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BlankSystemDaemon posted:If I'm working on mdoc(7) or AsciiDoc for FreeBSD, I use nano for syntax highlighting and columnation. "must be readable without a gui" doesn't imply "must be readable in an 80x25 console" are you guys regularly using 80-column screens?
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yeah, basically instead of for disk in $(find /dev/disk/by-id -not -name '*-part*'); do smartctl -a $disk >$(basename $disk); done I forgot the basename and whoops
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NihilCredo posted:"must be readable without a gui" doesn't imply "must be readable in an 80x25 console" Point is, if you have to rootcause using a 80x25 console over a serial link, you can.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:My ttyv0 is at 194x60 on a 2560*1440 monitor. yes, that was my question. how many times have you had to git bisect (or equivalent) from a serial console within the last five years? I'm curious about the industry you work in if the answer is more than zero e: I've worked in very low-tech industries myself and connected my thinkpad to an usb-serial cable to inspect eg. an industrial scale's raw output. it's the "reading commit messages" part that makes me wonder
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basically the only time i'm using a serial console is if i seriously hosed something up (most likely, but still probably about once a decade) or trying to debug something very low level (extremely rare, almost never, last time was probably 2008)
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Antigravitas posted:yeah, basically instead of for disk in $(find /dev/disk/by-id -not -name '*-part*'); do smartctl -a $disk >$(basename $disk); done I forgot the basename and whoops not running your shell scripts through shellcheck is a rookie mistake. shameful.
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NihilCredo posted:yes, that was my question. how many times have you had to git bisect (or equivalent) from a serial console within the last five years? I'm curious about the industry you work in if the answer is more than zero foss culture has this 1960s brain damage about how 72/80 columns ought to be enough for anybody. that's all there is to it.
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i like 80 column terminals cos i can fit more of them on the screen at once but for coding i've moved onto 100 cols, languages fancier than C tend to be more verbose
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FlapYoJacks posted:not running your shell scripts through shellcheck is a rookie mistake. shameful. Shellcheck doesn't guard against logic errors, and I've never seen anyone run shellcheck against shell one-liners.
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i've never seen anyone run spellcheck against shell scripts, period lol i have a feeling it wouldn't like "case/esac" etc. very much
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although i do mess up one-liners way more often than formatted scripts, so i usually do that unless it's something really really simple. i still preface rm with echo first usually though i also like using functions in shell scripts to make it easier for me to debug e.g. typos or unterminated statements etc. but apparently this makes me a crazy person according to cjs
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Antigravitas posted:Shellcheck doesn't guard against logic errors, and I've never seen anyone run shellcheck against shell one-liners. It guards against several logic errors and lol at putting a for loop as a one line. Also, shellcheck would have spit out a SC2044 warning at you. 
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Beeftweeter posted:i've never seen anyone run spellcheck against shell scripts, period lol All of my scripts pass shellcheck -oall Also, CI/CD fails if shellcheck throws any warnings or errors. 
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NihilCredo posted:yes, that was my question. how many times have you had to git bisect (or equivalent) from a serial console within the last five years? I'm curious about the industry you work in if the answer is more than zero I'm no longer in an industry because of cancer therapies causing chronic extreme exhaustion, and I'm pretty sure any deployment I had control over would be using SoL the same way to deploy via automation tools. For installs: iPXE boot to a ISO+ZMFS FreeBSD image (ie. an ISO with a LZ77-compressed UFS filesystem with / using tmpfs), create partition and zpool, ZFS receive golden image, zfs receive snapshot upgrade, set the flag to the current update. For updates: ZFS receive newly generated ZFS boot environment, set bootonce flag and let the system figure out if it can boot (if not, the system will reboot back into the working environment, but hopefully that won't happen since it'll have been tested first). Cancer therapies also hosed with my memory, for the last five minutes I've been trying to remember the name of the thing that makes the system reboot automatically if there's no activity - but I'm utterly blanking on it, so I'm  ing.
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cancer loving sucks. lost my dad to it. I poured myself a scotch before i read your post, but now I will cheers to you full recovery
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hope you get well blanksystemdeamon
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spankmeister posted:cancer loving sucks. lost my dad to it. I poured myself a scotch before i read your post, but now I will cheers to you full recovery matti posted:hope you get well blanksystemdeamon There's just a long tail of side effects, but it's better than not being here. Still, I appreciate you both saying so.
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happy to hear that! no need to apologize at all
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I'm dedicating my second dram of whisky to "gently caress cancer"
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well wishes rescinded then but no i'm glad to hear that
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Eric Joyner helpfully reminded me that I was thinking of watchdogd, because I couldn't for the life of me remember it. There's also an IPMI watchdog that's got double the length, so the system will be restarted, if it doesn't come up properly. spankmeister posted:I'm dedicating my second dram of whisky to "gently caress cancer" What're you having?
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well i'm not much of a drinker but i'll vape a bowl to that
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FlapYoJacks posted:All of my scripts pass shellcheck -oall you're writing shell scripts serious enough to version control, ci/cd, and lint deep shame
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:it is interesting to learn that i am better at computers than people who know ed, seeing how i've never hosed one up bad enough to need it. hey its my job to gently caress it up, okay?!? needing to learn how to use ed on the fly meant i did a good job n stuff
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raising a couple fingers of Bruichladdaich Port Charlotte 10 to “gently caress cancer forever, amen”
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BobHoward posted:you're writing shell scripts serious enough to version control, ci/cd, and lint yeah lol the most version control i do is making a backup of a currently working copy sometimes
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Beeftweeter posted:yeah lol you can just use it in a local directory
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mystes posted:jesus christ use git already why? knock on wood and all, but it's never been a problem. i sometimes write some pretty complicated scripts, but nothing that i wouldn't be able to recreate pretty easily e: not critical to anything, either Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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yea nah if i forget how i did a thing in 2018 then i never knew how to do it at all, really. nothing of value was lost.
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yeah well if i forget how i did something in a plaintext script i usually just open the file and look at it
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basically, any program more complex than a throwaway shouldn't be written in shell script my opinion might be different if shell scripting languages were any good, but,,,, they arent
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bash scripting is pain. who came up with this syntax
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what do you mean, ${0##*/} is a perfectly cromulent substitution
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my shell/real language determinant is whether you need a data structure more complex than either a string or an integer you need an array of strings, or a ring buffer? to python3 with you!
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that reminds meAntigravitas posted:yeah, basically instead of for disk in $(find /dev/disk/by-id -not -name '*-part*'); do smartctl -a $disk >$(basename $disk); done I forgot the basename and whoops you could have just done for disk in $(ls /dev/disk/by-id); do disk=${disk%-part*}; smartctl -a /dev/disk/by-id/${disk##*/} >$disk; done (i guess?) e: yeah i actually tried it now, i had the variables reversed Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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BobHoward posted:basically, any program more complex than a throwaway shouldn't be written in shell script the only exception is if you need a single script to work on every posix os made in the last 40 years
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i really need to just use python for all scripting. i resort to shell scripts when i'm like "ehh i dont want to import stuff and write listdir(whatever) or run([something])" but then i end up having to write an if statement and i get to feel what true insanity is for a while
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