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Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


the osprey was ordered because of the failures of operation: eagle claw, the mission to extract american hostages from iran in 1980. that mission failed after delta force murdered some fuel smugglers and then flew straight into a haboob, disabling 3 of the 8 helicopters involved, and then everyone left in a huff. but the osprey intakes have killed dozens of marines because their air intakes didn't have adequate filters so if they suck in a bit of dust they immediately crash

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Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

Apparently the new army SIG pistol is not drop safe and has an issue with the frame exploding when using duty ammo lol

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Hatebag posted:

the osprey was ordered because of the failures of operation: eagle claw, the mission to extract american hostages from iran in 1980. that mission failed after delta force murdered some fuel smugglers and then flew straight into a haboob, disabling 3 of the 8 helicopters involved, and then everyone left in a huff. but the osprey intakes have killed dozens of marines because their air intakes didn't have adequate filters so if they suck in a bit of dust they immediately crash

well you see the only reason the mission failed is because the helicopters didnt have enough range so they had to refuel in the middle of the desert in the middle of a sandstorm on the ground in the middle of iran

if they could have flown all the way to tehran in one go, they could have saved the hostages!!!!!!!!

that was the only flaw in an otherwise perfect plan

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:


If I understand correctly, the 416 is basically a loving M4 with a piston. And, like yes G36 was neat. FN 2000 was neat. Not neat enough to replace cold war stocks while they were still around. SCAR L and XM 8, same deal. Those rifles came 25 and 10 years too soon, respectively, because any of the four would need to be purchased now. That’s what’s so smart about the MIC strategy here.

More or less it’s an AR-15 out side with the gas system of an AR-18, in theory there’s some issues wear but it’s an absurdly reliable gun, compared to both the AR and AK platforms. It’ll cycle underwater even

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I remember when Blackhawk Down was popular but a Chinook got into a crash the local paper ran a headline of CHINOOK DOWN

Scarabrae
Oct 7, 2002

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

Apparently the new army SIG pistol is not drop safe and has an issue with the frame exploding when using duty ammo lol

lol

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



the 416 is like "what if the SCAR-L... was good?"

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010
my first instructor in mechanic school was a guy who had an encyclopedic knowledge of aircraft maintenance and was also so deathly afraid of airplanes that he got nervous even taxiing one. the guy took trains or buses exclusively and flat-out refused to fly in an airplane for even short distances. I remember thinking that was weird, but I am now that way about helicopters, every single one is a loving deathtrap and you couldn't pay me to get in one, I have seen what their innards look like and I am not trusting my life to that.

that having been said, if you put a gun to my head and told me to either climb in a lovely beat-up old helicopter or a shiny Osprey, I'm taking the helicopter, because at least if it decides to break while I'm onboard there is a chance I might not die

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Hatebag posted:

the osprey was ordered because of the failures of operation: eagle claw, the mission to extract american hostages from iran in 1980. that mission failed after delta force murdered some fuel smugglers and then flew straight into a haboob, disabling 3 of the 8 helicopters involved, and then everyone left in a huff. but the osprey intakes have killed dozens of marines because their air intakes didn't have adequate filters so if they suck in a bit of dust they immediately crash

The planning for that one was wild. They wanted to put JATO rockets on a C-130 and land and take off from a stadium in Tehran.

All that broke brain lunacy and all they learn is 1. Train more death squaddies 2. More wunderwaffe, and all this with Reagan slowing the hostage release anyway for elections lol

Mister Bates posted:

my first instructor in mechanic school was a guy who had an encyclopedic knowledge of aircraft maintenance and was also so deathly afraid of airplanes that he got nervous even taxiing one. the guy took trains or buses exclusively and flat-out refused to fly in an airplane for even short distances. I remember thinking that was weird, but I am now that way about helicopters, every single one is a loving deathtrap and you couldn't pay me to get in one, I have seen what their innards look like and I am not trusting my life to that.

that having been said, if you put a gun to my head and told me to either climb in a lovely beat-up old helicopter or a shiny Osprey, I'm taking the helicopter, because at least if it decides to break while I'm onboard there is a chance I might not die

Simulators showed me what death traps helicopters are.

Fixed wing: An amateur like me can learn enough to not die and maybe even return the plane mostly intact relatively quickly. You can usually glide. You can do some things wrong but may get a chance to try again.
Rotary: Everything is a balancing act and you have to obey the envelope at all times or you will die. Descend a little too fast? Dead. Too slow? Dead. I've practiced on the Mi-8 longer and more deliberately than any other craft bar none, and it's still 50/50 I smack into the ground while attempting landing. UH-1 is a little easier but lol putting it down safely, accurately, or in a reasonable amount of time.

I'm sure most of this is because I'm an amateur, the sims are usually not as robust as fixed wing, and I don't have the proper equipment. With helicopters you need rudder pedals to do it properly, the cyclic also should be really long to have the proper leverage since helicopter pilots do not swing the stick around but only in small increments.

skooma512 has issued a correction as of 01:50 on Feb 21, 2024

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Mister Bates posted:

my first instructor in mechanic school was a guy who had an encyclopedic knowledge of aircraft maintenance and was also so deathly afraid of airplanes that he got nervous even taxiing one. the guy took trains or buses exclusively and flat-out refused to fly in an airplane for even short distances. I remember thinking that was weird, but I am now that way about helicopters, every single one is a loving deathtrap and you couldn't pay me to get in one, I have seen what their innards look like and I am not trusting my life to that.

the crew chief smiles at oil leaks: it means there's oil pressure!

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

Apparently the new army SIG pistol is not drop safe and has an issue with the frame exploding when using duty ammo lol

I refuse to believe the pistol doubles as a grenade by design. Surely. Is the duty ammo some kind of out of spec ++ powder charge?

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

Apparently the new army SIG pistol is not drop safe and has an issue with the frame exploding when using duty ammo lol

There were Hi-Powers stamped 1945 that worked fantastic as long as the magazines had new springs. This sort of thing kills me.

I don’t have high hopes that the new bespoke Tikka .308 (how this differs from 7.62 je ne sais pas) outlasts the Lee-Enfields just being retired this year either.

GlassEye-Boy
Jul 12, 2001
the hits just keep on coming. almost feel bad for them at this point.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26070479/trident-nuke-sub-missile-launch-fails/

quote:

The Ministry of Defence confirmed an “anomaly occurred” during the January 30 exercise off Florida, but the nuclear deterrent remains “effective".

The crew on the nuclear sub perfectly completed their doomsday drill, and the Trident 2 missile was propelled into the air by compressed gas in the launch tube.

But its first stage boosters did not ignite and the 58-ton missile – fitted with dummy warheads – splashed into the ocean and sank.

A source said: “It left the submarine but it just went plop, right next to them.”

GlassEye-Boy has issued a correction as of 02:01 on Feb 21, 2024

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Remember 2022 when liberals said we could impose a no fly zone because Russia’s nukes wouldn’t leave their silos?

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012


US so far ahead of the lostech curve they've forgotten how to make a vtol without even knowing how to do it in the first place

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Remember 2022 when liberals said we could impose a no fly zone because Russia’s nukes wouldn’t leave their silos?

Say the words bart

*sigh* it's always projection

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


Hatebag posted:

the osprey was ordered because of the failures of operation: eagle claw, the mission to extract american hostages from iran in 1980. that mission failed after delta force murdered some fuel smugglers and then flew straight into a haboob, disabling 3 of the 8 helicopters involved, and then everyone left in a huff. but the osprey intakes have killed dozens of marines because their air intakes didn't have adequate filters so if they suck in a bit of dust they immediately crash

The osprey fills a vital roll in ensuring that there is always a chance to move up in rank so that you don't get drummed out of the service

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

zetamind2000 posted:

wikihow to kill your commanding officer

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

GlassEye-Boy posted:

the hits just keep on coming. almost feel bad for them at this point.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26070479/trident-nuke-sub-missile-launch-fails/

I could be wrong but I feel like this sort of gently caress up should have been classified and all witnesses keeping quiet.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
the osprey was a cool setpiece in Half Life 1.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

DancingShade posted:

I could be wrong but I feel like this sort of gently caress up should have been classified and all witnesses keeping quiet.

I think their problem was they announced the test beforehand, and so couldn't not announce the result eventually

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I think their problem was they announced the test beforehand, and so couldn't not announce the result eventually

Just not announcing a result was an option. We tested a thing. No further comments.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

DancingShade posted:

I could be wrong but I feel like this sort of gently caress up should have been classified and all witnesses keeping quiet.

um but everything worked perfectly

quote:

Crucially, it is understood that had the firing taken place on a real patrol mission rather than under test conditions it would have been successful.

No further details are being made public about what went wrong on the grounds of “national security”.

In a statement issued to The Sun, the Ministry of Defence said: “HMS Vanguard and her crew have been proven fully capable of operating the UK’s Continuous At-Sea Deterrent, passing all tests during a recent demonstration and shakedown operation (DASO) - a routine test to confirm that the submarine can return to service following deep maintenance work.

“The test has reaffirmed the effectiveness of the UK’s nuclear deterrent, in which we have absolute confidence. During the test an anomaly occurred.

As a matter of national security, we cannot provide further information on this, however we are confident that the anomaly was event specific, and therefore there are no implications for the reliability of the wider Trident missile systems and stockpile.

“The UK’s nuclear deterrent remains safe, secure and effective.”

Officials stress Trident remains one of the most reliable weapons systems in the world, having successfully completed more than 190 tests involving the UK and US.

The UK has fired 12 Trident 2 missiles since the weapons entered service with the Royal Navy in 1994. But the two most recent ones failed.

In June 2016 a Trident 2 blasted out of HMS Vengeance and its rocket boosters successfully ignited. But moments later it veered off course, reportedly towards the US, and automatically self-destructed.

Later, Theresa May’s government was accused of covering up the failed launch as parliament was due to vote on renewing the UK’s nuclear deterrent.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Tankbuster posted:

the osprey was a cool setpiece in Half Life 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkU0rujYdQU

half life was a documentary

Officer Sandvich
Feb 14, 2010

GlassEye-Boy posted:

A source said: “It left the submarine but it just went plop, right next to them.”

lol

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

this is why I think BAE is not going to restart production of the M777. Everybody needs them now, because of donations and subsequent losses to Ukraine but all guns wear out anyway.

I think they’re going to propose some sort of radical new gun that’s supposed to be much better, and I think ideally for them would not be compatible with the same 155 mm projectile. what will happen is it will turn out to not be better, but the promises of being better justify not building new old guns, and now that they were able to cause that delay and further stretch, the existing lifespan of the guns in service, well what can you do? You have to buy the new proprietary 130 mm gun or whatever exotic bizzare loving who knows to replace all your existing guns in service otherwise no artillery.

BAE presents the new 177 mm/L100 gun that guarantees vatnik soup in all conditions at all times. Made out of elements that you need to look up the periodic table in it is just as light as the M777 that a Blackhawk or Ford F350 can carry it yet strong enough to only need replacement every 1,000 rounds. The new caliber increase also means new shell options from the multipurpose everything deleter to a round jam packed with electronics to something that's plain HE (using a new recipe cooked by British royal alchemists) for the budget conscious.

It also comes with standard Internet-of-Things for better serviceability and proprietary DRM that guarantees the Asiatic mind will never unlock the secrets of this never-seen-before artillery piece. Order now and we'll deliver a sample free of charge!

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
A 177mm towed gun with no shield that can only be operated by a console built into the mount. The concussion turns both vatnik and crew into soup with every repeat.

Fortunately we can sell you the solution to user tbi injury by way of this repurposed restaurant robot we painted grey and programmed to press the fire button for you.

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010
I read a fun alt history short story where a conscientious objector fucks up the atomic bombing of Hiroshima on purpose. I wonder how many western military officers will claim this when the JDPON puts them on trial

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Just make the atom bomber a drone and give the operator bonus points with casino jackpot noises every time they nuke a population centre. People will be lining up. They won't care if it's friendly or enemy either.

Nuke a city get (2) free corn dogs!

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

the tacticool military losing to one guy in a fancy labcoat and a bunch of slaves.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
i love it. missile just plops next to the submarine and the solution is to redefine that as success. good job everyone, medals and promotions all around

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
“The UK’s nuclear deterrent remains safe, secure and effective.”

its not a good sign when theyre telling you the nuclear weapons are also safe and effective

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I think their problem was they announced the test beforehand, and so couldn't not announce the result eventually

Yeah, secret intercontinental ballistic missile tests seem very unwise.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Delta-Wye posted:

“The UK’s nuclear deterrent remains safe, secure and effective.”

its not a good sign when theyre telling you the nuclear weapons are also safe and effective

Just think of the past 5 years or so of British government messaging. “There will be plenty of food”, “prices will remain low” etc.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)
Strong and stable
Strong and stable
Strong and stable
STRONG AND STABLE

corona familiar
Aug 13, 2021

Delta-Wye posted:

“The UK’s nuclear deterrent remains safe, secure and effective.”

its not a good sign when theyre telling you the nuclear weapons are also safe and effective

my press conferences are raising a lot of questions already answered in detail by my press conferences

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Of course the nuclear arsenal is safe & secure. It's not like it could just fly away now is it?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Justin Tyme posted:

They already solved the "make helicopter go fast" engineering problem, it's called a pusher prop. The army had a prototype attack helicopter back in the cold war that was fast as gently caress and kicked rear end, but it got killed because the air force was crying about how it would infringe on their cas job

E: this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AH-56_Cheyenne

The root cause, well other than capitalism, neoliberalism and all that, is having the Air Force be an independent arm of the military.

That's fundamentally stupid. The air force is a support role, its primary task is supporting the land forces, or sea forces if carrier borne I suppose but we're not talking about naval aviation now so gently caress em. It is as if you had a manufacturing company but you made the IT department equal to the Operations department somehow, rather than making it clear to all those nerds that they are in a support role. The only place it can end up is disfunctional boondoggles that don't practically help anyone but the nerds love stroking themselves off to.

Speleothing
May 6, 2008

Spare batteries are pretty key.
Clearly the test missiles are built and maintained differently than the real ones. So it's perfectly normal and expected that the engine won't turn on

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Due to cost we've replaced the expensive & arcane missile engines with several sacks of sawdust of approximate equal weight.

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500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.
Each missile weighs as much as an Abrams tank, I knew uranium was dense but wow

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