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During the Charlie's commercial scene there's a against premarital sex line that really doesn't belong.
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Feb 21, 2024 22:54
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Nodosaur posted:at the same time, I like that Charlie is probably pretty unintentionally (as in by herself) closed minded about some things. Like, she thinks you need not to have sex before marriage to get into heaven and tried to make a porno more wholesome. She can also be kinda judgey in some regards. I think it shows she has some growing to do herself. Charlie is said to be around twenty. I know, some say she is over 200 and that might have been the case once. I don't believe that is the case any longer and the 20 something age rings truer. It certainly fits in with how she acts, if she was 200 plus she wouldn't be so painfully naive. She's not stupid. If she was two hundred, I believe she would have wised up by that time and have a far better grasp of what happens in hell. Add in the fact she's literally the princess of Hell it's a given she was sheltered and protected in life from the worse elements of Hell itself. Her father being a depressed shut in, her mother vanishing, that is the only reason why she's out and about on her own now. She got freedom because there was no one to tell her no. Who could. Even when she interacted with other heavy hitters in Hell, they likely were on their best behavior around her, they were not going to risk the wrath of Lucifer and Lilith. They are not stupid enough to gently caress around with someone's kid when that person is several magnitudes more powerful and influential. Lucky for Charlie growing up she did so around beings smart enough to be nice, smile and be kind even if they were the worse of the worse. Her having her own issues, daddy and all definitely play into why she is the way she is. She is trying to help others while she needs help herself. You see this in people all the time. They can’t fix themselves, so they try to fix others. Husk totally nailed her when he said what her deal was. Same with Vaggie. He was right about Angel Dust, not that he understood why Angel acted the way he did until told. Nodosaur posted:Are they? I thought only Adam assumed they were. I can see them sleeping in the same bed but not going that far just yet. Know that big bed Charlie was in? The one Alastor popped up on? That's also Vaggies bed. Charlie and Vaggie are trying to redeem sinners, not themselves. Well...in a round about way Vaggie might be but not to get away from Hell so much as to not hate herself over the past and what she did. They've been together for three years. They've totally knocked boots.
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Feb 21, 2024 23:02
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The Last Call posted:
Seconding this, if Adam said that and they hadn't I imagine Vaggie would've leapt in to defend her honor. They literally have shared the same bed for three years and obviously adore each other. Charlie doesn't have sex hang ups so much as she's used to cuddly sweet lovin' and really doesn't understand the violence involved in Angel's work. Like at all. Hence her not trying to deny his work so much as rework it to his detriment in episode 4. By Hell's standards she's practically a virgin so I could see where people see her and Vaggie as chaste when they're not.
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Feb 22, 2024 00:29
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Flopsy posted:Seconding this, if Adam said that and they hadn't I imagine Vaggie would've leapt in to defend her honor. They literally have shared the same bed for three years and obviously adore each other. Charlie doesn't have sex hang ups so much as she's used to cuddly sweet lovin' and really doesn't understand the violence involved in Angel's work. Like at all. Hence her not trying to deny his work so much as rework it to his detriment in episode 4. By Hell's standards she's practically a virgin so I could see where people see her and Vaggie as chaste when they're not. Totally agree. Charlie is a good person. She't not a saint but she's definitely the closet thing to it in hell. Angel and others are more up front about certain things, Charlie is more reserved. Doesn't mean she hates certain things, it just means she's not all about shoving those aspects of herself in front of others as some enjoy doing so. Lots of people out there enjoy sex. Some are kinky as hell. You'd never know it because they consider it a private matter. Charlie comes off that way, certain things are private for her only to be shared with the person closest to her. That's perfeclty fine.
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Feb 22, 2024 01:13
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That still makes her stance on behaviors on how to get into heaven in some respects kind of hypocritical. That's one thing I hope to address in my work as she focuses on trying to better Hell too instead of just focusing on redemption.
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Feb 22, 2024 01:23
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The Last Call posted:Totally agree. I think that might be where people get confused as a lot of characters are more blunt about wanting to have intercourse with each other while Charlie and Vaggie are in a long term committed relationship. They don't need to yell from the rooftops they're about to gently caress. Nodosaur posted:That still makes her stance on behaviors on how to get into heaven in some respects kind of hypocritical. That's one thing I hope to address in my work as she focuses on trying to better Hell too instead of just focusing on redemption. I think that's intentional. She's well meaning but literally has no idea how to go about it and it's a big part of her character arc struggling to understand what redemption actually means and entails. She's a lot like Jack Skellington struggling to understand Christmas for example.
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Feb 22, 2024 01:27
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My confusion was, again, that she professed the idea multiple times that you shouldn't have premarital sex. Now that I understand that it's deliberate dissonance, I understand why she does that.
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Feb 22, 2024 01:45
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Nodosaur posted:That still makes her stance on behaviors on how to get into heaven in some respects kind of hypocritical. That's one thing I hope to address in my work as she focuses on trying to better Hell too instead of just focusing on redemption. People in Heaven don't even know what it takes to get into Heaven. We still don't know. She's in Hell trying everything, anything, in the hope something might actually work. She's trying to do something that's never been done. There's no manual. No right answer. And the one time she was given three rules it turned out not to be good enough. At least a single night of following the rules was not good enough, a fact that Charlie doesn't seem to still understand. It's not that easy. Or is it? The answer could be something stupid or inane. How does one know unless one tries everything? You start with the basics, and go from there. Expand and hope something clicks and you finally get a result. And yes Charlie is rather innocent in a lot of ways. Vaggie is always worrying because she fully grasp the weight of the situation and how it's not that easy while Charlie is living on hopes and dreams. She knew it would be hard. She didn't realize how hard it would be. Charlie's got a lot of blind spots like this, but she grew up in the best possible version of hell. She's learning the hard way life really isn't a musical. I'm not singing for you people. Nodosaur posted:My confusion was, again, that she professed the idea multiple times that you shouldn't have premarital sex. Now that I understand that it's deliberate dissonance, I understand why she does that. I took it more as a joke riffing on the old concept of your not suppose to have sex before marriage. Because. REASONS. Also did you hear how apparently some people can make their hands all hairy.
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Feb 22, 2024 01:47
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I keep seeing YouTube recommendations for Hazbin song compilations or just Hell's Greatest Dad that very specifically emphasize "WITHOUT Mimzy!!" and I just want to know who hurt these people.
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Feb 22, 2024 14:22
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Nodosaur posted:That still makes her stance on behaviors on how to get into heaven in some respects kind of hypocritical. She isn't trying to get into heaven. She has no reason to do the things she thinks might get people into heaven. I don't have to be a teetotaler to be able to tell a recovering alcoholic they shouldn't have that drink in their hand without being a hypocrite.
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Feb 22, 2024 14:45
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Nikumatic posted:I keep seeing YouTube recommendations for Hazbin song compilations or just Hell's Greatest Dad that very specifically emphasize "WITHOUT Mimzy!!" and I just want to know who hurt these people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W6q6OZGcOg i actually found this one funny. also extra lol. https://twitter.com/CerberusXt/status/1760683449617432792/photo/1
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Feb 22, 2024 17:46
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Nodosaur posted:That still makes her stance on behaviors on how to get into heaven in some respects kind of hypocritical. That's one thing I hope to address in my work as she focuses on trying to better Hell too instead of just focusing on redemption. I think that's likely to be part of the story but will mostly be Lucifer's arc to deal with, trying not to leave his daughter with a garbage place to run
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Feb 22, 2024 17:59
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I don't even understand what that guy's alleged point is. Is Hazbin woke or not woke? Is it successful or not successful? Is it original material or derivative? Is it a positive example of whatever the gently caress or a negative one?
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Feb 22, 2024 18:06
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Data Graham posted:I don't even understand what that guy's alleged point is. Is Hazbin woke or not woke? Is it successful or not successful? Is it original material or derivative? Is it a positive example of whatever the gently caress or a negative one? They're mad that Baldur's Gate 3 is Woke and pointing out that Hazbin Hotel (which was created Woke unlike Baldur's Gate/Dungeons and Dragons which has been infected with parasitic wokeness with Baldur's Gate 3) is unsucessful. They're crazy and stupid and wrong, but that's the logic they're using.
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Feb 22, 2024 18:10
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Ok cool, I wasn’t sure whether they were going for some tortured explanation of how Hazbin is in fact anti-woke for the following nonsensical reasons and that explains why it is a smash hit, like what happened with Barbie
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Feb 22, 2024 18:12
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I think the image is supposed to be stupid tweets juxtaposed with examples that prove them wrong. The BG3 and Hazbin images are not from the original tweets.
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Feb 22, 2024 18:18
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W6q6OZGcOg My question is why the gently caress do the chuds have this ongoing obsession with nordic mythology? Like chances are you're not descended from vikings you weird chinless wonder.
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Feb 22, 2024 19:56
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Watch it turns out they are, but their viking ancestor is Ulf the Knave or something who was just as much of a dweeby pimply uggo as they are Like yeah, not only idolize an arbitrary race of humans from some random point in history, also picture them as just rank on rank of square-jawed Chippendale dancers because that's how humans work
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Feb 22, 2024 20:04
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Flopsy posted:My question is why the gently caress do the chuds have this ongoing obsession with nordic mythology? Like chances are you're not descended from vikings you weird chinless wonder.
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Feb 22, 2024 20:25
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W6q6OZGcOg Thor Odinson. You know this fucker has 88 tattoo'ed on his arm and he's about as much as a viking as trailer park trash is. Either with many chins or none at all! In short, idiots like that exist to be mocked and made fun of. Utter complete trash. I'm being kind here, I can't use the words I want to use because someone already wants me banned badly enough as it is. Remember, anything not to their liking is woke. Usually anything non straight Christian. Despite them calling themselves vikings and giving them Odin, Thor and other such names from said mythology. Using rune imagery even. But yeah, that massive successful show with a massive rabid fanbase sure did fail horribly, that's why its' getting a season two. I love that this type of person is often the type of person the two shows Hazbin and Helluva tend to mock. The Last Call fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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Feb 22, 2024 21:59
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The Last Call posted:Thor Odinson. I honestly found the post entirely confusing because both BG3 and the show are doing gangbusters so it's a weird rear end take all round. Like if nobody was talking about it or it was getting Velma reactions maybe I'd get it but that's not what's happening. Reading poo poo like this has the same vibe of a white supremacist ranting about how black people smell different. Genuinely baffling and only understandable to the select few who have Grecian busts for their avatars.
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Feb 23, 2024 00:59
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Flopsy posted:I honestly found the post entirely confusing because both BG3 and the show are doing gangbusters so it's a weird rear end take all round. Like if nobody was talking about it or it was getting Velma reactions maybe I'd get it but that's not what's happening. Reading poo poo like this has the same vibe of a white supremacist ranting about how black people smell different. Genuinely baffling and only understandable to the select few who have Grecian busts for their avatars. They kind of live in their own bubbles talking about how bad something is. It's like Disney, they poo poo talk Disney all the time, make a billion videoes about certain Marvel and Star Wars movies. Any time something doesn't do well or fails to succeed they play it up as an example of "Go woke go broke". Meanwhile how profitable is Disney again? More than ever is the answer. They're doing more expansions soon. DeSantis tried to do whatever he wanted to them and at the end was basically pleading for them to end the feud he started since they could easily screw him over if they really wanted. Smart people these are not. They're all about cutting off their own nose to spite their face. Their world view is so narrow and limited. Women can vote? WOKE Not Christian? WOKE A woman kissed another woman? WOKE Another woman rejected them? WOKE They changed how toast is made? WOKE They been making GBS threads the bed all year? WOKE It's an easy word to say and most of the time they don't even know what it means. Ever see the interviews when people got asked what it meant? They can't. They don't know. Creative thinking is too difficult for them. It's basically anything or anyone they don't like. Because they're loving morons and the trash of humanity. Want to know the one good part? They're dying out. They are fading away. It scares them. It makes them afraid. Attitudes and viewpoints are changing. It's why they're making so much noise now and becoming such zealots that make the Taliban blush. Know all the immigrants and minorities that they are so disdainful of? A part of them realize they are marching towards becoming exactly that. They are not going to be the majority. They're nothing more than the walking dead screaming.
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Feb 23, 2024 01:22
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not to derail making GBS threads on a dude who calls himself Thor Odinson, but I noticed a tiny detail in my Nth rewatch. In the background of Lucifer's office, it looks like a pic of Lucifer and Zestial when they were "younger"? EDIT I want to emphasize that making GBS threads on a dude who calls themselves Thor Odinson is extremely cool and good
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Feb 23, 2024 01:52
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That's not Zestial. That's a different character we haven't met yet, some kind of Lovecraftian themed family.
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Feb 23, 2024 01:59
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Macaluso posted:That's not Zestial. That's a different character we haven't met yet, some kind of Lovecraftian themed family. They've introduced them - it's the patriarch of the family whose son Charlie went to Hell Prom with. I forgot the name.
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Feb 23, 2024 02:00
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Nah that's fine, such talk can get tiring and wear on a person. We have to deal with it offline enough as it is it feels like these days. As for that picture, that isn't Zestiel. That's Frederick Von Eldritch. His son was Charlie's boyfriend. You can see a picture of the two families in the pilot.  Happier times.
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Feb 23, 2024 02:03
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Lol why do I keep thinking Octavia is Olivia. Probably because Owlivia would be a good pun
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Feb 23, 2024 04:05
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Yeah, the Von Eldritch, who MAY be connected to Envy? Kinda funny to throw in the Lovecraft references in a setting otherwise based on Christian mythology.
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Feb 23, 2024 06:51
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Yeah, the Von Eldritch, who MAY be connected to Envy? Kinda funny to throw in the Lovecraft references in a setting otherwise based on Christian mythology. Eh, s'fine. Admitting off the bat you're cherry picking stuff because you think it's neat is fine with me. Hell I'm doing it right now. If I had to give any writing advice write something you wish you could've read at some point in your life.
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Feb 23, 2024 07:25
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Happy Landfill posted:loving love it when artists post their refs for their animation! This poo poo is so cool! Just wanna dredge this up because I saw it when skimming the thread to catch up. I super love the fact that these shows are not just traditionally animated, but going absolutely balls-to-the-wall with the quality and ambition of the animation. A decade or so ago I was getting pretty nervous that Flash and CGI would take over the animation world and traditional 2D stuff would gradually die out and be treated as an expensive and impractical relic by penny-pinching studios. Which of course is still a danger, especially in the age of the "live-action remake", but way less so than I was afraid of. Shows like this (and more mainstream stuff too) are finding a good balance where they can give the audience the vibrancy of hand-drawn 2D but augmented with judicious use of CGI elements and Flash and other such tools whose labor-saving benefit is obvious when used well. And Hazbin/HB is just so ridiculously lavish in its directing and its acting and emoting and the feature-level smoothness of characters' movements. Given its crowdsourced roots (which is also finding expression in things like Lackadaisy and The Brave Locomotive) it's hardly a surprise, but it's absolutely invigorating to see that there is this much enthusiasm in artists who really want to pull out all the stops to remind everyone why traditional animation is so irresistible, and the more so the more effort goes into it.
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Feb 23, 2024 17:28
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I'm still flabbergasted at the amount of detail they put into character designs, only to somehow have them still work in motion. Remember showing them to an artist friend of mine and their response being that they must hate their animators.
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Feb 23, 2024 17:32
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It's why it's funny to see posts about how the animators are being forced to do designs that are too hard to animate and must be miserable, because after every single episode of both Hazbin and Helluva Boss the animators are like okay now that the episodes are out, here are the roughs/in betweens/clean ups/storybioards/FX work/etc etc and they're all super stoked. My favorite instance of this is when the Queen Bee episode finally came out, you had the haters constantly saying "oh my god I can't believe slave driver Viv forced the animators to work on such a hard and complicated design", meanwhile you had every animator that worked on the episode posting about what a joy it was working on Queen Bee specifically. Also cool about her was the FX person who made her hair so that it was basically an already animated rig that they were able to just place on the character and morph the shape to how the character moved. If I'm understanding how it was done. So the hardest part to animation ended up being having a shortcut for it anyway since it was animated by a separate group. Similar to her stomach animations, but that was done by a different person. Ironslave posted:I'm still flabbergasted at the amount of detail they put into character designs, only to somehow have them still work in motion. Remember showing them to an artist friend of mine and their response being that they must hate their animators. There's something to be said for how fun it is to draw Viv's design and style. There was a whole thread from an animator about this, but I can attest as someone who has drawn a bunch of Helluva Boss/Hazbin fanart now, the characters are just fun to draw which probably helps when a character is particularly detailed, like as I mentioned above with Beezlebub Macaluso fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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Feb 23, 2024 17:35
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Yeah, for a free animated webseries HB has a ton of effort put into it (both in terms of animation and even guest stars). It’s impressive honestly
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Feb 23, 2024 17:39
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Larryb posted:Yeah, for a free animated webseries Never mind the qualifier, it’s impressive by any standard. I’d put it toe to toe with just about anything I can think of. I don’t even understand how it’s possible
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Feb 23, 2024 17:44
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One thing that stands out to me is the bedazzles on Husk's wings. Normally you'd hear about how something like that'd be hard to animate, but it always looks good in motion.
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Feb 23, 2024 17:48
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Macaluso posted:It's why it's funny to see posts about how the animators are being forced to do designs that are too hard to animate and must be miserable, because after every single episode of both Hazbin and Helluva Boss the animators are like okay now that the episodes are out, here are the roughs/in betweens/clean ups/storybioards/FX work/etc etc and they're all super stoked. My favorite instance of this is when the Queen Bee episode finally came out, you had the haters constantly saying "oh my god I can't believe slave driver Viv forced the animators to work on such a hard and complicated design", meanwhile you had every animator that worked on the episode posting about what a joy it was working on Queen Bee specifically. yeah. like i feel like if your working on her team(or any indie animation honestly), you have to be doing it because you love what your doing. I feel like people hear horror stories like that animation studio that helped make MLP and assume thats all animation, which yeah, it can be a lovely field and you can get hosed into awful crunch jobs, but Viv and alot of other indie teams seem to be pretty solid.
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Feb 23, 2024 17:56
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Data Graham posted:Never mind the qualifier, it’s impressive by any standard. I’d put it toe to toe with just about anything I can think of. I don’t even understand how it’s possible Seriously, have Viv and her staff done any major work in the animation industry prior to these two shows? Because this is unironically some of the best I’ve ever seen (the Queen Bee episode and the most recent one where Fizz cut ties with Mammon were especially impressive in that regard) Larryb fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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Feb 23, 2024 17:59
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Larryb posted:Seriously, have Viv and her staff done any major work in the animation industry prior to these two shows? Because this is unironically some of the best I’ve ever seen (the Queen Bee episode and the most recent one where Fizz cut ties with Mammon were especially impressive in that regard) The animators that work on the show have worked on plenty of other stuff, including Lackadaisy, the Digital Circus, and plenty of other stuff. There's also plenty of animators that have worked on the show that have been around sinces the Newgrounds days, Gregzilla is one I think about often that does a ton of great work on the show.
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Feb 23, 2024 18:04
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I know the key animator on "Loser, Baby" also did the "Nothing Left to Lose" song animation in Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure.
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Feb 23, 2024 18:08
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Nodosaur posted:One thing that stands out to me is the bedazzles on Husk's wings. Normally you'd hear about how something like that'd be hard to animate, but it always looks good in motion. This is what my friend specifically mentioned when I was showing them various characters.
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