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FishFood posted:I always say that the pilot episode is how they got the suits to agree to the show before quickly pivoting from "what if family guy was star trek" to "TNG in 25 minutes". I'm also convinced that this was how The Orville was snuck past Fox executives.
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Alchenar posted:The character hasn't actually grown, they've done the comedy show thing of pretending to have growth while secretly resetting everything after the episode ends because the core character traits and the resulting cast dynamics are where all the comedy comes from. And that's not really a bad thing, it's why every comedy show does this! This is simply not true. Sure you could argue that there are certain core character traits that will never fully change (which is true), but also do you think that Season 1 Boimler could become acting Captain of the Ceritos during a crisis situation without having a full blown freakout.
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MikeJF posted:Disagree, because all of the recent Mariner stuff was pretty clearly seeded heavily from the start. But I do think they have tuned presentation as they found themselves. I'd chalk that up more to finding a good way to capitalize on early missteps rather than a well-orchestrated plan. Which, to my mind, is an even more impressive laurel for the writers.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:This is simply not true. Sure you could argue that there are certain core character traits that will never fully change (which is true), but also do you think that Season 1 Boimler could become acting Captain of the Ceritos during a crisis situation without having a full blown freakout. 1x01 Boimler https://i.imgur.com/OkNOEvT.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/2UWuDVQ.mp4 4x08 Boimler https://i.imgur.com/m3ALOIO.mp4
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I mean that just shows who Boimler.
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MikeJF posted:1x01 Boimler Amazing.
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now THAT'S character development
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MikeJF posted:1x01 Boimler Truly the character progression we should all aspire to.
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Alchenar posted:The character hasn't actually grown, they've done the comedy show thing of pretending to have growth while secretly resetting everything after the episode ends because the core character traits and the resulting cast dynamics are where all the comedy comes from. And that's not really a bad thing, it's why every comedy show does this! 
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I mean for one thing she gets along with her mom now, and she's earned Ransom's respect
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MikeJF posted:1x01 Boimler i love lower decks
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Lower Decks is better than it has any right to be but still has room for improvement. It's a fun spot to be in.
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Also, I can't define or explain why even in those fraction of a second clips the animation looks so much better in the later one, but it really does.
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MikeJF posted:Also, I can't define or explain why even in those fraction of a second clips the animation looks so much better in the later one, but it really does. No, the animation has improved over the seasons, and especially the facial acting of the characters has gotten a lot better. In particular, the scene where Boimler and Rutherford are arguing over whether or not Nick Lorcano looks like Tom Paris is particularly well facially animated. If you watch a recent LD episode back to back with something like Family Guy or Crapopolis, the difference is striking.
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A.o.D. posted:No, the animation has improved over the seasons, and especially the facial acting of the characters has gotten a lot better. In particular, the scene where Boimler and Rutherford are arguing over whether or not Nick Lorcano looks like Tom Paris is particularly well facially animated. he looks like tom paris!! https://i.imgur.com/mwkhobi.mp4
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Mx. posted:he looks like tom paris!! Huh, in gif form you can see the trick they pull where Freeman moves just a little in the centre of the screen to distract you from the fact that every other character in the background is entirely static.
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Alchenar posted:Huh, in gif form you can see the trick they pull where Freeman moves just a little in the centre of the screen to distract you from the fact that every other character in the background is entirely static. Other than tendi's eyebrows
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Azhais posted:Other than tendi's eyebrows Ransom blinks too
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Over the course of the last few years I went through all the old Star Trek (even Enterprise) shows one episode a day and eventually ran out of them. So I picked Prodigy, Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds as my next watch. Of the three I was most skeptical of LD and SNW (one was an adult cartoon comedy and the other a live-action prequel to TOS). And I gotta say I'm pleasently surprised. Prodigy is my favorite, but the other two have been quite fun. And man, do I just love the retro-futuristic aesthetics of Strange New Worlds. Feels like they took TOS' designs and modernized them.
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TuxedoOrca posted:And man, do I just love the retro-futuristic aesthetics of Strange New Worlds. Feels like they took TOS' designs and modernized them.
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Mx. posted:he looks like tom paris!! They're doing some really good work on the keyframes there. When's the last time you saw a head tilt vertically as part of a simple conversation animation? (talking about Rutherford's animation, here)
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The facial animation really pays off with T'lyn. She's so subtle and it's done extremely well.
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thuly posted:The facial animation really pays off with T'lyn. She's so subtle and it's done extremely well. I have a crackpot theory that T'lyn may have a slight thing for Boimler, and it's mostly based on this one frame:  Literally everyone else is looking at the viewscreen as they approach the Binar shield. But T'Lyn glances over at Boimler as he's doing his captain shtick.
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You could definitely get an episode out of that idea. T'Lyn: "I have begun to find Lieutenant Boimler... intriguing" Tendi: "Omigosh that's so great, you two would be so cute together!!!" Mariner: "I... wha... you and Boims?!? *retches*"
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When T'Lyn's time comes she's going to turn Boimler into dust.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I have a crackpot theory that T'lyn may have a slight thing for Boimler, and it's mostly based on this one frame: Also, she’s doing the ever-so-slight Vulcan grin
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Gaz-L posted:You could definitely get an episode out of that idea. Nah, Mariner would be happy. But she'd also caution T'Lyn to check for weird love parasites.
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T'Lyn looked horrified when Boimler got blown up when they were on the ring planet with the faulty AI, she tried to hide it but really couldn't. She's definitely come to appreciate him if nothing else.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I have a crackpot theory that T'lyn may have a slight thing for Boimler, and it's mostly based on this one frame: I have the same theory based on that exact frame. Also T'Lyn has been portrayed as being thirsty (for a Vulcan) like three different times.
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thuly posted:I have the same theory based on that exact frame. Also T'Lyn has been portrayed as being thirsty (for a Vulcan) like three different times. Sent to the most logical posting, then.
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Be careful, T'Lyn. Just ask T'Pol what happens when you get thirsty for a human.
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This the Vulcan colloquialism “Once you go human, you can never resume an optimal career path.”
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:T'Lyn looked horrified when Boimler got blown up when they were on the ring planet with the faulty AI, she tried to hide it but really couldn't. She's definitely come to appreciate him if nothing else. I went back and checked this episode again and T'Lyn is also the only one leaning in and holding the edge of the bed when Boimler is revived.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I have a crackpot theory that T'lyn may have a slight thing for Boimler, and it's mostly based on this one frame: It's not quite that moment in Insurrection with Riker and the Trill helmswoman but it's probably as close as we'll get from a cartoon Vulcan
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thuly posted:I have the same theory based on that exact frame. Also T'Lyn has been portrayed as being thirsty (for a Vulcan) like three different times. "And this is where we saw the Priest with an eight-pack." Also, pretty sure if T'Lyn ever melded with Boimler he'd probably become his perfect self until it wore off. Boimler is written as desirable because he's just insecure enough for it to be cute (and something to "fix") but you can't say he doesn't have drive and goals. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Feb 18, 2024 |
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I have a crackpot theory that T'lyn may have a slight thing for Boimler, and it's mostly based on this one frame: It's been pretty clear T'Lyn has has a weird thing for Boimler since their first away mission together on the ringworld. I don't know if it's romantic, but she is definitely fascinated by him.
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she wants to know if she can pull off that hair colour
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nine-gear crow posted:It's been pretty clear T'Lyn has has a weird thing for Boimler since their first away mission together on the ringworld. I don't know if it's romantic, but she is definitely fascinated by him. Boiler must be fascinating to a Vulcan - powerful emotions which trip him up and cause him a lot of pain, but he overcomes them through force of will and believing in something greater than himself. He's almost a proto-Vulcan.
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I think they absolutely planted the seeds of T'Lyn having a thing for Boimler. I saw someone describe her as 'the Vulcan version of Mariner' and I think that describes why I think the character is a much better story counterpart to Boimler than actual Mariner. Boimler's self-reinforcing and escalating neurosis works better with a straight man character providing that contrasting response to the situation.
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It also sets up a good character moment for late season 5 where they can reunite with Tendi to end the season long arc and she'll see Boimlynn being overly familiar and make a comment about how she was gone for 6 months and everything has changed.
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