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Quantum of Phallus posted:how much are HBO paying these loving morons Please you don't recognize good tv, as others said: sethsez posted:Good TV is when everyone is at their breaking point all the time in a small town haunted by metaphors (/s, in case it isn't clear)
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:In retrospect, the Tsalal station bros were remarkably cool about their murder partner slowly breaking down about killing his girlfriend and vanishing for long stretches of time to build an evidence dump. They essentially accelerated it by isolating him and letting him cry in his room all the time, which unfortunately feels fairly true to life. There's no way they wouldn't have resented him for bringing an activist onto the base in the first place.
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Feb 19, 2024 12:30
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Quantum of Phallus posted:how much are HBO paying these loving morons Is it kind of weird that was published minutes after the episode aired? Or did he write it based on an advanced copy? I don't really know how Tv "reviews" normally work. Don't they normally only get the first few episodes?
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Feb 19, 2024 12:42
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Depends on the show, usually ahead of broadcast reviewers will get 2-4 episodes in advance. They probably let them watch them a day or two ahead to get articles out immediately.
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Feb 19, 2024 12:49
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Yeah they had access to the entire season, the Forbes guy who hated it says so here.
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Feb 19, 2024 12:51
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DaveKap posted:I really thought Star Trek Discovery would be the only thing I hate watch in 2024 but this finale really took the cake. I can't stop thinking of random things. This show is worse, significantly worse, than Discovery. And Discovery is really bad. This show is like of every single plot line is the turbo lift fight. If the lord is merciful there will be no more True Detective shows after this.
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Feb 19, 2024 12:52
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Is the audience supposed to root for Danvers and Navarro while they're torturing a guy with zero evidence that he did anything wrong? This show is like the "more women drone pilots" of television.
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Feb 19, 2024 12:56
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my bony fealty posted:Is the audience supposed to root for Danvers and Navarro while they're torturing a guy with zero evidence that he did anything wrong?
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Feb 19, 2024 13:04
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im sure hank would have lived if he had not been hank
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VagueRant posted:To be fair, he had just cracked Navarro over the head with a fire extinguisher for no reason. And he had a tool in his workshop that looked like a murder weapon. So torture and summary executions are A-OK. (to be fair, the workshop was also the scene of the crime but the lynch mob did not have Annie's phone they could know this)
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Feb 19, 2024 13:12
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VagueRant posted:To be fair, he had just cracked Navarro over the head with a fire extinguisher for no reason. Probably because the insane cops were chasing him yelling at him while waving their guns around
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Feb 19, 2024 13:12
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Pulling off "this character is doing lovely things and making risky decisions, but we still root for them" is difficult and the writers in this one didn't have anywhere near the skill enough to do it. It requires at minimum some investment in the character's wellbeing and justification for why the lovely thing they're doing is the best course of action or a reasonable one at least. Rust going back in with the meth motorcycle guys and the shitshow that follows is an example of doing this incredibly well. It's risky, it puts Marty in danger, it makes sense, and it pays off both in plot - they get their lead - and mechanics, by culminating in one of the best scenes in the show at the stash house. Danvers and Navarro going complete rogue and turning to extreme violence as the default makes no sense beyond "they are lovely people and it'll be great to see the bad man tortured." The payoff is bad man explaining exactly how the crime was committed (I suppose it's supposed to matter that he lies about not participating) and then a thrown-in confession to lazily wrap up the mine plot. It sucks rear end!!
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Feb 19, 2024 13:23
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Didn't Rust throw a metal toolbox at a guy's head and beat info out of him just to get a lead in, like, the second episode? All of the True Detectives have been Cops.
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Feb 19, 2024 13:46
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Rust and Marty doing awful poo poo in their capacities as police gets excused by the implicit morality of the show because they're actively doing detective work and chasing down leads and getting closer to resolving the case. It's not okay that Rust absolutely hosed that dude up with a toolbox, but it led to the hillbilly bunny ranch, so we whistle past it. It's their transgressions as people that come back to haunt them (Rust's increased isolation and declining health and desire to kill himself, the dissolution of Marty's family). In Night Country, we don't ... really see a whole lot of detective work, so there's very little to whistle past in the name of "well they're working a case." But the same sorts of personal transgressions are present, so it's like, okay well we cheered for the lovely people in season one because they were legitimately great detectives, but the lovely people in season four don't seem to be great detectives at all, so what are we meant to do?
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Feb 19, 2024 13:59
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Ok, now that the finale has aired, is it better than any of the seasons?
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I think it's better than 2 but that's about it. It has a meandering quality but less so. 2 has some incredible scenes but you have to sit through a lot of bullshit, this one has a more consistent quality to it but man, whoever scored this thing sucks. I do get the sense that they were making it up as they went along, and there would've been a way better way to tie this thing up if they actually planned the previous episodes with their conclusion in mind.
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Feb 19, 2024 14:12
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My theory is that there were some elements of production (HBO side?) that intentionally aided in tanking this season. There had to be some purposefulness behind how bad it was. Maybe to finally retire the True Detective brand. Maybe it had so much status it would always have to be made whilst not deliver views. I don't know. We got s1 and the sountrack to s2 out of it so meh. thank you td for introducing me to lera lynn and black mountain.
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Feb 19, 2024 14:13
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The only thing that would've topped some of the needle drops of this season would be a scene where Danvers snorts cocaine to Eric Clapton's "Cocaine".
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Feb 19, 2024 14:19
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I’m still sticking with the show being written entirely by ai, and not just the show but the good reviews as well. Director might be ai as well.
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Why did they even have a secret hatch to their ice drilling room, when they were openly telling people "yeah we're here to drill for ice cores and study them"? Like even the high school teacher knew they were after some special ice bacteria. A secret hatch and ladder just seems like a huge waste of time. They were storing samples out in the open upstairs, which means they had to go through all the bullshit and carrying them up the secret hatch.
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Feb 19, 2024 14:21
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nwin posted:Ok, now that the finale has aired, is it better than any of the seasons? No
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DaveKap posted:"That's just to make the world feel lived in, like the AI posters the characters generated on their own because they're so depressed," is what the extremely fantastic show runner would say. Close. I don't recall the Tweets 100% but I think it'd be a tad more like "We were brainstorming how the night should look in the Alaskan winter and somebody laughed and suggested that we ask a 14 year old. Which would be ironic because kids don't learn about these things anymore since they have phones. So we took the thought further and figured the teenager would delegate this to ChatGPT which had just come out and was making a lot of mistakes in the early renditions. It's kind of both a dig at modern youth culture and overreliance on technology at the same time."
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That was maybe the most contrivance-packed hour of television I have ever seen. At the end I have the impression that the supernatural elements of the show are absolutely real. The most obvious part is the ghosts directing characters to new locations or new information. Those (evil, evil!!!) scientists still didn’t die of the cold, but from whatever malevolent spirit lurked in the area and was called up by their digging and hilariously spontaneous group murder. Hence the bizarre wounds matching Otis’s and all the “she’s awake” bits. And don’t forget the little Exorcist ripoff in the hospital with the survivor. The tongue (perfectly preserved for how many years?) would tie into the idea of a Tupilaq https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupilaq . I would give the writers credit for this but I’m assuming they simply watched The Terror.
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Born too early for indistinguishable ai set dressing Born too late for human made set dressing Born just in time for BALCKMERALL
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Did I miss something? Who kept Annie's tongue and then dropped it off at the station? As she was a vocal protestor the tongue might have relevance there but I think the point is to find a body with its tongue cut somewhere the public will learn of it. But I'm not going to fault anyone for this as it seems unlikely this was the intention.
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Bright Bart posted:Did I miss something? Who kept Annie's tongue and then dropped it off at the station? I think the idea is that the people in the house really could've been bullshitting about what they did at Tsalal.
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Bright Bart posted:Did I miss something? Who kept Annie's tongue and then dropped it off at the station? I think the implication we're supposed to take away from the final episode is that it was ghosts.
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Panzeh posted:I think the idea is that the people in the house really could've been bullshitting about what they did at Tsalal. How much did they have to be paying these nerds to do this for at least a decade with no end in sight? Some of them weren't exactly 20 year olds who planned to do it for a while then retire to an island at 45. Was Silver Sky supplying them with sex workers, drugs, gaming PCs and rare skins on Fortnite, illicit pornography, and crypto to keep morale up? e: There's a joke somewhere that their living conditions were still more spacious and better than if they were consultants in Silicon Valley or adjunct professors in New York
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General Dog posted:It was better than House of Usher at least The night club scene was better than the entirety of this season.
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A tip for all the clueless Alaskans out there in dark country: you should be wearing gloves or you'll freeze your loving fingers off. Also, try holding a frost-covered metal hatch closed with your unprotected hand for an hour.
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Well that was a dud. Not as big of a dud as S2 but then I was expecting a lot more from S2. The fact that this got the True Detective label was something of a deterrent for me initially because I would've happily taken just a "Jodie Foster is a jaded cop in Alaska" show instead of spooooky ghosts because this is True Detective. It's been a while but S3 had almost none of that in it, right? It was just Ali's character losing his mind and having flashbacks as I recall. Some good performances but in service of very little. Also holy smokes the CGI animals were animated poorly, I knew I was in for a rough go when the first minute of the first episode made me laugh at the suicidal digi-caribou.
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nwin posted:Ok, now that the finale has aired, is it better than any of the seasons? Worst True Detective season of them all, would watch again VagueRant posted:People got way too up in arms by the tiny season 1 references that I didn't even notice, and I get the impression they were a studio decision, given this wasn't even conceived as a True Detective story - but even I WINCED at 'time is a flat circle'. Nooooooo. Oooof. I laughed so hard at that stupid orange peel. HermitSupplier fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Feb 19, 2024 |
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I still like the idea that nothing was actually supernatural because the implication would be that the researcher in the hospital just said some entirely delirious shite in a different voice before expiring and it just happened to be the one thing that would freak Navarro out.Stare-Out posted:It's been a while but S3 had almost none of that in it, right? It was just Ali's character losing his mind and having flashbacks as I recall. Season 3 has some creepy cult red herrings. And the suggestion given by characters on the show that the case is connected with Marty's and Rustin's, so (to them) possibly supernatural by proxy but hints of that weren't seen in the case itself. Bright Bart fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Feb 19, 2024 |
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Bright Bart posted:Did I miss something? Who kept Annie's tongue and then dropped it off at the station? The spooky ghost!
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The Twist and Shout dirge had me wheeze laughing. I love how the scientist dude took the time to reset Ferris Bueller's infinite day off.
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I would have loved for the two seasons that didn't take themselves seriously to have had a cross-over. Like Danvers and Navarro are making their way through the platform and suddenly the entire cast of the Vinci shootout rolls through still firing and not taking any notice of our two leads. All the actors from SE02 have aged to proper amount as well.
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Story over, and this season was a mess. The ending at least was satisfying, but I don't know why the The Ice cave entrance was hidden. They're drilling ice cores, it stand to reason they'd have access to the down below ice. I lol'd at Marva Dursley telling Prior to look away and why. I didn't hate it like so many of you, but it was my least favorite season.
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Bright Bart posted:I still like the idea that nothing was actually supernatural because the implication would be that the researcher in the hospital just said some entirely delirious shite in a different voice before expiring and it just happened to be the one thing that would freak Navarro out. Well, the non supernatural explanation is that Navarro has inherited the same schizophrenia that affected her mother and sister.
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my bony fealty posted:Is the audience supposed to root for Danvers and Navarro while they're torturing a guy with zero evidence that he did anything wrong? To be fair, them being terrible cops has been consistent all season. They arrest and release people basically at random; assault fellow officers and civilians; murder suspects and coworkers and then cover it up, sleep with superior officers, and proceed with policework based on non-expert testimony that turns out to be 100% wrong! Maybe that’s the joke, a show called True Detective ends with them covering up 15 different murders and suicide. Edit: It still makes me laugh that the murder conspirators come over to have a party AFTER midnight during the storm of the century. We know the storm is still bad because Rose is listening to the radio when the guy announces it’s New Year’s day. Who the gently caress goes to a New Year’s party after midnight? Ever yone I’ve gone to has been over by like, 1230. It’s the one type of party that people don’t malinger. Golden Bee fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Feb 19, 2024 |
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