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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
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VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

fizziester posted:

Source: Washington Post


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/15/ukraine-avdiivka-oleksandr-syrsky-russia/

Ukraine on verge of losing Avdiivka, strategic city long targeted by Russia
By Isabelle Khurshudyan
February 15, 2024 at 11:38 a.m. EST

... The ruined coke and chemical plant, once an economic pillar in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region, is likely to be the last Ukrainian stronghold in Avdiivka, which has been embattled since 2014. Ukrainian troops say it is just a matter of time before they will have to surrender the city, and on Thursday the military said forces had already pulled back from some positions as the Russians have begun advancing rapidly...

Avdiivka potentially poses a first critical test for Ukraine’s new commander in chief, Col. Gen. Oleksandr Syrsky, who was elevated last week by President Volodymyr Zelensky and must decide if and when to admit defeat and withdraw. Many troops accuse Syrsky, who previously led Ukraine’s ground forces, of waiting too long to do the same last year in Bakhmut, another eastern city, when it was under siege last year.

Capturing Avdiivka would mark Moscow’s most significant battlefield victory since the failure of a Ukrainian counteroffensive last year — and would be the clearest sign yet that Russian forces are regaining the initiative as Kyiv runs short of soldiers, weapons, ammunition, morale and money.

Lmao look at all the once Russian "talking points" in this article which are now just commonly accepted history

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VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"
Barely anyone denies anymore that Ukraine was far too slow to retreat from Bahkmut and lost a poo poo ton of men and material for it.

Now it's just established fact, casually mentioned.

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

‘A lot higher than we expected’: Russian arms production worries Europe’s war planners

quote:

Richard Connolly, an expert on Russia’s military and economy at the Royal United Services Institute thinktank in London, called it a “Kalashnikov economy”, which he said was “quite unsophisticated but durable, built for large-scale use and for use in conflicts”.

He said: “The Russians have been paying for this for years. They’ve been subsidising the defence industry, and many would have said wasting money for the event that one day they need to be able to scale it up. So it was economically inefficient until 2022, and then suddenly it looks like a very shrewd bit of planning.”

That differs significantly from western, especially European, arms manufacturers, who generally run lean operations that work across borders and are designed to maximise profit for shareholders

there’s also a bit about “forced labour” by brining in students and convicts to make BMPs, and how thousands of people are now middle class but this is bad for some reason

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1758259470092648519

Oh wow Rob that's crazy I wonder if tankies were saying this at the time?

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Jel Shaker posted:

‘A lot higher than we expected’: Russian arms production worries Europe’s war planners

there’s also a bit about “forced labour” by brining in students and convicts to make BMPs, and how thousands of people are now middle class but this is bad for some reason

"Shrewd planning" is understanding the one truth that the US will always want to gently caress you.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

https://twitter.com/bunny_d_warrior/status/1758259474433966193?s=20

Zelensky finally gave the withdrawal order. Might be too late now.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/bunny_d_warrior/status/1758259474433966193?s=20

Zelensky finally gave the withdrawal order. Might be too late now.

Just posting this from my bathroom bunker

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Phigs posted:

Only Lenin is without sin.

Should have trained his evasion stat up more

Freezer
Apr 20, 2001

The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

VoicesCanBe posted:

Barely anyone denies anymore that Ukraine was far too slow to retreat from Bahkmut and lost a poo poo ton of men and material for it.

Now it's just established fact, casually mentioned.



Both Ukranian and Russian telegram channels are currently reporting that the retreat from Avdiivka pretty has turned into a messy rout under heavy fire, so it sounds an order of magnitude worse than Bakhmut.

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

Jel Shaker posted:

‘A lot higher than we expected’: Russian arms production worries Europe’s war planners

there’s also a bit about “forced labour” by brining in students and convicts to make BMPs, and how thousands of people are now middle class but this is bad for some reason

lol

quote:

In regions across Russia, that kind of money can be transformative. “The war has led to an unprecedented redistribution of wealth, with the poorer classes profiting from government spending on the military-industrial complex,” said Denis Volkov, the director of the Levada Center, a polling and sociological research firm in Moscow. “Workers at military factories and families of soldiers fighting in Ukraine suddenly have much more money to spend. Their income has increased dramatically.”

I don't want to get into the trap of putins Russia being a socialist utopia, but can you imagine western military adventures ever leading to wealth transfer to the poor

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Only the train part in Grand Central looks good, the subway part is still a dumpster fire. Also they lease out the classy part to retailers like Apple.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

VoicesCanBe posted:

Barely anyone denies anymore that Ukraine was far too slow to retreat from Bahkmut and lost a poo poo ton of men and material for it.

Now it's just established fact, casually mentioned.
the media sphere on this whole charade has been crazy if anyone were to sit down and compare notes from just a few days prior

i still think about the whole zalushnyyy firing and how for the first few days it was NUH UH FAKE NEWS! he's not fired he's not fired! stop spreading orkish disinformation! we would never do that! you're fired not him!........... ok yeah we fired him but who cares about that loser anyways

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
fire ur top general, orser new general to rush all the reserves into the meatgrinder, then have to withdraw whatever is left lol

fizziester
Dec 21, 2023

fizziester posted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/15/ukraine-avdiivka-oleksandr-syrsky-russia/

Ukraine on verge of losing Avdiivka, strategic city long targeted by Russia
By Isabelle Khurshudyan
February 15, 2024 at 11:38 a.m. EST

... The ruined coke and chemical plant, once an economic pillar in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region, is likely to be the last Ukrainian stronghold in Avdiivka, which has been embattled since 2014. Ukrainian troops say it is just a matter of time before they will have to surrender the city, and on Thursday the military said forces had already pulled back from some positions as the Russians have begun advancing rapidly...


Source: New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/15/world/europe/ukraine-war-avdiivka-russia.html

Losing Ground, Ukraine Seeks New Positions Around Avdiivka
By Marc Santora
Marc Santora is reporting from Kyiv. He has made several reporting trips to positions near Avdiivka to chronicle the horrific fighting over the town.
Feb. 15, 2024
Updated 12:29 p.m. ET

Ukrainian soldiers are withdrawing from positions in the shattered town of Avdiivka after advancing Russian forces breached a critical supply line and threatened to encircle scores of Ukrainian soldiers, Ukrainian military officials and soldiers said on Thursday.

Dmytro Lykhovii, a spokesman for Ukrainian forces fighting in the area, said the Ukrainians were “maneuvering” and “sometimes withdrawing to more advantageous positions and sometimes repelling enemy advances.”...

... Signs of Ukraine’s deteriorating hold on Avdiivka have been evident for several weeks. Ukraine recently rotated out soldiers from the 110th Brigade, which had played a vital role in the defense of the city for two years but were exhausted and severely depleted after months of brutal combat. Soldiers from the elite Third Assault Brigade were sent in to shore up Ukraine’s forces but noted that they were being sent into a situation that was already “extremely critical.”...

... With the Ukrainians forced to conserve ammunition, small bands of Russian assault units were able to amass within the city itself...

... Another soldier fighting in the city said it was “just horrible” and the “only thing to do is pray.”

__________________________________________________


Source: Ukrainska Pravda

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/02/15/7442079/

White House: Russia may capture Avdiivka as Ukrainians run out of artillery shells
EUROPEAN PRAVDA, UKRAINSKA PRAVDA — THURSDAY, 15 FEBRUARY 2024, 21:59

Source: Kirby said this at a briefing at the White House on 15 February, European Pravda writes.

The White House spokesperson said that "incredibly intense fighting" was taking place in the east of Ukraine, singling out Avdiivka.

Quote: "Unfortunately, we are getting reports from the Ukrainians that the situation is critical, with the Russians continuing to press Ukrainian positions every single day. Avdiivka is at a risk of falling under Russian control," he added.

Kirby said that this is largely due to Ukraine's lack of artillery shells and Russia's superiority in manpower.

__________________________________________________


Source: Ukrainska Pravda

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/02/15/7441948/

Avdiivka is hell: 3rd Separate Assault Brigade reports critical situation in Avdiivka
TETIANA LOZOVENKO — THURSDAY, 15 FEBRUARY 2024, 09:44

Source: 3rd separate assault brigade

Quote: "Avdiivka is hell. The Third Separate Assault Brigade confirms that it has been urgently redeployed to reinforce Ukrainian troops in the area of Avdiivka.

The situation in the city at the time of the brigade's deployment was extremely critical...

... At the same time, the objective situation in Avdiivka remains precarious and unstable. The enemy continues to actively rotate its troops and deploy new forces and equipment to the city."

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/bunny_d_warrior/status/1758259474433966193?s=20

Zelensky finally gave the withdrawal order. Might be too late now.

Zelenskyy is doing everything he can to ensure that his warriors have enough managerial and technological capabilities to save as many Ukrainian lives as possible the day after he ordered his general to send thousands of them into the cauldron.

Freezer
Apr 20, 2001

The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.
Looking back on it, the Russian retreat from Kherson was probably one the best executed operations in this war.

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

OctaMurk posted:

oh so .. . Literally everything?

Not elan!

antipattern
Nov 8, 2019

Starsfan posted:

Zelenskyy is doing everything he can to ensure that his warriors have enough managerial and technological capabilities to save as many Ukrainian lives as possible the day after he ordered his general to send thousands of them into the cauldron.

This shitshow would be funny if it weren't for the thousands of lives being wasted on these pointless last stands. If every major battle goes this way then it's just delaying the inevitable.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat

antipattern posted:

it's just delaying the inevitable.

been this from day 0 of the war

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/bunny_d_warrior/status/1758259474433966193?s=20

Zelensky finally gave the withdrawal order. Might be too late now.

here comes the woodchipper

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

fizziester posted:

Ukraine on verge of losing Avdiivka, strategic city long targeted by Russia

western media using the S-word. Its over.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
lmfao @ the anonymous gbs/reddit guy callibg in to nytimes

“The Russians are throwing everything they have left just to symbolically take the city,” a Ukrainian soldier said when reached by phone, insisting on anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly. “From a strategic point of view, the city no longer matters. And it’s only advantageous for us to hold it to make the losses for the Russkies as high as possible.

Another soldier fighting in the city said it was “just horrible” and the “only thing to do is pray.”

CongoJack
Nov 5, 2009

Ask Why, Asshole
I’m definitely here on the front lines and we are totally killing so many of them on the way out of our fortress that it’s a win, actually.

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

Freezer posted:

Looking back on it, the Russian retreat from Kherson was probably one the best executed operations in this war.

Evacuating your entire force in the area along with tens of thousands of civilians over two bridges while actively taking artillery fire is probably one of the most impressive feats ever executed in modern warfare and is the sort of thing militaries across the globe should be studying. Alas, it was done by orks so no one west of Kyiv is ever going to acknowledge it.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

“avdiivka is gay anyway and we never liked it”

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
He said: “The Russians have been paying for this for years. They’ve been subsidising the defence industry, and many would have said wasting money for the event that one day they need to be able to scale it up. So it was economically inefficient until 2022, and then suddenly it looks like a very shrewd bit of planning.”

That differs significantly from western, especially European, arms manufacturers, who generally run lean operations that work across borders and are designed to maximise profit for shareholders.

sum
Nov 15, 2010

Homeless Friend posted:

He said: “The Russians have been paying for this for years. They’ve been subsidising the defence industry, and many would have said wasting money for the event that one day they need to be able to scale it up. So it was economically inefficient until 2022, and then suddenly it looks like a very shrewd bit of planning.”

That differs significantly from western, especially European, arms manufacturers, who generally run lean operations that work across borders and are designed to maximise profit for shareholders.

Interesting. First time I'm hearing about this.

slave to my cravings
Mar 1, 2007

Got my mind on doritos and doritos on my mind.
strategically encircled

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

OctaMurk posted:

fire ur top general, orser new general to rush all the reserves into the meatgrinder, then have to withdraw whatever is left lol

Anyone remember who was in charge in Severodonetsk? The city they lost but then charged back in because it was a trap all along and then lost it anyway after trapping more force on the wrong side of destroyed bridges.

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

Homeless Friend posted:

lmfao @ the anonymous gbs/reddit guy callibg in to nytimes

“The Russians are throwing everything they have left just to symbolically take the city,” a Ukrainian soldier said when reached by phone, insisting on anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly. “From a strategic point of view, the city no longer matters. And it’s only advantageous for us to hold it to make the losses for the Russkies as high as possible.

Another soldier fighting in the city said it was “just horrible” and the “only thing to do is pray.”

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Homeless Friend posted:

lmfao @ the anonymous gbs/reddit guy callibg in to nytimes

“The Russians are throwing everything they have left just to symbolically take the city,” a Ukrainian soldier said when reached by phone, insisting on anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly. “From a strategic point of view, the city no longer matters. And it’s only advantageous for us to hold it to make the losses for the Russkies as high as possible.

Another soldier fighting in the city said it was “just horrible” and the “only thing to do is pray.”

Reddit is still talking about how it's not time to evacuate yet because they are still totally trading 10 to 1.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



No war but the narrative war

supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Freezer posted:

Looking back on it, the Russian retreat from Kherson was probably one the best executed operations in this war.

I think one of the relieving brigade getting double or maybe triple tapped around Selydove might have altered their views.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1758233670907818399/

hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

Pork Pro

1stGear posted:

Evacuating your entire force in the area along with tens of thousands of civilians over two bridges while actively taking artillery fire is probably one of the most impressive feats ever executed in modern warfare and is the sort of thing militaries across the globe should be studying. Alas, it was done by orks so no one west of Kyiv is ever going to acknowledge it.

hell, it's not much but I'll acknowledge it, that sounds bad rear end

Sherbert Hoover
Dec 12, 2019

Working hard, thank you!
this is such a goofy war, which is a strange thing to say about so many casualties, but every now and then there's news of a big breakthrough and the map shows like one rural neighborhood switched hands.

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008


Incredibly funny if Stuart Little Z is sending Azov off to Avdiivka to die now that Zaluzhnyi isn't there to protect them

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

“avdiivka is gay anyway and we never liked it”
yep. mad tankies??

Freezer
Apr 20, 2001

The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

supersnowman posted:

Reddit is still talking about how it's not time to evacuate yet because they are still totally trading 10 to 1.

well yeah at this point of the retreat they might be trading 10 to 1, just don’t ask which side is the 10

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
if you care about ukraine, you need to spend less time jerking off over tactics on the internet and more time voting—not just for whatever your local political parties throw your way, but at the level of whatever counts as a primaries in your country—and you need to make the case to every eligible voter around you that this is a just cause that they should support for whatever reason, be that altruistic or selfish

that’s ukraine’s only path to victory that doesn’t involve the country’s collapse before eventually—after years of unspeakable struggle and hardship—winning an insurgency

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Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
lmfao that rules

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