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Trump wouldn't file bankruptcy because that's the last step to loserdom. He can wave off bankruptcy for his companies, he wasn't in control by the time they filed, it was a strategic decision brought on by the thug banks, my partners hosed me over, etc., etc., but personal bankruptcy? That's for losers. Trump is not a loser. Trump never loses. He could literally be on his last penny and he wouldn't do it.
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Feb 17, 2024 14:53
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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:GoFundMe has an interesting rule about what you cannot use it for It says "alleged" not "proven." Badda bing badda boom
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Feb 17, 2024 14:54
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Just get a reverse mortgage on Mar-A-Lago
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Feb 17, 2024 14:54
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Alina Habba and the 40 Trump's.
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Feb 17, 2024 14:54
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kw0134 posted:Trump wouldn't file bankruptcy because that's the last step to loserdom. He can wave off bankruptcy for his companies, he wasn't in control by the time they filed, it was a strategic decision brought on by the thug banks, my partners hosed me over, etc., etc., but personal bankruptcy? That's for losers. Trump is not a loser. Trump never loses. He could literally be on his last penny and he wouldn't do it. Exactly, he'd sell his children into literal slavery before he ever filed for personal bankruptcy.
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Feb 17, 2024 14:55
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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:GoFundMe has an interesting rule about what you cannot use it for Hmmm, wonder if Trump could take the money as long as he didn't try to use it to appeal. Wouldn't technically be for the defense of a financial crime it would be to pay the fine, right?
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Feb 17, 2024 14:57
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Paying the fine isn’t “legal defense” though, is it?
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Feb 17, 2024 14:58
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kw0134 posted:Trump wouldn't file bankruptcy because that's the last step to loserdom. He can wave off bankruptcy for his companies, he wasn't in control by the time they filed, it was a strategic decision brought on by the thug banks, my partners hosed me over, etc., etc., but personal bankruptcy? That's for losers. Trump is not a loser. Trump never loses. He could literally be on his last penny and he wouldn't do it. What are you talking about? Trump has filed for chapter 11 like 4-6 times already.
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Feb 17, 2024 14:59
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I mean yeah it's going to be a mixed bag of lols and disappointments as this whole judgment process plays out, but how I see it in the long run is like It won't kill him but it sure does hurt. And everybody sees it hurt.
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Feb 17, 2024 15:02
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Stoatbringer posted:Paying the fine isn’t “legal defense” though, is it? Regrettable posted:Hmmm, wonder if Trump could take the money as long as he didn't try to use it to appeal. Wouldn't technically be for the defense of a financial crime it would be to pay the fine, right? Good questions!
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Feb 17, 2024 15:03
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Frank Frank posted:What are you talking about? Trump has filed for chapter 11 like 4-6 times already.
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Feb 17, 2024 15:05
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Trump suing GoFundMe to get the pocket change chuds have deposited is a  
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Feb 17, 2024 15:07
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Frank Frank posted:What are you talking about? Trump has filed for chapter 11 like 4-6 times already. Chapter 11 is for businesses, we're talking personal bankruptcy here. He doesn't care about business bankruptcy because he can handwave that away as being someone else's fault. Personal bankruptcy is different because he's admitting that he's broke.
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Feb 17, 2024 15:09
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Data Graham posted:I mean yeah it's going to be a mixed bag of lols and disappointments as this whole judgment process plays out, but how I see it in the long run is like
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Feb 17, 2024 15:09
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The appeal process is going to be hilarious. Last year Trump claimed that he had $400 million in cash available to him. If that were true, that means he should be able to put the necessary funds into escrow for his appeal with no issue. But we all know that's not true. He's literally going to get caught inflating his worth to appeal the judgement against him for the trial where he was found guilty of inflating his worth. 
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Feb 17, 2024 15:09
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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:Good questions!
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Feb 17, 2024 15:10
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kw0134 posted:The sole arbiter of what qualifies is up to GoFundMe. So now it's on them to clarify their TOS. Everything about Trumb is unprecedented because he was UnPresidented!
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Feb 17, 2024 15:11
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Good reminder of what happened with the last big Trump GoFundMe: https://www.npr.org/2023/04/26/1172343738/we-build-the-wall-founder-sentenced-prison quote:Kolfage, 41, told Judge Analisa Torres that he was "remorseful, disgusted, humiliated." He said he had not anticipated the scale of donations that would flood in for the cause and soon found himself drifting away from his initial goal, which he said was "putting a spotlight on the country's broken immigration system." quote:Absent from the case was Bannon, Trump's former top political adviser. He was initially arrested aboard a luxury yacht and faced federal fraud charges along with the other men, but Trump pardoned him during his final hours in office.
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Feb 17, 2024 15:12
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loving when you realize if Trump never became president he would not be facing any of this poo poo
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Feb 17, 2024 15:14
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Gary is a treasure
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Feb 17, 2024 15:15
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Renreeja posted:something I find entertaining about all this is the right following trump into a complete denial of even understanding how the law works. I guess its just following dear leader in whatever charade hes on, but it smacks of the same sortof expert distrust and derision they feel towards scientists. Zulily Zoetrope posted:The big thing I've come to believe about Trump is that he grew up in a white collar mob boss household, and has no idea what laws and crime actually are. Fred taught him to do as the lawyer says, which mostly means shutting up when told to shut up, and occasionally paying an insultingly small settlement while admitting no guilt if you've done something egregious enough that they can't magic it away entirely. This all goes to what I keep thinking about whenever we hear stories about the Trump White House ripping the copper wiring out of the walls or selling off national monuments or just plain pretending the rules don't exist or don't apply to them, or that laws and regulations are for suckers. Their ideal world (as has been said many times, but to restate a bit) is one where the rules are there to keep the riffraff from getting above their station. Themselves, the elect highborn, they don't have to worry about rules. Because after all they're good people. They wouldn't do anything BAD, perish the thought! By definition they can't. They exist in such an insulated world of zero-consequences, where they've all forgotten what it was ever like to have to worry about speeding tickets or paying a bar tab or what their lease agreement says, that if you gave them a new planet to design they would create one that simply has no rules at all. As far as they're concerned the rules are only there for bad people, and they just wouldn't have any of those. You read all these TPW and Gofundme comment threads and it's obvious people have convinced themselves that the entire legal and government structure exists only to perpetuate itself, an endless ouroboros of red tape and meaningless recursive rules designed by a high priesthood to confuse and immobilize normal people. They want to tear it all down. They wanted Trump to tear it all down. What they were saying in 2016 was "sometimes you need to just roll a grenade into Washington DC and blow it all up". They literally think the rulebook should be reduced from football-sized to baseball-sized, where there's like one page of (ten) small bullet points and all the rest can be burned. It's inconceivable that all those rules and laws came about for good reasons, to plug loopholes and avenues of abuse specifically by people like Trump. Those regulations simply shouldn't be there! And until they're gone it's their sacred duty to simply ignore and flout those regulations. See also Elon taking over Twitter and throwing out all the Trust & Safety stuff, firing 80% of the employees and trashing all the anti-abuse language and reinstating all the banned posting supervillains. It's all of a piece where they think those rules are unfair and lovely restrictions on FREE SPEECH and there should be only one rule which is there are no rules. That tweet about him slowly coming to understand painfully why those rules were put in place to begin with. Or people who are like "I don't need insurance, I'll just not crash my car. I don't need health care, I'll just not get sick.  " As though people buy insurance for fun. As though it's something you can control. Yeah it sucks to have to plan for contingencies. But if you don't, poo poo has a tendency to happen. And you can point wildly all around you and say it's THEIR fault!!! all you want but nobody's coming to help you if you wouldn't lift a finger to help them.We've created this rickety edifice called Civilization which is held up by all this scaffolding and gusseting and buttressing in the form of ugly, convoluted legal language. Yeah it would probably be "prettier" if we tore it all out. But then it would fall down. Data Graham fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Feb 17, 2024 |
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Feb 17, 2024 15:22
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Vampire Panties posted:Trump suing GoFundMe to get the pocket change chuds have deposited is a I could see Habba losing that case too
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Feb 17, 2024 15:23
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Eh Trump was probably hosed if HRC had won the presidency. As has been posted itt a few times,  was surviving by laundering Russian oligarch money. Its extraordinarily likely that HRC would've chased after/closed that funnel ( with Romney's help)EDIT Data Graham posted:They exist in such an insulated world of zero-consequences, where they've all forgotten what it was ever like to have to worry about speeding tickets or paying a bar tab or what their lease agreement says, that if you gave them a new planet to design they would create one that simply has no rules at all. As far as they're concerned the rules are only there for bad people, and they just wouldn't have any of those. Nobody in Trump's 2016 orbit has ever had to worry about a bar tab or a speeding ticket, except maybe Bannon.  Every single one of those awful fucks has been unimaginably wealthy since before the Reagan administration. IMO the  appeal of Trump to chuds - they want him to lower the bar of unassailable privilege to being a US-born white christian male.
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Feb 17, 2024 15:24
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:loving Didn’t Melania break down crying on the night Trump won the election? She knew he was such a loving dumb rear end in a top hat that he was going to unravel everything in their lives lmao Vampire Panties posted:Eh Trump was probably hosed if HRC had won the presidency. As has been posted itt a few times, Nah, he opened up the can of worms for sure. He wouldn’t have nearly as many issues if he hadn’t shone the spotlight on himself the way he did. Tumble fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Feb 17, 2024 |
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Feb 17, 2024 15:27
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I honestly could see Kushner bailing Trump out.
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Feb 17, 2024 15:30
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Tumble posted:Didn’t Melania break down crying on the night Trump won the election? Hell, Trump himself looked like he'd just gotten punched in the gut the night he won. He clearly wasn't expecting to win and was likely hoping to parlay his presidential run into a new money-making venture (likely the rumored "Trump TV" which he'd supposedly talked to Sean Hannity about leaving FNC to do). It was probably one of the few clear signs of self-awareness that Trump's ever publicly shown.
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Feb 17, 2024 15:31
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Hollismason posted:I honestly could see Kushner bailing Trump out. Or the Saudis. Or Putin.
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Feb 17, 2024 15:32
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Putin giving the state of NY 355 million USD that he could instead use to buy tanks is a complete non starter of an idea. (Never mind that there isn't a financial institution transacting in NY that would risk touching that money in the first place.) The Saudis might give that money if there was an actual quid pro quo they could extract from Trump but it's extremely unclear what possible leverage he has over them that could be worth that.
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Feb 17, 2024 15:35
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Hell, Trump himself looked like he'd just gotten punched in the gut the night he won. He clearly wasn't expecting to win and was likely hoping to parlay his presidential run into a new money-making venture (likely the rumored "Trump TV" which he'd supposedly talked to Sean Hannity about leaving FNC to do). It was probably one of the few clear signs of self-awareness that Trump's ever publicly shown. quote:Mike Pence went to kiss his wife, Karen, and she turned away from him. “You got what you wanted, Mike,” she said. “Now leave me alone.” She wouldn’t so much as say hello to Trump. Trump himself just stared at the TV without saying anything, like a man with a pair of twos whose bluff has been called. His campaign hadn’t even bothered to prepare an acceptance speech. quote:Before any of the calls could be made, however, the president of Egypt called in to the switchboard at Trump Tower and somehow got the operator to put him straight through to Trump. “Trump was like ... I love the Bangles! You know that song Walk Like an Egyptian?” recalled one of his advisers on the scene.
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Feb 17, 2024 15:36
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Hell, Trump himself looked like he'd just gotten punched in the gut the night he won. He clearly wasn't expecting to win and was likely hoping to parlay his presidential run into a new money-making venture (likely the rumored "Trump TV" which he'd supposedly talked to Sean Hannity about leaving FNC to do). It was probably one of the few clear signs of self-awareness that Trump's ever publicly shown. He didn’t have any plans in place for winning lol It’s hilarious and crazy how awful his presidency was. Trump really is a disaster for the concept of democracy hahaha
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Feb 17, 2024 15:37
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"President bought and paid for by Saudis" is also a hard sell to anyone but the most extreme MAGA e: I should say "overtly" because someone is going to akshully me
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Feb 17, 2024 15:37
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SlurredSpeech609 posted:He hit the ground running though. Holy loving god
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Feb 17, 2024 15:39
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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:Or the Saudis. I doubt it. It’s abundantly clear Putin doesn’t particularly like trump. He was willing to play him while he was president but that seems to be as far as their relationship goes
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Feb 17, 2024 15:40
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kw0134 posted:Putin giving the state of NY 355 million USD that he could instead use to buy tanks is a complete non starter of an idea. (Never mind that there isn't a financial institution transacting in NY that would risk touching that money in the first place.) The Saudis might give that money if there was an actual quid pro quo they could extract from Trump but it's extremely unclear what possible leverage he has over them that could be worth that. Yeah its a nonsensical investment. Spending 500m or whatever on a dude who notoriously fucks over everyone on the premise that he'll win the presidency and somehow reciprocate is a non-starter. The Sauds would rather spend a 1b bribing an actual president, or a shitload of senators. Also Putin has very little reason to bail out Trump - The US is still in NATO, and now its law that the US cannot leave NATO without it passing Congress. MTG and the HFC shitheels can gently caress with funding for Ukraine, a non-NATO country, but if Putin were to invade Poland or whatever, all the treaties of the last seventy years kick in w/o presidential intervention.
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Feb 17, 2024 15:41
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I wasn't suggesting it would be overt, they could all "stay" at his properties for example (just like they did when they were buying influence when he was POTUS)
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Feb 17, 2024 15:43
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Bill Clinton's transition team was also famously chaotic.
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Feb 17, 2024 15:43
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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:I wasn't suggesting it would be overt, they could all "stay" at his properties for example (just like they did when they were buying influence when he was POTUS) There are a lot more people looking at his finances right now, some are court appointed.
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Feb 17, 2024 15:44
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Like this thread way way overestimates how connected trump is to Putin. Putin plays politics and Trump was president so of course he played trump. But there isn’t some deep friendship there
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Feb 17, 2024 15:44
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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:I wasn't suggesting it would be overt, they could all "stay" at his properties for example (just like they did when they were buying influence when he was POTUS) Nah, they're not going to do a thing to help Trump (including staying at his properties), because it's looking increasingly unlikely they'd get any return on their investment. E: also, as MuscaDomestica said, there are various entities looking into Trump's finances. A sudden surge of wealthy people from Saudi Arabia staying at Trump properties (or a few people spending very bigly at his properties) is going to raise more than a few financial red flags. Sydney Bottocks fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Feb 17, 2024 |
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RVWinkle posted:Bill Clinton's transition team was also famously chaotic. Yea but he had political experience so he still had like, clear goals he wanted to accomplish. Trump didn’t know a single loving thing about organizing a political team. And after 4 years as president I think he still doesn’t.
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Feb 17, 2024 15:46
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