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I am only casually keeping up with the current story so maybe I'm confusing reader knowledge with character knowledge, but I thought everyone understood that once a Dominion exists, it has always existed. Why does anyone think going back in time and killing Moira will stop it coming into existence now that it exists (I mean I know it won't work anyway because even Marvel editors wouldn't mandate an unsatisfying "shoot an innocent teenage girl in the head" ending that retcons the last five years of critically and commercially beloved stories out of existence, but why does Xavier think it might work) Lunchmeat Larry fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:but why does Xavier think it might work It's stated in this issue of Rise: they have seen signs the Dominion is worried about their plan, as if this particular Dominion can only affect from Moira's powering up onward, when new timelines were suddenly created and destroyed over and over. Xavier doesn't 100% believe this plan will work, but it's the only chance he and his buddy "Doug" can see, so here we are.
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Rick posted:
In all fairness, Destiny can be a bit of an overbearing rear end. Even her hot blue psycho wife needs a breather from her now and then. "You ordered your eggs soft-boiled and now thousands of children in a coastal city will starve. No I will not explain how."
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This Dominion relied specifically on the Moira Engines to succeed. No Moira, no engines.
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Saoshyant posted:It's stated in this issue of Rise: they have seen signs the Dominion is worried about their plan, as if this particular Dominion can only affect from Moira's powering up onward, when new timelines were suddenly created and destroyed over and over. Xavier doesn't 100% believe this plan will work, but it's the only chance he and his buddy "Doug" can see, so here we are. Cartridgeblowers posted:This Dominion relied specifically on the Moira Engines to succeed. No Moira, no engines.
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According to Sinister, not even Enigma itself is completely sure that it's safe from its creation being disrupted. It might be outside of causality. It probably is......but it doesn't know for certain. I thought RotPoX was good, and I know we have the rest of this series and all of "X-Men Forever" to deal with this Enigma situation, but also like...I feel like this plot should be a way bigger deal and take up much more real estate than it does now? Especially if the issues are going to be as decompressed as it is here, I feel like this should be a company-wide event that takes all of 2024 to resolve, if not longer. This entity is supposed to be a threat to Eternity itself and the retroactive cause of the entirety of Hickman's Avengers/Secret Wars plot. Is it really going to be resolved in...wait let me count...seven more issues of comics?
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Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But like whet exactly would Spider-Man do against something that exists outside of space and time? Plus the X-Men have the Phoenix that can solve that problem, just have to make sure it doesn't die first.
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Lol well at least they're keeping their options open. Honestly I feel they undermined the threat from the start by saying "this thing is so scary that the only thing that can possibly defeat it is... one of your main team members when she gets her usual power up"
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I'm introducing the most fearsome dragon ball villain yet: Doorknob of the Furniture Gang. He can only be defeated by the power of a Super Saiyan 2
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BrianWilly posted:Is it really going to be resolved in...wait let me count...seven more issues of comics? Of course it is, and nobody is going to give a poo poo about the concept of Dominions going forward because they aren't interesting. People can't even meaningfully write for Legion and Franklin that regularly. It's hard to take someone with true total control of all reality and still tell a grounded and engaging story with them, so what they largely do is....not let them use their full potential. Legion's many brain problems limit him, and Franklin is still a growing child. What the hell can you meaningfully do with characters that are like 3 levels of bullshit above them, the people you already couldn't write for? Hey remember those like 3 times Wanda just completely smoked all reality? Yeah? Lets just move on rapidly and not think about that too much! But no, these guys? Man these guys are the real powers. They are super duper beyond anything you've ever dealt with before. None of your tricks matter, except somehow the dude with knives on his hands will be relevant to the plot because Wolverine sells. The reality is there is an upper limit to the level of bullshit the average person can parse, and that's the level this plot will have to be resolved at. So for all they do a work to try and sell Dominions, they aren't actually going to take anything more to deal with than Incursions or Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet or any other type of threat does, because there isn't an up from there that works. It's just that you can't go "Well yeah this kind of sucks but whatever, we'll get through it because we've done like 9 reality threatening apocalypse events in our lifetimes, it's no big deal.", so hey. Guess this big bad is the biggest and baddest it's ever been.
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Hickman is already completely ignoring dominions etc. in G.O.D.S. Domin-whats? Never heard of them, now let me tell you about the science and magic gods.
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:This sounds a bit like they realised they wrote themselves into a corner with the general "once it comes into existence, it has always existed and transcends time" and have added a specific exception for this one fella, but you know what, fair enough. As comic book time travel rules go we've accepted worse My head canon is that a Dominion can and does exist outside of space and time but whenever it ventures (maybe not entirely but with "tendrils" of itself) into either time or space to gently caress with stuff it because vulnerable to the rules that exist for us mere mortals. And because of that it can be beaten since it's coming down to our level. Note that this theory is stolen from Wheel of Time and how the Dark One exists outside of time but is able to be defeated because it is "touching the world"
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Engima is also a special Dominion because it's just Essex's brain patterns shoved into a supergod. The usual Sinister hubris probably hurts him more than most Dominions, which we're told usually don't give a poo poo about things on the mortal level unless you wave a matrioshka brain around like a squeaky toy.
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yeah i don't think the essex dominion is impossible to defeat if he's asking loving moira for help
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We've already had that one scene confirming that Enigma is officially the weird kid of the Dominion group. The one everyone let's hang out even though they are a little off, and no one really knows who invited him.
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I am only casually keeping up with the current story so maybe I'm confusing reader knowledge with character knowledge, but I thought everyone understood that once a Dominion exists, it has always existed. Why does anyone think going back in time and killing Moira will stop it coming into existence now that it exists It would actually retcon the last 48 years of X-Men comics. Moira MacTaggert first appeared in December 1975 and was incredibly import for the majority of Claremont's run and to a lesser degree even after he left up until her "death" to the legacy virus in the 90s
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:My head canon is that a Dominion can and does exist outside of space and time but whenever it ventures (maybe not entirely but with "tendrils" of itself) into either time or space to gently caress with stuff it because vulnerable to the rules that exist for us mere mortals. And because of that it can be beaten since it's coming down to our level. Yeah you know what, I quite like that, it's very mythic and means this guy's defeat can be blamed directly on Sinister's hubris. Picturing all the real adult Dominions sit at their poker table and chuckle at the new guy. Also I know we're never going to see or hear about Dominions again but if there are several of them surely they just merge into the next stage of ultimate intelligence. No you know what it's fine. Let's just leave it
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Air Skwirl posted:It would actually retcon the last 48 years of X-Men comics. Moira MacTaggert first appeared in December 1975 and was incredibly import for the majority of Claremont's run and to a lesser degree even after he left up until her "death" to the legacy virus in the 90s Lmfao the thought just occurred to me - is this particular subplot going to end with them doing a Beast and bootstrapping Moira's past self up to defeat the current one. It would be incredibly funny if they did that twice in one event Lunchmeat Larry fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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lol RotPoX is an acronym
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Roll Fortitude to avoid getting the Rot Pox
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is it a vaccine like an mmr shot - I got one because people are not vaccinating their children.
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Man the Hellfire Gala issue was incredibly terrible. Like I hated that so much I can't really go off on it because I can't do it in a way that's sane. The one thing I have to mention though is a white writer having a black character say "some of my best friends are mutants" loving sucks. Okay cutting myself off there.
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It's Wednesday, watch out fellas. Resurrection of Magneto 2 spoilers: Absolutely lovely issue, and also lol that it could've just ended here except that there's still 3 more to go, so ohhhh no there's a big scary monster in Magneto's psyche! No, not Onslaught, another one! I was hoping that the Namor adventure at the beginning of the issue was going to be the origin story of Magneto's weird Cthulhu island from the 70s, but those were Utopia-era costumes. The fact that apparently we're going to explain Magneto came back to life because he got a key from a fish monster off-panel is really driving it home that Krakoa is over.
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That place was cool, loved that arc where Cyclops was walking the Earth after Dark Phoenix Saga.
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It's from Hickman's Giant Size X-men
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I wonder where all the names on the walls in RoM #2 are from. I recognize a couple as being relatively deep continuity cuts, like that scientist Max aced in an early issue of Cullen Bunn's 2014 Magneto solo, but there are a lot of other legible names that don't get highlighted. Are they fans? Friends of Ewing's? Production people at Marvel? (Also, now that I'm thinking about it, one way you can make absolutely drat sure that Disney doesn't mine your Marvel comics work for movies/TV and shut you out of the profits is to make most of your output an intricate map of Norse epics, Kabbalah symbolism, 40-year-old continuity dives, and tarot motifs. Try making a loving cartoon out of that, Feige.)
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They don't pay you much of anything even if they do heavily base it on your work, I heard from Brubaker etc, potato potahto. If they make a Zombo movie though, Ewing may get that sweet cheddar.
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despite the truly excellent lineup, dead x-men is sort of disappointing. none of the team really have their distinct personalities. they had a single job that was tangentially related to the main storyline in other books, but completed that in the first issue. now they are jumping around at random in non-existent timelines looking for death metal album cover moira, who is killing random people for no particular reason. it all seems sort of pointless?
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I think Marvel did end up cutting him a bigger check after this article came out, but Jim Starlin said that he got more money from DC for the use of some minor henchman in BvS than for Thanos and all of the GotG characters put together. Anything the movie companies throw to the creators is peanuts.
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Heavy Metal posted:That place was cool, loved that arc where Cyclops was walking the Earth after Dark Phoenix Saga. What series was that?
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Sephyr posted:What series was that? In Uncanny X-Men right after the Dark Phoenix Saga, Cyclops leaves the team and walks the Earth soul searching, as the B-plot. He runs into Man-Thing, befriends a sailor woman, and he ends up stumbling upon Magneto's cool water castle thingy.
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Heavy Metal posted:In Uncanny X-Men right after the Dark Phoenix Saga, Cyclops leaves the team and walks the Earth soul searching, as the B-plot. He runs into Man-Thing, befriends a sailor woman, and he ends up stumbling upon Magneto's cool water castle thingy. The Cyclops team-up with Man-Thing is really great. Everyone should check that issue out if they haven't. But yeah, the rest of that arc is pretty cool too.
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Every once in a while, I remember Lee Forrester exists, figure that someone has to have whacked her for cheap drama by now, look her up, and am delighted to discover she's still alive.
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Wanderer posted:Every once in a while, I remember Lee Forrester exists, figure that someone has to have whacked her for cheap drama by now, look her up, and am delighted to discover she's still alive. I was a little disheartened to learn from RoM that Sharon Friedlander suffered this exact fate... in 1993.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:despite the truly excellent lineup, dead x-men is sort of disappointing. none of the team really have their distinct personalities. they had a single job that was tangentially related to the main storyline in other books, but completed that in the first issue. now they are jumping around at random in non-existent timelines looking for death metal album cover moira, who is killing random people for no particular reason. it all seems sort of pointless? Cyber Moira seems to be trying to succeed where she failed in her "just murder the AI inventors" timeline. Including going after government officials that enable them like Gyrich. Although I didn't catch why she attacked the Brotherhood at the beginning. Anyway, it's obviously a side-story that won't affect much of the other comics, but I'm glad this team is at least getting a chance to do something before the status quo changes. But yeah, they aren't getting much opportunity to shine as individuals. Heavy Metal posted:In Uncanny X-Men right after the Dark Phoenix Saga, Cyclops leaves the team and walks the Earth soul searching, as the B-plot. He runs into Man-Thing, befriends a sailor woman, and he ends up stumbling upon Magneto's cool water castle thingy. I heard from a podcast that Cyclops needed a new outfit when they came upon Magneto's castle, and got some kind of octopus outfit.
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glitchwraith posted:I heard from a podcast that Cyclops needed a new outfit when they came upon Magneto's castle, and got some kind of octopus outfit. Oh yes, he looked great 
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That is a funny thing, my thought is he thinks it looks cool, like a hobby. Geeking out a bit. I wonder what other hobbies Magneto has. edit: oh yeah, I guess that place has a rich history https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Island_M Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Feb 29, 2024 |
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Heavy Metal posted:I wonder what other hobbies Magneto has. Killing Nazis.
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