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Is it time to revisit the question of whether he's a flight risk again? The popular view seems to be "not until after he looses the election", but I will not be the least bit surprised if it happens earlier than that. Anyhow, he should not be free rn.
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small butter posted:I read that if Trump is able to get a bonding company to pay, he'd have to put up only 3% and collateral. 3% is nothing, but how does collateral work in this case? Does he simply pledge "I will give you this building if I can't pay"? I assume that if it’s a Trump Org property then the court appointed supervisor has to sign off that the property(s) is actually worth that amount and isn’t entangled in other contracts or obligations. Which is going to take more than the 30 days he has to appeal.
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Agents are GO! posted:The Trump Organization is the CERN of fraud. The Bigly Hadron Collider
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Feb 24, 2024 20:41
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Uglycat posted:Is it time to revisit the question of whether he's a flight risk again? No one to my knowledge has actually proposed a plausible mechanism by which an extremely famous and recognizable old man under constant Secret Service surveillance flees the country without being detected. When someone does it will be time to revisit the question. I mean, I'd be happy to see him in jail but it's because he's continuing to do harm right now, not because he's a flight risk.
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Uglycat posted:The popular view seems to be "not until after he looses the election", but I will not be the least bit surprised if it happens earlier than that. He’d have to be certain he wasn’t going win and would be facing real consequences.
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Killer robot posted:No one to my knowledge has actually proposed a plausible mechanism by which an extremely famous and recognizable old man under constant Secret Service surveillance flees the country without being detected. When someone does it will be time to revisit the question. He won't succeed, sure, but I wouldn't put it past him to try anyway.
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Pikavangelist posted:He won't succeed, sure, but I wouldn't put it past him to try anyway. Yeah, as one of the people who thinks he's most likely to try doing a runner at some point in the future, the word "try" is load-bearing. I've been specifically saying I can't wait for it because it's going to be a darkly comedic failure.
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Feb 24, 2024 20:59
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small butter posted:I read that if Trump is able to get a bonding company to pay, he'd have to put up only 3% and collateral. 3% is nothing, but how does collateral work in this case? Does he simply pledge "I will give you this building if I can't pay"? That is typically how collateralized debt works. The problem is finding a sufficiently unencumbered building and a bond company willing to do that deal with him. I suspect both will be very difficult. Also he needs 15 million cash which uhhh.
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Feb 24, 2024 21:02
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Xiahou Dun posted:Yeah, as one of the people who thinks he's most likely to try doing a runner at some point in the future, the word "try" is load-bearing. I've been specifically saying I can't wait for it because it's going to be a darkly comedic failure. Look at whom the last lawyer was in a trial where he ended up being on the hook for $350 million +. But when it comes to evading the justice system, that's when he's finally going to spend the big bucks and hire Jack Bauer, Sam Fisher and Cate Archer to get him out of the country.
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Feb 24, 2024 21:11
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Does the interest on the fraud judgement (which is something like $110k/day) pause during the appeal process (assuming Trump somehow posts the bond), or does it continue accruing the entire time, and then get tagged on once that's all finished?
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haveblue posted:The Bigly Hadron Collider We've discovered a new type of fraud that only exists for milliseconds in laboratory conditions.
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Uglycat posted:Is it time to revisit the question of whether he's a flight risk again? I don't see why that question would be particularly relevant right now? He's not facing jail as a result of this particular case, and even if he were to flee, all his money is tied up in bank accounts the court already has its eye on and properties that he can't take with him.
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Killer robot posted:No one to my knowledge has actually proposed a plausible mechanism by which an extremely famous and recognizable old man under constant Secret Service surveillance flees the country without being detected. When someone does it will be time to revisit the question. You're making the assumption that the USSS would be opposed to him skipping town. They seem to have been pretty strong fans of his so for all we know they'd permit it or even abet it. Also if he hasn't been barred from leaving the country (I don't know if he has or not but I feel like I remember it specifically not being imposed?) then the fact certain people know about it would, from the perspective of what they can or must do about it, be met with "So what? He's allowed to travel."
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Killer robot posted:No one to my knowledge has actually proposed a plausible mechanism by which an extremely famous and recognizable old man under constant Secret Service surveillance flees the country without being detected. When someone does it will be time to revisit the question. “Hey guys, going to bed. See you tomorrow!” Walks down stairs at Mar-a-lago and out the delivery entrance into a car, drives 3 minutes to marina, gets on boat registered to someone else. Leaves. Two hours later in Miami gets on a plane owned by someone else, flies off.
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Feb 24, 2024 21:54
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Ms Adequate posted:You're making the assumption that the USSS would be opposed to him skipping town. They seem to have been pretty strong fans of his so for all we know they'd permit it or even abet it. That's kinds my take. I don't know what his specific bond conditions are but he'd have to be actively stopped and depending on how he did it that might not be a guarantee. He could, like, get on his plane and then just lie about the flight plan and dare anyone to have the balls to shoot him down. He has his own plane. Of course he's a flight risk.
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Feb 24, 2024 21:56
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Murgos posted:“Hey guys, going to bed. See you tomorrow!” Found the weak link in that plan.
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Feb 24, 2024 21:58
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'im a criminal now so black people can relate to me and they like me now' is such a shitball cocktail of the ways racist people think they're all chummy with their Don't Get Me Wrongs that it is giving me impressive flashbacks to well dealing with trump supporters in my life. multiple
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Feb 24, 2024 22:11
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Murgos posted:“Hey guys, going to bed. See you tomorrow!” Gets on his own loving jet liner in the middle of the day and just flies away
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Feb 24, 2024 22:25
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mobby_6kl posted:Gets on his own loving jet liner in the middle of the day and just flies away Or that. I was just trying to avoid having his secret service detail have an opportunity to interject themselves, not that I think they would stop him if he was all, “going to Russia now, bye” right to their faces.
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Feb 24, 2024 22:30
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No one gave Trump a 5m bond. No one gave him an 83m bond, due tomorrow. It would seem 454 is right out. The appeal isn't a good bet. Collecting on the debt when Trump is the sitting president is a very bad risk.
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Feb 24, 2024 22:37
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elhondo posted:No one gave Trump a 5m bond. No one gave him an 83m bond, due tomorrow. It would seem 454 is right out. The appeal isn't a good bet. Collecting on the debt when Trump is the sitting president is a very bad risk. I'd assume the bond company and/or NY courts could garnish his paychecks somehow, in which case (assuming they got 100% of his checks for a second term) they'd only be short $3.4 million for the first Carol defamation judgement.
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azflyboy posted:I'd assume the bond company and/or NY courts could garnish his paychecks somehow, in which case (assuming they got 100% of his checks for a second term) they'd only be short $3.4 million for the first Carol defamation judgement. again he'd probably just do the "oh I'm not taking a presidential salary" thing he claims that he did for his first term.
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I thought he took the salary, but "donated" it.
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azflyboy posted:I thought he took the salary, but "donated" it. His tax returns can neither confirm nor deny this. Also whatever he said personally is 99.9% certain to be a lie anyway.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Yeah, as one of the people who thinks he's most likely to try doing a runner at some point in the future, the word "try" is load-bearing. I've been specifically saying I can't wait for it because it's going to be a darkly comedic failure. If anyone follows the Dan Markel murder case, it was a whole conspiracy and the mother in law was snagged with one foot on a plane to Vietnam. God bless body cam footage. Anyway, if that happened to Trump I would checks notes... lol
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Staluigi posted:'im a criminal now so black people can relate to me and they like me now' is such a shitball cocktail of the ways racist people think they're all chummy with their Don't Get Me Wrongs that it is giving me impressive flashbacks to Even if one were to spin these statements in the most positive light possible ("I'm being unfairly treated by a biased justice system just like you people"), he's basically acknowledging a core tenet of Critical Race Theory.
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Surely once he becomes president again he'll get to fixing all this injustice on day one!
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mobby_6kl posted:Gets on his own loving jet liner in the middle of the day and just flies away I’m fairly sure Trump does not know how to fly a jet liner.
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Comedy scenario: Trump is free to flee but has been forced to sell everything, including his jet, and is too proud to fly commercial
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DarkHorse posted:Comedy scenario: Trump is free to flee but has been forced to sell everything, including his jet, and is too proud to fly commercial Trump is picked up on a raft headed to Cuba.
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Murgos posted:Or that. I was just trying to avoid having his secret service detail have an opportunity to interject themselves, not that I think they would stop him if he was all, “going to Russia now, bye” right to their faces. The Secret Service detail is offered to former presidents, Trump can simple waive the protection at any time. He literally has to just say "don't follow me" and they won't. It is not their job to detain or prevent him from doing anything, they are a voluntary security detail.
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kzin602 posted:The Secret Service detail is offered to former presidents, Trump can simple waive the protection at any time. He literally has to just say "don't follow me" and they won't. It is not their job to detain or prevent him from doing anything, they are a voluntary security detail. As the leading candidate for President, at what point would he get the detail regardless?
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C. Everett Koop posted:As the leading candidate for President, at what point would he get the detail regardless? Generally after the officially nomination, but he's kind of unique in that he's a former one and he probably likes having armed guards he can order around. Obama got the security detail when Hillary was refusing to drop out, iirc. Especially after she randomly mused about Bobby Kennedy.
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It's so funny that Haley is going for a Homer win. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvIISDoarU
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Haha someone did it: https://trumpdebtcounter.com/
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Trump is not really in control of his businesses in NY but the monitor is, correct? So what happens when the deadline comes? Is the monitor looking at what to liquidate now or does that process start at the deadline? Does she liquidate? Does Letitia James? How long does liquidation take for something like this?
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small butter posted:Trump is not really in control of his businesses in NY but the monitor is, correct? So what happens when the deadline comes? Is the monitor looking at what to liquidate now or does that process start at the deadline? Does she liquidate? Does Letitia James? How long does liquidation take for something like this? Appealing a judgment generally pauses that judgement. Depending on the state and type of case the law can impose certain requirements before a defendant can appeal - and thus pause - a judgment. Criminal defendants, for instance, generally need to stay on bail conditions during their appeal. The requirement in NY civil cases is (apparently) to put the judgment amount in the court's escrow. If Trump can't do that, then he can't appeal, which means the judgment doesn't pause. If the judgement doesn't pause it becomes a "final judgment" which is a legal term of art referring to when all the appeals are done. Like here, he has thirty days to appeal and if he doesn't then the judgment becomes final at the end of that thirty days. A plaintiff can then take that final judgment and do alllllllllllllll sorts of fun and exciting things. Those things, however, all require more paperwork, but at that point the judgment is bulletproof so it's not like he can hope to ignore it. His interest in those buildings gets sold, his bank accounts get handed over, and his nonessential stuff gets seized and sold. I would only be speculating what the paperwork would entail, but likely some judge would authorize the title transfer like when cars get seized with drugs and guns in them, then the municipality flips it out of the impound lot. There's process for it. I know you asked for specifics of what that process is but that's outside my expertise sorry.
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Ms Adequate posted:You're making the assumption that the USSS would be opposed to him skipping town. They seem to have been pretty strong fans of his so for all we know they'd permit it or even abet it. Commander and Major have been trying to warn us, but nobody will listen. It amazes me that of all the Presidents in my lifetime, Donald Trump is the one to somehow instill a near undying loyalty in the Secret Service. There's no way he was kinder to them or treated them better than of the other Presidents. Yet he's the only one who got enough buy in and support that they even helped try and cover his rear end in his coupe attempt. Like, I can kind of get how some dumbfuck who only knows the powerful businessman and wealthy billionaire he sees on TV can believe in Big Daddy Trump. But how the hell do you hang around with that disgusting hate golem 24/7 and decide you're a ride or die bitch.
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Gyges posted:Commander and Major have been trying to warn us, but nobody will listen. I think we just cannot grok his appeal to cops and cop-adjacent people, like we get it intellectually and can write reams about why, but without feeling it ourselves it can never truly make sense to us. Or maybe they're all super petty bitches and were just immensely overjoyed at Trump constantly poo poo-talking all the diplomats and congresspeople and reporters that their professionalism restricts them from doing. On the money topic, I think I just thought of the funniest possible outcome of the appeal, which is that he manages to just eke out the needed amount to lodge the appeal through various desperate gambles and loans he insists he'll pay back once this thing is overturned and he's President again; and then Habba does some sort of cataclysmic procedural gently caress up and the appeal isn't actually filed.
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