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I just binged 2-5, and I am confused on one thing, how did Crosby Survive when everyone else apparently died. He just kind of pops up and Bubbles is all "i thought you were dead!" and he's all "Nope!". Did he get fished out of the North Sea? Also i really liked that they showed the guy leave babyface in the ball turret, and then juxtaposed that with Druig refusing to leave his copilot who was done for, trying for a landing and crashing. So instead of one dead guy, there's now two. Also in that storyline, I am curious what the infiltrator did to out himself. From the preview, we saw what was obviously concentration camp stuff, which, unless you were a jewish American soldier, POWs were not sent to right away. Though the German POW system was really inconsistent. Some camps were akin to the ones the allies set up for their Axis POWs, prisons but not beaten, starved and tortured constantly, and others were only slightly better than what the soviets POWs got, which was in itself only slightly better than the concentration camps, because remember kids, Slavs were second only to Jews in the Untermenchen chart of the Nazis. I wonder if i has to do with if they were established in the early part of the war or in the later part. I don't think any of the cast has been revealed to be Jewish?
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Feb 16, 2024 05:36
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Almost no Jews from Western Allies were separated or sent to concentration camps. There’s few exceptions, but generally you could expect to be able to wear a Star of David and be treated fine at the POW camp.
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Vahakyla posted:Almost no Jews from Western Allies were separated or sent to concentration camps. There’s few exceptions, but generally you could expect to be able to wear a Star of David and be treated fine at the POW camp. Ah, yea, I read a really great book in my undergrad about POWs with a ton of direct interviews with people who actually were POWs and one Jewish guy was sent to a concentration camp but ended up being sent to a regular camp. He never knew why because the Germans didn't tell him why. I like that we're seeing the air to air rockets the Germans used, as bombers didn't tend to change course it was pretty easy to lead a target with them. I'm waiting to see a Komit or a Me-262 at some point. The opening shows the D-day landings so we know we'll be going that far at least. Or maybe the Ju-88 with the jazz music upgrade. Those wacky Nazis, always thinking of new ways to try to avoid losing the war like the losers they are destined to be.
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twistedmentat posted:I just binged 2-5, and I am confused on one thing, how did Crosby Survive when everyone else apparently died. He just kind of pops up and Bubbles is all "i thought you were dead!" and he's all "Nope!". Did he get fished out of the North Sea? He navigated his plane to an RAF base, apparently "one degree off" and they'd have ended up in the water.
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Feb 16, 2024 07:03
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Holy gently caress only one Bomber from a group of 17 made it to the target and back and with 4 mechanical failures on the way. Just, gently caress.
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Feb 16, 2024 07:07
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its remarkable how much better this show is when its Hunks Having a Bad Time in Planes and not Hunks Having Feelings on the Ground which looks like what we're getting next week
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Feb 16, 2024 08:39
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That was a decent episode. It was much easier to keep track of things during the air battle than it has been previously, despite the obvious chaos of it all.
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Feb 16, 2024 08:40
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Eau de MacGowan posted:its remarkable how much better this show is when its Hunks Having a Bad Time in Planes and not Hunks Having Feelings on the Ground Lol came here to post this.
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Feb 16, 2024 09:41
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Jesus gently caress that was brutal. Not fond of the dramatic slow-mo shot but only one 'hmm...' in an episode aint bad.
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Feb 16, 2024 13:35
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Pretty sure the concentration camp vibes from the preview are only POWs on their way to a Stalag seeing a "special train" in transit. I very much doubt we'll get any actual Holocaust imagery; instead we, the audience, will be able to infer more from those in the cattle cars than the characters can, though they will no doubt assume the worst. Nazis being nazis and all.
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Feb 16, 2024 13:50
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That was a great episode
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Feb 16, 2024 16:22
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Haven't watched it yet are they still in the middle of Black Week October?
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Really enjoyed this episode. I felt it really helped that it stuck with particular planes much longer at a time. Gave me a much better structure and feel for the actual sequence of events. That said, I still suffer from acute goon face blindness and cannot tell anybody apart except for captain handsome, captain dickhead, and Crosby.
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Perestroika posted:That said, I still suffer from acute goon face blindness and cannot tell anybody apart except for captain handsome, captain dickhead, and Crosby. Same here, but then again I binged Band of Brothers and The Pacific and each series had the same issue. Also, the problem is that there are 3 characters who all look like captain dickhead, but the way I tell him apart from the others is that he has a smirk on his face constantly.
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Feb 16, 2024 18:09
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Arc Hammer posted:Haven't watched it yet are they still in the middle of Black Week October? Yup. We still have the second schewinfurt raid coming up too
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Feb 16, 2024 18:37
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George H.W. oval office posted:Yup. We still have the second schewinfurt raid coming up too Geez so they're really going episode by episode on the absolute worst missions the 8th endured.
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Feb 16, 2024 18:41
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They weren't called the Bloody 100th because they liked their steaks rare, after all.
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Feb 16, 2024 18:45
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I think they'll start picking it up timeline wise. Next week looks to be more of a downtime\POW situation. Maybe a jump to D-Day bits and then have a wind down. We are hitting the latter half of the series now and there are only 9 episodes total
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Feb 16, 2024 18:47
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Like intellectually I've always known there were heavy casualities in our daylight bombing campaigns but jeez when that last bomber just had nothing but pieces of bomber falling all around them, that was powerful. They took off with 180 people and more than 120+ missing/dead. How the gently caress did a ton of generals not get loving sacked for that campaign?
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Feb 16, 2024 19:04
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World Wars have bit of a different level of acceptable risk. The objective is not to avoid risk.
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At the time, people in charge were also still quite optimistic about the potential effect of strategic bombing, as it was still a fairly new development. Many genuinely believed that any month now the bombing would critically break Germany's ability and/or will to sustain their war effort. Weighed against the prospect of shortening the war by months or even years, the severe losses of the bomber force would have seemed entirely worth it. It wasn't really until after the war that people figured out that a lot of the raids had less effect than hoped for, and that an industrialized nation is quite capable of absorbing that kind of damage while sustaining a war.
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Eason the Fifth posted:
What’s up OIF I buddy. I was in 2BCT, 3ID. This is all true and then add on top of that the bias of those telling the story. Band of Brothers and Generation Kill both had authors that were pretty tight with certain participants. I’m sure that unconsciously both paint certain leaders in either very flattering or unflattering lights based on that alone. So as a result you get these either super good or super bad leader tropes onscreen.
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In my limited personal experience (OIF I) good leaders were really loving good and hypercompetent in their MOS (especially warrant officers), but bad ones were comically bad and absolutely crushed morale. This was true from squad leaders all the way up to battalion COs. But that said, leadership skill probably falls along a bell curve. Most leaders are just average folks who get things right most of the time, and people don't tend to write books or make movies about them.
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Someone on Reddit (I know…) just posted that it was believed that not painting the B-17s would make them faster, but actually the opposite resulted— it made the bombers slower because the paint had “…made the planes more aerodynamically efficient by filling the rivet dimples and reducing drag” Is there any truth to this? I know I’ve got a couple of books about fighters and fighter pilots that claim not painting them in the latter part of the war did actually add something like 4-5 mph to top speed, simply due to the lower weight.
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That doesn't make any sense to me. The paint is heavy. I can't find it right now, but when the factory made the X thousandth B-17, everyone in the factory signed it. All the extra paint for the signatures weighed the plane down. The crew didn't repaint it when it was delivered and its max speed was several mph slower than the other B-17s. Also, you'd think all the dimples would help make the plane more slippery. The reason why golf balls have all those little divots in them is because it causes a boundary layer around the ball that lets it slip through the air easier.
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Feb 16, 2024 21:28
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Yeah, it did not sound right to me at all either.
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Feb 16, 2024 21:32
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The rivets on the B-17 weren't flush or recessed, they protruded. That might factor in.
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jesus, how much lead was in the paint?
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I’ve been trying to find the book where these figures were cited and not having any luck. But as I recall, it said painting a P-47 generally added ~120 lbs of weight, depending on the camo scheme. I could be off on that, I’m quoting this from memory and I am old.
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Feb 16, 2024 22:53
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A P47 would take an extra 120lbs and shrug before continuing to fly.
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Waxing fighters to get an extra 3-4 knots out of them was absolutely a thing. I don't know if it would pay off for bombers, though.
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MrMojok posted:Someone on Reddit (I know…) just posted that it was believed that not painting the B-17s would make them faster, but actually the opposite resulted— it made the bombers slower because the paint had “…made the planes more aerodynamically efficient by filling the rivet dimples and reducing drag” Anyone that thinks a wartime paint job would be more aerodynamic than bare metal is delusional. Pretty much all modern restorations have paint that is just comically better than what they left the factory wearing, both in formulation and in application quality.
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MrMojok posted:Someone on Reddit (I know…) just posted that it was believed that not painting the B-17s would make them faster, but actually the opposite resulted— it made the bombers slower because the paint had “…made the planes more aerodynamically efficient by filling the rivet dimples and reducing drag” But not painting, wouldn't it lead to more maintenance cause by rusting?
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vuk83 posted:But not painting, wouldn't it lead to more maintenance cause by rusting? Like the plane will last long enough to rust. What are they made out of, stainless steel? Great episode, I hope they don't skip over the morale tanking over these disasterous missions.
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vuk83 posted:But not painting, wouldn't it lead to more maintenance cause by rusting? In addition to a lack of concern about the long-term weathering issues, aluminum is not really known for rust.
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Watched the episode and yeesh, that was getting into Pals Battalions territory.
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Aircraft structures are made from clad aluminum. When you polish it and keep it clean, it’s extraordinarily resistant to corrosion. But ya, wartime aircraft had really short lifespans even when they survived intact. Combat is really rough on airplanes, and other factors would almost always remove them from service well before corrosion was an issue.
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So four episodes left, what do they cover, especially if next week is more downtime and downed pilots running from Germans? There's still Shweinfurt Round 2 to smash the 8th apart one last time before they finally say enough. There's Big Week 1944 and we know they're doing at least a flyover of the Normandy landings. There's the Tuskeegee Airmen who will come as a package deal with long range mustang escorts. There's Stalag Luft III and the prisoner hell march in 1945. There's still a lot to cover and they're not even through the roughest patch of October yet.
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I really hope this doesn't end with them rushing and wishing there were 10 episodes.
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MrYenko posted:Anyone that thinks a wartime paint job would be more aerodynamic than bare metal is delusional. Pretty much all modern restorations have paint that is just comically better than what they left the factory wearing, both in formulation and in application quality. In general maybe but not always. P-51s weren't all bare metal, the wings were filled with putty and painted silver to preserve the laminar air flow as much as possible. Later marks of Spitfire also had the leading edge of the wings filled and a lot of work was put into smoothing out the paint finish.
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