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Kirk wiped out the last remnants or only known specimen of multiple sentient species because it was the quicker solution than finding a way to communicate, so it's kind of a running theme in the franchise. I think you're thinking of the episode where Phlox discovers that a pre-warp species is slowly dying off because of a genetic flaw on a planet where a second humanoid race is kept in a subservient role. The subservient humanoids are going through an evolutionary revolution, with the current generation capable of far higher intellectual pursuits than previous generations. They're immune to the genetic flaw and Phlox predicts that in a few hundred of a thousand years, not only will the current ruling humanoids be extinct, but the subservient humanoids will be dominant and flourishing. Archer has to decide if he should "play God" and save the dying species or "remain neutral" and let nature take its course. He decides on the latter and Phlox is thrilled. Archer gives a speech about how "until there's some kind of directive telling me what to do, I have to go with my gut" and in this case his gut flip-flopped from "saving the people begging for help" to "well, this is totally within our power to fix, but it's best not to get involved". I do think Enterprise has been surprisingly good at exploring the conflicting values of the different species collaborating with humanity at this point. You have the pathogen and parasite riddled Kreetassans who take offense at things that humans couldn't possibly anticipate as offensive; then there are the Denobulans who absolutely do not keep subservient lower mammalians around for fun; and of course we have the arrogant to a fault Vulcans who humans want to see as equals but end up seeing as obstacles. The conversation between T'Pol and Phlox about dating humans was also another really good character moment in the show for highlighting this. Phlox's polyamory has been an excellent insight into cultural clashes that Starfleet is certain to encounter repeatedly.
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Didn't TOS have a cowboy planet? I have vague memories of them transporting down to a planet and its one of the ones where it has like an orange backdrop and there were some old west building facades around...
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Interfering with a cowboy planet should be against the Prime Directive, even if they've had first contact. You can't risk modernizing a cowboy planet.
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Boxturret posted:Didn't TOS have a cowboy planet? I have vague memories of them transporting down to a planet and its one of the ones where it has like an orange backdrop and there were some old west building facades around... That was a simulation to gently caress around with the team, they could see how it was a film set.
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Here's Redlettermedia having some fun being real picky bastards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzJqarYU5Io
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MikeJF posted:That was a simulation to gently caress around with the team, they could see how it was a film set. I love the set design on that episode. They could probably have shot on an actual Wild West set, but instead they set up some facades and some set dressing on a soundstage. It communicated the artificiality of the environment to serve the theme of the episode, and the striking red backgrounds work wonderfully as a design element. And it was probbaly way cheaper than borrowing time on a real wild west set. Art thrives on constraints. This was one of the best examples.
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:There was at least gangster planet and Nazi planet. Cowboy planet would have fit right in. Also the months they were stuck in 1930s New York having to get regular jobs while they waited for Edith Keeler to get hit by a truck.
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Cowboy planets are good fun, but the nazi planet founded by a guy trying to do naziism right was real weird.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Cowboy planets are good fun, but the nazi planet founded by a guy trying to do naziism right was real weird. I thought I could make a Jim Jones world work! It was going to be a Utopia, I don't know what went wrong!!!
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:It was a nice twist on the "people sneaking around pop out in an unintended and awkward location" gag 
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/JunkballMedia/status/1758589568142410001 Somebody remastered it and you can play it online. https://borgremastered.com/
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This moment is one of my favourite bits of DS9, I'm not even sure why
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Taear posted:This moment is one of my favourite bits of DS9, I'm not even sure why It's the way Sisko turns to look off into the distance after they leave. What are they up to? No. I'm better off not knowing.
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FuturePastNow posted:It's the way Sisko turns to look off into the distance after they leave. What are they up to? No. I'm better off not knowing. It's a very Sgt Schultz moment from a character you wouldn't expect to have one but it makes perfect sense in the episode's story.
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FuturePastNow posted:It's the way Sisko turns to look off into the distance after they leave. What are they up to? No. I'm better off not knowing. "There is no way my life can enriched or improved by knowing why that just happened."
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FuturePastNow posted:It's the way Sisko turns to look off into the distance after they leave. What are they up to? No. I'm better off not knowing. Top 10 Sisko moment imo
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Fighting Trousers posted:"There is no way my life can enriched or improved by knowing why that just happened." "And I can live with it."
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Somebody remastered it and you can play it online. https://borgremastered.com/ He calls them AI remasters because he's painfully British and doesn't like taking credit for things, but he puts a ton of work into them. I ripped the DVDs of Fox's old miniseries ROAR for him, which was Heath Ledger's big break that wasn't so he could upscale and preserve them and he's gotten messages from cast and crew members thanking him for his work. He's a giant sweetie.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Cowboy planets are good fun, but the nazi planet founded by a guy trying to do naziism right was real weird. Turns out it was the snazzy uniforms and vegetarian diet causing the authoritarian crackdown, not the other way around.
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The next time I try a Nazi planet, I'm going to make them wear bright yellow uniforms and see if that makes things different!
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The key is to have the swastika pointing the other direction, like the Buddhist one.
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LividLiquid posted:Owen's an internet friend of mine! We met on a Discord and video call from time to time. His channel is nothing but HD remasters he does of abandoned properties. Oh poo poo. He remastered That Michell and Webb Look?! And Wing Commander? This guy is my hero.
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The premise of the Nazi planet is so ridiculous too. "We all know that fascism is the most efficient form of government, so naturally if we could just keep them doing the fascism part of fascism, it would be the most effective way to modernize and uplift a society!"
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Also Fascism is a ludicrously inefficient form of government, and the idea that it is otherwise is, in itself, Fascist propaganda.
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Apollodorus posted:Also Fascism is a ludicrously inefficient form of government, and the idea that it is otherwise is, in itself, Fascist propaganda. Not to get too PolSci in here but fascism isn't a form of government. It's an ideology that can inform how a government is formed or operates. If you mean totalitarianism. And matters of "efficiency" is such a broad topic, I won't go into it, there are aspects of dictatorial/totalitarian regimes that are in fact more efficient than democracies or hybrid states. Executive flexibility means a lot in certain situations. Historically, the gains don't outweigh the losses of human rights and general stability, but it isn't just propaganda to say they can be more efficient.
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Sash! posted:The next time I try a Nazi planet, I'm going to make them wear bright yellow uniforms and see if that makes things different!
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AlternateNu posted:Not to get too PolSci in here but fascism isn't a form of government. It's an ideology that can inform how a government is formed or operates. If you mean totalitarianism. And matters of "efficiency" is such a broad topic, I won't go into it, there are aspects of dictatorial/totalitarian regimes that are in fact more efficient than democracies or hybrid states. Executive flexibility means a lot in certain situations. Historically, the gains don't outweigh the losses of human rights and general stability, but it isn't just propaganda to say they can be more efficient. Okay everybody, we gotta make sure this poster never get stranded on a primitive planet.
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dr_rat posted:Okay everybody, we gotta make sure this poster never get stranded on a primitive planet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6RfltyAg7Q
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AlternateNu posted:Well, you're on your own now. Hope you can handle it. 
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Well my attempt at fascism won't fail because I chose a planet without a single indigenous face-eating leopard on it. 
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Apollodorus posted:Also Fascism is a ludicrously inefficient form of government, and the idea that it is otherwise is, in itself, Fascist propaganda. The idea has a weird amount of traction in pop culture, and I'm not sure why. I think maybe even more back in those days they were still riding the idea of the Nazis as the valiant adversary of the free world that maybe could've won if we hadn't fought them hard enough. Maybe there wasn't much popular analysis on internal German politics yet. Maybe the idea was just freedom could be seen as innefficient.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The idea has a weird amount of traction in pop culture, and I'm not sure why. I think maybe even more back in those days they were still riding the idea of the Nazis as the valiant adversary of the free world that maybe could've won if we hadn't fought them hard enough. Maybe there wasn't much popular analysis on internal German politics yet. There's a lot of gnashing of teeth that the wealthy elite just know better than the unwashed masses and having to do everything through democratic channels significantly slows down our response time in addition to the risk that the people just get it wrong. There's a whole lot of "well Hitler made Germany's economy the most powerful in the world following the Great Depression so he was clearly doing something right" apologia as well.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The idea has a weird amount of traction in pop culture, and I'm not sure why. I think maybe even more back in those days they were still riding the idea of the Nazis as the valiant adversary of the free world that maybe could've won if we hadn't fought them hard enough. Maybe there wasn't much popular analysis on internal German politics yet. It's related to the "clean Wehrmacht" myth that got started in the 1950s, as NATO was still getting used to idea of Germany (West Germany, at least) being on their side now. If everyone pretended that all the Nazi atrocities had come from a few bad eggs at the top, it was a lot easier to accept their new allies as gallant warriors who had simply been misled. The Reich as a whole could then be considered an experiment that had gone tragically off the rails, instead of being rotten to the core from the beginning. Hence we have weird little artifacts like the TOS episode in question, in which the Nazis, despite their flaws, were believed to be more "efficient".
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TOS is an interesting mashup of contemporary political thought and counter culture because you have the "well obviously fascism is short-term the best way to organize a people" alongside the alternative Earth episode where they worship the Constitution, but Kirk soapboxes at the end about how the Constitution is meaningless if you don't apply it equally to American citizens and communists alike!
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That episode came out in 1968. Imagine if the next season of SNW came out and there's an episode about a planet where someone used the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party (ruling party of Iraq) as their model for government and society.
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Be real, just look at the way Klingons do things -- and they're (mostly) allies. I really wish we'd gotten to see more of how that worked. I bet that, Khitomer Accords aside, the Klingons are actually really scared of Humans because we've demonstrated a far greater capacity for cruelty than anything in their culture. It's in their interests to placate us, because if they ever really got on our bad side it would not go well for them.
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What if they find a planet where somebody wanted to try following the teachings of Khan Noonian Singh without the whole World War 3 thing and we get more exploring what the Genetics Wars were about. Everybody sounds like Ricardo Montalban.
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I think the German thing was based on popular understanding of the Nazis (who were relatively recent enemies - James Doohan lost a finger at Normandy) rather than economic analysis, which came along later and revealed that, at best, Hitler's willingness to spend money provided Keynesian stimulus in the pre-war years. And after that it was all a crapulous mess sustained mostly on pillaging Europe.
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SlothfulCobra posted:What if they find a planet where somebody wanted to try following the teachings of Khan Noonian Singh without the whole World War 3 thing and we get more exploring what the Genetics Wars were about. And would be played by Brent Spiner. Every role.
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SlothfulCobra posted:What if they find a planet where somebody wanted to try following the teachings of Khan Noonian Singh without the whole World War 3 thing and we get more exploring what the Genetics Wars were about. "Here we are in New Melbourne" "Aaaahh, wrong, this is New Montalban."
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