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Arthur’s “what the hell are you doing” reaction to Dutch shooting Cornwall might be one of my favorite main story moments.
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sephiRoth IRA posted:I already did the first one, in the swamp, and then the guy was gone and I have no way to either mail him my answers or find a new gunfighter. Feels like I'm overlooking something in a stupid manner You should have photos of all the gunfighters. You need to examine them individually. That should put markers on the map. I don't think there's anything to do back at the bar until you finish all of them.
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Feb 13, 2024 20:43
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sephiRoth IRA posted:I already did the first one, in the swamp, and then the guy was gone and I have no way to either mail him my answers or find a new gunfighter. Feels like I'm overlooking something in a stupid manner Have you looked at all the photos? There are four, one for each of them, and they each unlock a dot on the map with their initials. efb
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Feb 13, 2024 20:43
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bobjr posted:Arthur’s “what the hell are you doing” reaction to Dutch shooting Cornwall might be one of my favorite main story moments. Dutch shooting Cornwall was the last moment of gently caress Yeah, Dutch
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Feb 13, 2024 20:45
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Philippe posted:Have you looked at all the photos? There are four, one for each of them, and they each unlock a dot on the map with their initials. Oh yeah I'm definitely doing something stupid then. poo poo. I'll figure out what button I'm not pushing in the satchel I guess!
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Feb 13, 2024 20:51
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bobjr posted:Arthur’s “what the hell are you doing” reaction to Dutch shooting Cornwall might be one of my favorite main story moments. The line delivery is so, so good. I've loved it ever since I first heard it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDaeCskDB_g Also (epilogue spoilers)a bit of subtle(especially by RDR2 standards) storytelling is how Micah says "all manner of folk making social calls" in reference to Dutch being with him at the cabin. "Just A Social Call" is the name of this mission with Cornwall, and "Paying A Social Call" is the name of the mission in Chapter 2 when Kieran takes you to try and get Colm. And finally Dutch says he's going to make a social call to Bronte. So, if you've been paying attention (I hadn't) Micah is telling the player from the start Dutch is there to kill him.
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Feb 13, 2024 20:57
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i was trying to compile a list of who is the best at cons in the gang. The very top and the very bottom are obvious - Dutch and Hosea and Trelawney at the top, John and Sadie at the bottom. Poor John can't lie to save his life. Arthur I was willing to give a pretty high place but then I remembered how he drat near rode right into the Gray plantation until frickin' Sean reminded him "oi, aren't you pretending to be their friend? Maybe you shouldn't be seen coming into their fields right before they burn down." Like...come on, Arthur. You aren't dumb. Sean being craftier and more cautious than you? This might honestly be Top 5 Dumbest Things he does in the game.
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Feb 14, 2024 22:18
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Outside of Sadie the women seem to be relatively good at cons.
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Feb 14, 2024 22:37
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bobjr posted:Outside of Sadie the women seem to be relatively good at cons. Yeah the women suss out what, 3-4 different leads after an hour in Valentine?
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Feb 14, 2024 22:49
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Hosea and trelawney, certainly but I would not say that I think Dutch is good at cons Does Dutch successfully con anyone throughout the entire game? Aside from Arthur and the gang, ho ho ho, Dutch keeps trying to con people and I don’t remember it ever succeeding. At the most, he bought himself a few moments confusing someone before pulling a gun. The greys and braithwaites were never really conned, they just wanted to see what this stranger was up to before actually dealing with him and his gang of random miscreants Now, let’s say, perhaps, a different job title. Dutch isn’t a good con artist, but cult leader on the other hand…
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Feb 14, 2024 22:58
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Another little moment I enjoyed in Rhodes was seeing a dog pawing at a window, then entering the building and seeing a bunch of sausages that were hanging near the other side.
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Feb 15, 2024 03:42
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rotinaj posted:Hosea and trelawney, certainly but I would not say that I think Dutch is good at cons as of the game he does not demonstrate it, but the history given is that hosea and dutch were fellow cons who tried to work one another and instead went into business together. the violence and such came later. at the point of the game, he is still shown at being great at starting a con but the desperation of the gang has led him to be making bad choices and throwing good money after bad, and now he solves problems with bullets
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Feb 15, 2024 15:29
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How dare you call Dutch a cult leader, what with his constant charismatic rhetoric about how the world sucks and he's the only one who can help them, and his group of yahoos who would go to hell for him, and his chatter about "let's just go east until [solution]".
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Feb 15, 2024 15:46
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Philippe posted:How dare you call Dutch a cult leader, what with his constant charismatic rhetoric about how the world sucks and he's the only one who can help them, and his group of yahoos who would go to hell for him, and his chatter about "let's just go east until [solution]". He has a PLAN, I don’t know how much clearer he could make it
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Feb 15, 2024 16:00
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The plan requires them to have an unspecified amount of money. It'll be fine, just keep listening to me and doing what I say.
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Feb 15, 2024 16:12
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Man, I had a really lame glitch last night as I was in Chapter 3. I saw a conversation I’d never seen before - Hosea confronting Micah about the Blackwater job. The fist part of the dialogue fired just fine, up to the point when Arthur tells Micah to watch his mouth after the latter sassed Hosea. At that point, Hosea and Micah continued their conversation but the sound bugged out. They were clearly talking and arguing but the dialogue and subtitles were non existent and I didn’t get to hear the rest of the conversation. I had to look it up on YouTube to see the rest. It’s another good demonstration of how it seems everyone except Dutch can see through Micah’s bullshit.
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Feb 15, 2024 17:50
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Holy hell, this game really does get me at times with the attention to detail I never would have even guessed at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClBV_BloPyI&t=96s I was just talking about this mission yesterday, too. Arthur is not a paid killer. Like most players, I just can't do a Low Honor run. It feels wrong and it simply doesn't make sense. But hey, thanks for including this, Rockstar.
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Feb 16, 2024 04:35
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It's fascinating how to some folks like myself, playing Low Honor feels wrong because of the game's visceral attention to detail, but to others that is where the enjoyment comes from. Sometimes it feels like Rockstar made two games- one where the realistic response to your actions are tragedy and another where they're comedy. edit: In a good way, I think they pulled it off super well. My teenage brothers for example see Red Dead as Buster Scruggs, the video game, and blow the hat off everyone distasteful to them with a toothy grin. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Feb 16, 2024 |
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Feb 16, 2024 05:42
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_G99R4Mzj8&t=27s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v4aMPx7eGw These are such minor moments but I love them so much. One thing replaying RDR2 made me realize is that Arthur and Dutch are the main characters, not Arthur and John. Their relationship with each other and individual development is the central focus of the whole game's writing. And it's why this is one of my favorite games of all time. Well, a big part of it. Also if Arthur ever; described half the poo poo he found out there, the gang would think he's the crazy one. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Feb 19, 2024 |
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Feb 19, 2024 02:31
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https://x.com/ned_luke/status/1759806876953231848?s=20 I've seen comparisons of GTAV with RDR2 come up in this thread ever since I started posting. This guy apparently voiced one of the main dudes - Michael, I guess. I know I'm probably a bigger Dutch fan than most here (or anywhere), but it's strange to attack Davis, too. I see a lot of Dutch haters, but very few haters of Davis' performance.
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Feb 20, 2024 14:28
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I don’t think it’s really an attack on Davis, per se https://x.com/ned_luke/status/1759965099404730811?s=46&t=-XWkKO3R-9rsCKaFQLANMQ I guess he just didn’t vibe with it
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Feb 20, 2024 17:30
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Michael is way worse voice acted than Dutch and Michael was fine, if trying to be ray liotta’s henry hill from goodfellas so hard it hurt Dutch was fantastically voice acted in ways that change and add conflict, drama, and tension over the course of the game
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Feb 20, 2024 17:35
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I'm sure there must've been a few duff performances (or at least line reads) in RDR2, but if there were I can't remember any off the top of my head. Now that I think about it, it's almost certainly the best voice-acted game I've ever played
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Feb 20, 2024 17:42
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There are a lot of broad characters (drunk priest, wacky rockstar violence man, and horny French painter), but they're all done phenomenally. Even small roles like the collectable people or the gunslingers are well-acted.
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Feb 20, 2024 17:50
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I think that's just Ned Luke being him. He took the role of Michael pretty seriously from an actor's standpoint, talks about it a lot in interviews, so maybe he has to try and look past the actor more than we do. While he was playing he probably could only hear Benjamin Byron Davis, not Dutch van der Linde. Is that fair? I dunno!
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Feb 20, 2024 18:03
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NikkolasKing posted:
I have a friend who, a millions years ago, I lent RDR1 to. He absolutely loved it, 100%ed it multiple times, bought it for himself, couldn't get enough. I lent him RDR2 and he gave it back to me within a couple of days. He told me that he couldn't stand Dutch, and having to play an entire game where the main character and most of the side characters like Dutch and treat him like a well respected, wise leader was far too aggravating. I can understand that - his perception of Dutch was firmly set in stone by RDR1 and he has no interest in seeing who this murderous psychopath was before. What I still don't understand was his dislike of Arthur though. My buddy thought Arthur was a 'lame' character.
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Feb 20, 2024 18:19
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Lucas Archer posted:What I still don't understand was his dislike of Arthur though. My buddy thought Arthur was a 'lame' character. this is funny because I thought the same for the first couple hours but by the end of the game was like "oh....I guess I'll play as john again, i guess" they really emphasize how much less thoughtful and more of a dumbass john is after spending 50+ hours as arthur lol
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Feb 20, 2024 18:23
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John: I found Arthur's old journal where we was always writing and sketching... I've become somewhat of an artist recently myself! holds up restored version of Ecce Homo
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Feb 20, 2024 18:36
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Oh this dude has been dining out on gta5 for a decade now and his gravy train is running out with 6 on the horizon He is looking for clicks Seeing as his speaking voice sounds exactly like Michael, I am not gonna be charitable and say he is thinking so and so didn’t do a deep enough performance, he’s just a jealous actor mad that people aren’t talking about him anymore
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Feb 20, 2024 19:02
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rotinaj posted:Oh this dude has been dining out on gta5 for a decade now and his gravy train is running out with 6 on the horizon Little of column A, little of column B I feel. It probably is a relevance thing too but I've had to look past Steve Blum doing a goofy voice or like just his voice to connect with a character before. He is very much like the character it seems. Great casting job Rockstar!
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Feb 20, 2024 19:17
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Wolfsheim posted:this is funny because I thought the same for the first couple hours but by the end of the game was like "oh....I guess I'll play as john again, i guess" Yeah same. I very much initially missed John, but it didn’t take long before John’s backstory painted him as a fragile dumdum and Arthur was way more complex and, dare I say, noble?
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Feb 20, 2024 20:46
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Wolfsheim posted:this is funny because I thought the same for the first couple hours but by the end of the game was like "oh....I guess I'll play as john again, i guess" Chapter 1 is pretty weak in general, IMO. Somebody on YT made a video that Arthur really only becomes likable during and after the drinking mission with Lenny. Before that he's kina just grousing all the time. I'm not sure if it is exactly that mission, but Arthur does feel a lot surlier early on. Lucas Archer posted:I have a friend who, a millions years ago, I lent RDR1 to. He absolutely loved it, 100%ed it multiple times, bought it for himself, couldn't get enough. I guess I can get that, although I think Davis' very different voice for the two Dutch's show that there are, well, two Dutch's. RDR2 is not the same man as RDR1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oszQ2kUjZdo That original soft, hollow voice vs. the passion he exudes in every syllable in RDR2 is something which absolutely fascinates me. It's amazingly well done. Also, we say "voice-acting," but Davis also did motion capture, and there's a lot of great facials and body language in RDR2. Plenty of times he lets you know how Dutch is thinking or feeling just from that. Most notably I think during his reaction to Arthur's dying words.
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Feb 20, 2024 21:00
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Lucas Archer posted:I have a friend who, a millions years ago, I lent RDR1 to. He absolutely loved it, 100%ed it multiple times, bought it for himself, couldn't get enough. While I didn't react quite this viscerally, my big sticking point with the story was similar, the whole time I was just thinking "why does anyone go along with what this guy says he's so clearly lying about everything", even though the characters have legitimate reasons to do so. I wish we saw more of the gang's good times where we saw Dutch as the charismatic and respected leader they all talk about him as and then took part in the downfall afterwards, like the Blackwater heist could have been the first act. But i guess then they would have had to either remove or heavily condense Guam and the epilogues, which I would have been fine with honestly, I know I'm in the minority but the epilogues were so tedious. That said it's still my favourite game I think, currently doing a third playthrough and I'm still finding stuff I haven't seen, maybe this time I will finally finish the collectathon side quests. Just kidding I won't because goddamn it Rockstar. I looked up the requirements for the feathers guy in Saint Denis and just said "nope", not worth it.
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Feb 21, 2024 02:48
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Hello it's me, the guy who bought this game at the end of 2019 and didn't bother to get to chapter 3 until January of 2022 and in the last four months have done everything up to the first part of the epilogue. The beginning of this game sucks. I'm sure it's much better on replays, and I haven't been able to put it down since I got to chapter 4, but I don't blame that guy. (I also wished I could just be John but now I miss Arthur too, so just give your friend three or fours years, he'll come around)
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Feb 21, 2024 04:04
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Friend posted:The beginning of this game sucks Wow, I didn’t know it was even possible to be this wrong.
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Feb 21, 2024 05:14
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Imo it sucks but specifically only on replays because I want to get to my heartland shenanigans
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Feb 21, 2024 05:18
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Funny I think it's a little better on replays because already knowing the characters and seeing the kind of groundwork they're laying for all their individual arcs is cool Also the mission where you rescue John with Javier is great, I feel like Javier is underutilized for most of the game but drat what a strong introduction
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Feb 21, 2024 05:32
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I don’t disagree, I’m just in a hurry to slow down
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Feb 21, 2024 05:43
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Wolfsheim posted:Funny I think it's a little better on replays because already knowing the characters and seeing the kind of groundwork they're laying for all their individual arcs is cool Agreed. I like doing the side stuff with Javier (fishing and robbing), he's got some stuff going on.
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I like everyone in the gang but I think its sheer size hurts it. Sure, if you go camp convo hunting, everyone has some depth, but there's no guarantee you will see a great convo from even your favorite character. I love Kieran but I never got his campfire talk about his backstory until my second run. In terms of story missions, most of them have zero or near zero presence. I wondered if a GTAIV "date" system would work - take Lenny out for drinking more than one time, go into town with one of the girls more then one time - but again the gang is so large that such a system is probably just unwieldy. I bring this up because of Javier talk. Javier got it better than someone like Tilly or Swanson. I'm not sure what they really add to the story. But I'm sure people could say the same about Karen or Mary-Beth or Molly. There is depth to everyone if you go looking for it but that is the thing, you gotta go looking. And you still might miss it. I went out of my way to "grind" camp convos in my last run and I still missed several I know are in the game. Or, rather than cut gang members, maybe they could dump collectathon and challenges and put more effort into the story and give us at least one extra story mission with everyone. I know I'm biased but I don't think it was finding flowers which made RDR2 one of the best-selling games of all time. i grew up with GTAIII and I saw a flood of garbage open world clones in its wake. Most of which have rightly been forgotten, no matter if they had Christopher Walken doing his best to be in an even worse game than Ripper. RDR2 is still beloved and played tot his day because of the writing and storytelling, not the most tedious of open world aspects. So if they could have cut all of that to make room for more story stuff, I wish that had happened. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Feb 21, 2024 |
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