days ago.
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mariooncrack posted:It sounds like fun but there's no single player. Yeah there is. There's no STORY, but you can go Spread Democracy on any planet you want solo and just turn the difficulty down so you don't get overwhelmed. Difficulty seems to just bring more enemies, not make things take or do more damage. It is 100% PvE and a lot of fun even with randos. Also I'm playing it on the PC, missed the first one completely. Ether Frenzy fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Feb 16, 2024 |
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I know spreading democracy requires a cape or something but the physics look like butt and I'm just staring at the janky cape whenever I see gameplay.
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The physics are exactly like every other relatively realistic shooter game in the last 15 years, and I'm not sure why you think it's preferable or even possible to as fully bring the freedom the unruly galaxy yearns for without a cool cape. On top of looking awesome while blowing in the wind of your Star Destroyer's AC system, a cape slot also provides additional things for you to buy with your War Medals and Requisition Slips that you will earn from delivering violence-based peace and democracy to the far reaches of space, and presumably will have individual bonuses/stats like the other armor items have once you get later into the leveling system. There's also some pretty amusing combinations of things you can name your ship (everyone has their own Star Destroyer, listed in the top left corner.) One of my friends pilots the Legislator of Individual Morality. Tell me your democracy levels aren't rising just by looking upon these ensembles. The voice acting is amazing, the music is outstanding, and everything about the propaganda vibe efforts are 100% top notch.   I'm on a discord with a bunch of game industry professionals and the last time *everybody* was playing a single game at this rate was PUBG when it first came out. For the first time in ages none of them are connected to the current hot game at all. Miss it at your peril! https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8w5Po2s/
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I traded my red truck for a white one.  I couldn't wait any longer. Inspection was past due. I don't think the brakes or tires would have passed. Plus, it's been making some godawful timing chain noises for the last 5000 miles (it's at 51k now), was way down on power and the mileage was starting to suck. On the upside, I don't have to worry about a timing chain anymore. kastein posted:Normally you would be right about all of that but Godzillas started eating cams and lifters due to cam lobe delamination at 2k to 40k miles. I'm pretty sure it's just low quality parts causing it. idk what Motorcraft's deal is with accepting lovely parts but it's been a thing since at least 2011. see above.
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A ford truck without the worst part. A Ford engine. That rules. I've seen a bunch out here in work truck liveries. You did good.
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cursedshitbox posted:A ford truck without the worst part. A Ford engine. That rules. I've seen a bunch out here in work truck liveries. You did good. I'm seriously considering going to the sign shop and having them print me some decals from surrounding jurisdictions so I can park wherever the gently caress I want without worrying about it. I parked behind a white lightning with DC flag on the side when I went to the ESRI convention on Tuesday and confused the daylights out of the guy returning to "his" truck. He tried opening both passenger doors before realizing it wasn't his truck. I am also seriously considering https://spinnywhoosh.com/products/retro-solo-jazz-livery?variant=39602662834254
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