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No idea but Avengers/JLA is a masterwork in Perez art with a decently hokey plot to get them there with all that sort of *gee whiz* characterization that makes it good.
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I don't remember the quality of the Amalgam books. Dark Claw is really the only one that I think people remember. I'm glad to see these back though. Especially JLA/Avengers. But the best crossover that's ever been done remains Teen Titans/X-Men
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Feb 13, 2024 06:12
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Amalgam is as hit or miss as the rest of the 90's comics from Marvel and DC. A lot of it depends on your familiarity with and fondness for the characters. Either you're all in for Etrigan, Ghost Rider, and The Flash getting mushed together and actually kind of working, or you have a lot of Wonder Woman and Elektra as CIA operatives to suffer through.
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Feb 13, 2024 06:41
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Years ago I found a second copy of a DC/Marvel crossover tpb which had that X-Men/Teen Titans crossover. My fave though was the Spiderman/Superman crossover which mentioned that they lived on the same world and Supes just never had time to see what Spiderman was up to.
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That's awesome news, I figured it'd probably never happen.
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catlord posted:That's awesome news, I figured it'd probably never happen. DiDio and Quesada both being gone from places of power probably helped.
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Jiro posted:No idea but Avengers/JLA is a masterwork in Perez art with a decently hokey plot to get them there with all that sort of *gee whiz* characterization that makes it good. Their reactions to each other's legacy in their respective universes are great, especially what it ultimately says about the Marvel universe.
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What are the reactions?
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Bring back Generation Hex.
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I have the original trades of Crossover Classics 1-4, Marvel vs DC and all four of the Amalgam trades. But this makes me happy for higher quality printings. The early trades aren't the greatest. What I need is All Access and Unlimited Access. Never collected at all. X-O fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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Feb 13, 2024 15:28
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Mr Hootington posted:What are the reactions? If it is the one I remember, whatever caused the crossover made characters more in time with their universes to exaggerate a bit, so captain America saw the perfect-ish DC universe where people make museums and monuments to the heroes as an example of secret fascism, while Superman saw the marvel universe with the inequalities sand loving marvel Canada she was disgusted by the heroes being unwilling or incapable of making the world a better place.
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Siegkrow posted:If it is the one I remember, whatever caused the crossover made characters more in time with their universes to exaggerate a bit, so captain America saw the perfect-ish DC universe where people make museums and monuments to the heroes as an example of secret fascism, while Superman saw the marvel universe with the inequalities sand loving marvel Canada she was disgusted by the heroes being unwilling or incapable of making the world a better place. Yeah, that's the gist. At the end they all realize they're about equal and the same in terms of effort but the Marvel universe just doesn't appreciate its heroes.
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It's official!quote:Burbank, February 13, 2024 — The vast and varied history of DC versus Marvel returns to print for the first time in decades with two massive volumes collecting the universe-bending comic book crossovers between the greatest characters in pop culture! These fantastic stories, originally co-presented by the two powerhouse comic book publishers, have been highly sought after and hard to find for most readers—but they’re making their return in DC Versus Marvel Omnibus and DC/Marvel: The Amalgam Age Omnibus, both publishing on August 6, 2024. https://aiptcomics.com/2024/02/13/dc-marvel-omnibuse-summer-2024/
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Well that's gonna break the bank
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I'm hoping this means future crossovers are possible down the road. And maybe another printing of JLA/Avengers.
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Feb 13, 2024 18:12
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Just setting the stage for the 2030 Secret Crisis teased in Doomsday Clock!
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Feb 13, 2024 18:16
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Both are peaking or running close, so do X-Men vs Titans again.
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Feb 13, 2024 18:26
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Good to see Ben Affleck starring in this week's Batman. Sorrentino dresses it up much much nicer than Land or Larocca but tracing is tracing.
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Feb 13, 2024 18:56
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Tracing, Steven universe, or anime. These are the 3 styles of art now.
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Ooh, omnibuses. That's brutal, but honestly probably one of the few things that'll get me to buy another omnibus. I love my Fourth World one, but they really are kind of a pain to read.
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Feb 13, 2024 21:23
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Darkseid vs. Galactus is well worth the read.
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I can't wait for my X-men 2099 Omnibus. If that gets printed anything can happen.
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catlord posted:Ooh, omnibuses. That's brutal, but honestly probably one of the few things that'll get me to buy another omnibus. I love my Fourth World one, but they really are kind of a pain to read. I bought the ROM omnibus on Kindle and it's delightful
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Beerdeer posted:I bought the ROM omnibus on Kindle and it's delightful Romnibus
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Joe Fisto posted:Romnibus
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Digital omnibuses should be offered for all titles as a default
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I have to wonder if these omnis will be released digitally. One company tends to do so and the other does not. I guess we'll see.
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Oh for gently caress sake. Well add another log on the pile of Joker's origins in this week's Batman. This one being Joker gets trained by one of Batman's (and Ghostmaker's) last trainers who helped him master his fear and emotions (including developing nestled personalities like Zur En Arh) and tried to get him to kill. Bats rebuked him and now he recruits a still developing Joker to be the force of chaos to challenge Batman. Joker develops his own personas. Three of them. Zdarsky does some good stuff, but this? This is getting too indulgent with the Joker jacking off. It's getting as bad as the Batgod stuff.
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Yeah I was all the way on the Zdarsky train with the failsafe story but now I'm all the way off it. I just can't take any more loving stories about how incredibly complex/evil/greatest villain ever the motherfucking Joker is. ... Of course I say that but I also love the current arc in Action Comics where the world gets Bizarro-fied and Superman seeks out Joker to help him be sane
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People keep trying to explain why the Joker is the way he is when Morrison already came up with the perfect explanation. Just stop trying and let it go. I like Zdarsky but his whole Batman run has been pretty bad.
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TwoPair posted:Yeah I was all the way on the Zdarsky train with the failsafe story but now I'm all the way off it. I just can't take any more loving stories about how incredibly complex/evil/greatest villain ever the motherfucking Joker is. Reverse Jokers are honestly fun because each writer has their own idea what a sane or properly heroic Joker looks like and it's still fairly fresh compared to Reverse Batmen which are basically a dime a dozen at this point and has essentially peaked with the Batman Who Laughs. It's played out. City of Madness also ended and is probably non-canon as it posits its own vision of the Joker that doesn't really mesh with anything, but it's a neat diversion nonetheless.
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Xelkelvos posted:Oh for gently caress sake. Well add another log on the pile of Joker's origins in this week's Batman. This one being Joker gets trained by one of Batman's (and Ghostmaker's) last trainers who helped him master his fear and emotions (including developing nestled personalities like Zur En Arh) and tried to get him to kill. Bats rebuked him and now he recruits a still developing Joker to be the force of chaos to challenge Batman. Joker develops his own personas. Three of them. So that's why he deleted his Four Jokers tweet.
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Batman and Robin has been quite delightful with Bruce actually trying to be a normal dad instead of some obsessed psychopath. I mean it is quite a radical change of character compared to how he is in every other book but it's nice seeing Bruce trying to be just a regular dad.
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TwoPair posted:Of course I say that but I also love the current arc in Action Comics where the world gets Bizarro-fied and Superman seeks out Joker to help him be sane
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Why can’t Joker just be a clown who thinks crime is funny? Why do writers need him to be significantly more complex?
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thetoughestbean posted:Why can’t Joker just be a clown who thinks crime is funny? Why do writers need him to be significantly more complex? Same reason as why Batman just can't be a guy who fights crime with his wits and gadgets. Edge & Christian posted:See, I'm lukewarm on the Joker Year One stuff but I can't stand the Bizarro arc. It has a semi-novel pitch in the first part (Superman is vulnerable to magic, so Bizarro is a natural at wielding magic and getting boosted by it) and then when everyone gets Bizzaro-fied it doesn't seem like anything was thought out in any coherent way and it's just a bunch of clever/shocking/'clever'/'shocking' vignettes of how wild and uncrazy a Bizarro Not-World or unwild and crazy a not Unbizzarro Opposite of World would never not unbe and then even that incoherent proposition is set aside to do the big badass Joker reveal at the end of the second issue. It honestly feels like a thing that might've been pitched as a crossover event, but was downgraded to an arc because there wasn't enough ideas for stories in it, so all of the ideas just get shoveled into this one arc and stitched together haphazardly.
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Madkal posted:Batman and Robin has been quite delightful with Bruce actually trying to be a normal dad instead of some obsessed psychopath. I mean it is quite a radical change of character compared to how he is in every other book but it's nice seeing Bruce trying to be just a regular dad. Him getting excited watching Damian try out for soccer was 
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thetoughestbean posted:Why can’t Joker just be a clown who thinks crime is funny? Why do writers need him to be significantly more complex? I agree that for me going back to the past and lore and stuff like these guys Snyder, Hickman etc always do is a pet peeve. The retcons and extra nutty stuff, sometimes there's an elegance in simplicity for sure. That said, on Joker's characterization, I do think there's a bit more to him as a villain than that. And even going back to 70s stuff, the guy has often been pretty scary, and I don't always think finding stuff funny is his sole motivation. He often has quite a sourpuss on at times even in classic comics. I personally also really like the take on Killing Joke, so I think that's the Joker in my headcanon. So I guess a maniac who does ponder things a little bit, I dunno, I'm not the writer here, not sure how to keep Joker fresh for the next 100 years. But I think stuff like him being bored or dejected or trying different things etc seems interesting for example.
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Edge & Christian posted:See, I'm lukewarm on the Joker Year One stuff but I can't stand the Bizarro arc. It has a semi-novel pitch in the first part (Superman is vulnerable to magic, so Bizarro is a natural at wielding magic and getting boosted by it) and then when everyone gets Bizzaro-fied it doesn't seem like anything was thought out in any coherent way and it's just a bunch of clever/shocking/'clever'/'shocking' vignettes of how wild and uncrazy a Bizarro Not-World or unwild and crazy a not Unbizzarro Opposite of World would never not unbe and then even that incoherent proposition is set aside to do the big badass Joker reveal at the end of the second issue.  I was pretty hopeful for this Aaron run, but so far it has been a big disappointment. Bizarro is one of my favorite DC characters but I much prefer the fun humor based take vs the edgy mean spirited take. Classic Deadpool "OK, this is my serious arc" mistake. Batman Off-world is still solid at least.
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