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Thufir is a weird do nothing character. His whole story is thinking about things that he doesn't end up doing and failing to do the one thing he's actually supposed to do. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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Arglebargle III posted:Thufir is a weird do nothing character He was there to die to show how much devotion Paul commanded lol if Denis cut that out
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Feb 22, 2024 03:17
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I felt it was obvious from part 1 that thufir was being considered for a cut in part 2. Just because of the way he is in it structurally, it's way too easy for the non dune posting audience to forget who he is by the time he would turn up again, unless you do like lynch did and give him what we call in the business "the rat milking scene"
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Feb 22, 2024 03:22
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Not only is he a weird character, he's hard to adapt to the screen. Thufir thinks about stuff and doesn't do anything. Without access to his internal monologue there isn't much left of the character.
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Feb 22, 2024 03:48
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Steve Yun posted:lol if Denis cut that out I'm prepared to clear you to lol in disappointment with me.
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Feb 22, 2024 03:56
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Arglebargle III posted:Not only is he a weird character, he's hard to adapt to the screen. Thufir thinks about stuff and doesn't do anything. Without access to his internal monologue there isn't much left of the character. Not only that, but denis also cut the 'thufir and gurney think jessica is a spy' thing which is really a huge part of both of them plot wise. I don't know what gurney really has to do in denis part 2 besides be the loyal and wants revenge guy
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Feb 22, 2024 03:58
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They'll probably have TBN playing Fenring take the place of the baron's mentat.
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Feb 22, 2024 05:06
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Arglebargle III posted:Thufir is a weird do nothing character. he's literally me
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Feb 22, 2024 06:24
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PeterWeller posted:Yes. Dune's plot is relatively simple and straight-forward because Dune is about critically examining that plot and the people and power structures that enact it. You're not supposed to have trouble following what's happening. The book wants that to be clear, so you can concentrate on why it's happening. Kinda funny that the first Dune movie got blown out of the water by Star Wars, as down the track, I feel like Star Wars being monolithic and well known for playing the space fairy tale more or less straight helps Dune stand out by playing similar elements in a way meant to be more sinister and ambiguous, and highlight how hosed up they are. It's bit like how, and I kinda hate to say it, Joss Whedon actually had a point saying that the Watchmen movie came out too early; iirc there's been people rewatching it recently and realising how many elements of superhero comics that it critiqued and portrayed the sinister implications of before the movies got around to adapting them less ironically. The Comedian being a Captain America/Winter Soldier analogue, Dr Manhattan exploding the Viet Cong brings to mind Wonder Woman storming No Man's Land (could even be deliberate there, thanks Snyder) and billionaire genius playboy philanthropists becoming more of a threat than the villains they fought ever were when they try to solve the problems of global instability. The Atreides and Harkonnen forces being basically just different kinds of villain coded, a bunch of marching, hailing Imperial officers vs pale bald skittering War Boys, the Atreides ships as massive angular 2001 monoliths that emerge like a cyclopean city from the deep. The mysterious mystical Bene Gesserit order dress like mourners and the highest praise they can give you is considering you a human being with agency. (Heh, Nier Automata vibes) While it does lose a lot in missing the inner monologues and the background that gives context to the narrative, the effort to make visuals of what can only be called epic scale that also maintain the intended tone are definitely are doing the work to make up for it. The entire aesthetic imo gets the right feel across with the extremely minimalistic, angular and brutalist look; this isn't a setting of whimsy or even the fun kind of decadence, with battle pugs and designer pustules, this is a world where everything and everyone is a tool that serves a purpose, and anything that doesn't serve a purpose is not considered to have a right to exist. (Less like the Imperium and more like the Tau, ha)
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Feb 22, 2024 06:58
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They can drop Thufir as long as they BIFAR
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Feb 22, 2024 07:19
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Scags McDouglas posted:Oof, spoiler heavy of a review. Good. Not being able to talk about a piece of art infantilises the discussion. I mean sure let people know first, but it's kind of insane this is an issue for a wildly famous 60 year old novel.
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Feb 22, 2024 09:13
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Kinda funny that the first Dune movie got blown out of the water by Star Wars, as down the track, I feel like Star Wars being monolithic and well known for playing the space fairy tale more or less straight helps Dune stand out by playing similar elements in a way meant to be more sinister and ambiguous, and highlight how hosed up they are. Excellent post.
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Feb 22, 2024 09:15
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Battle pugs? Ridiculous... dogs are for sitting on
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Feb 22, 2024 11:29
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sebmojo posted:Good. Not being able to talk about a piece of art infantilises the discussion. I mean sure let people know first, but it's kind of insane this is an issue for a wildly famous 60 year old novel. Sorry, I'm trying to follow. (Really). I assume you mean it's good the reviews had spoilers, and not that a major character was erased. I'm perfectly with you that spoilers following the novel aren't a big deal (All 3 main Harkonnens are getting knifed), but it turns into a gray area when it's spoiling how the adaptation is choosing to greatly diverge from the plot. ie Thufir retired to a proverbial farm, Paul is going to kill the Baron, Alia is indeed just an adult vision etc.
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Feb 22, 2024 16:53
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sebmojo posted:Good. Not being able to talk about a piece of art infantilises the discussion. I mean sure let people know first, but it's kind of insane this is an issue for a wildly famous 60 year old novel. I ain’t read the thing and it’s not real life. I saw the lynch movie but poo poo made no sense halfway through and sucked. So I honestly have no idea what’s coming next. If I get spoiled I guess I’ll live but I’m trying not too because its fun to be surprised
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Feb 22, 2024 18:59
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CelticPredator posted:I ain’t read the thing and it’s not real life. How do you feel about big worms?
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Feb 22, 2024 19:51
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Scags McDouglas posted:Oof, spoiler heavy of a review. idk, Thufir's final act never really resonated with me "will this good guy kill the hero?" didn't exactly have me on the edge of my seat
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Feb 22, 2024 20:08
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:idk, Thufir's final act never really resonated with me "will this good guy kill the hero?" didn't exactly have me on the edge of my seat IDK I like the part that the Emperor deploys two assassins in a row- the first opting to die at Paul's feet and the other gettin' the ol Knife in Brain treatment. And Paul gets to stand there after like "You done with this??".
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Feb 22, 2024 20:35
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The fun of Hawat is how he uses the Harkonen to get revenge on the Padishah - by making the Baron more ambitious than he ever was before; to turn Feyd into the atriedes plan for Paul, a popular hero to usurp Corino's throne. Before he captured Thufir, the Baron wasn't thinking beyond kanly iirc
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Feb 22, 2024 20:35
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Aurubin posted:How do you feel about big worms? I have the bucket
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Feb 22, 2024 20:36
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Thufir is not a character I care a ton about in general, but it is a shame if he's being written out offscreen just because Stephen McKinley Henderson was really good in the role
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Feb 22, 2024 20:51
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https://www.empireonline.com/movies/reviews/dune-part-two/ baliset confirmed
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Feb 22, 2024 23:45
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D U N C: His Stillsuit is Full of Piss
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Feb 23, 2024 01:14
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I rewatched DUNC and I liked it a bit better a second time round. I kinda think the best part of the movie is all the stuff before theyr on arrakis setting up Paul as a freaky goth eugenics mutant First time round Jessica as a constantly teary eyed and terrified woman bugged me but it works as a different take on the character It kinda drags towards the end imo and I still really dislike the Jamis fight and lack of giving water to the dead. E and dont get me started on the palm trees Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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Feb 23, 2024 02:21
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They haven't gotten back to the sietch yet. I have to imagine one of the first scenes with Paul will be Jamis' funeral. To have so much focus on him in comparison to the previous two adaptations and then just skip the funeral would be galaxy-brained in its stupidity
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Feb 23, 2024 03:23
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I can't imagine the split between the two movies won't be a long timeskip.
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Feb 23, 2024 04:41
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MikeJF posted:I can't imagine the split between the two movies won't be a long timeskip. I want it to have no timeskip at all
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Feb 23, 2024 05:00
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comedy option: starts with no timeskip, then after 20 minutes does a timeskip
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Feb 23, 2024 05:05
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hailthefish posted:comedy option: starts with no timeskip, then after 20 minutes does a timeskip That's basically what it would be if they did start with things like Jamis' funeral though. The book has a few long time jumps built into it.
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Feb 23, 2024 05:07
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MikeJF posted:That's basically what it would be if they did start with things like Jamis' funeral though. The book has a few long time jumps built into it. that's why I recognized it as a possibility 
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Feb 23, 2024 05:09
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I'd imagine they have to have the spice orgy, and you'd have to have that before the timeskip for little fetal Alia to get all spiced up.
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Feb 23, 2024 05:16
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Baron von Eevl posted:I'd imagine they have to have the spice orgy, and you'd have to have that before the timeskip for little fetal Alia to get all spiced up. IIRC in the books there's actually two noticeable skips: they join the Fremen, there's a six month skip, we catch up with things and how they've integrated and Jessica becomes a Reverend Mother, and then a two year skip to the ending plan. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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Feb 23, 2024 05:22
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unless they're gonna show the birth of murder-baby it's going to have to follow a tight schedule.
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Feb 23, 2024 05:25
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MikeJF posted:IIRC in the books there's actually two noticeable skips: they join the Fremen, there's a six month skip, we catch up with things and how they've integrated and Jessica becomes a Reverend Mother, and then a two year skip to the ending plan. No, the water of life stuff happens really really quickly after they get back to Tabr, within a day or two. Chani is freshly mourning Liet at the ceremony, and Paul and Jessica react to everyone/thing as if they've never seen any of it before. It's the first time Jessica and Paul meet Ramallo, it's the first time Paul sees Chani out of a stillsuit. Paul doesn't realize the purpose of the gathering until it's underway, Jessica decided to try to become a Reverend Mother for the Fremen without even knowing what it entailed or consulting Paul. I had no choice but to do this, she thought. We must move swiftly if we're to secure our place among these Fremen. The urgency is that Tabr is being evacuated that night (because now that the Harkonnens are back they're hunting Fremen again) and Ramallo doesn't think she can survive the journey south. Jessica jumps on the opportunity. Plus if they'd been there for months it'd be obvious that Jessica is pregnant.
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Feb 23, 2024 06:38
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Prolonged Panorama posted:No, the water of life stuff happens really really quickly after they get back to Tabr, within a day or two. Chani is freshly mourning Liet at the ceremony, and Paul and Jessica react to everyone/thing as if they've never seen any of it before. It's the first time Jessica and Paul meet Ramallo, it's the first time Paul sees Chani out of a stillsuit. Paul doesn't realize the purpose of the gathering until it's underway, Jessica decided to try to become a Reverend Mother for the Fremen without even knowing what it entailed or consulting Paul. True that, I think the fact that they arrive and almost immediately make an impression is important- the whole deal with the BG spreading messianic prophecies around planetary cultures is specifically so a BG in a position like Jessica can find a ready-made niche for her and a convenient child to slot into and assume a position of power, even somewhere they don't otherwise know. They need to not just adapt but become prominent quickly to take that opportunity.
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Feb 23, 2024 06:49
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I would do Jamis' funeral in the pre-credits open to introduce sietch life and the acceptance of Paul as the Mahdi , giving water etc. Then credits and big time jump. But of course, refer to my username
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Feb 23, 2024 10:08
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If the now released soundtrack is anything to go by. The movie will cover the Sietch scene early on and the Water of Life scene soon after.
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Feb 23, 2024 11:04
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lot of bitching about the dune popcorn worm i will buy two
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Feb 23, 2024 11:30
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Failed Imagineer posted:But of course, refer to my username Alright Buckle, settle down.
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