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Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012


As we all know, Russia can't fight in snow, so therefore

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DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004


Slippery Tilde

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

Slavvy posted:

As we all know, Russia can't fight in snow, so therefore

now give the pinguins artillery and see what happens

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Danann posted:

flying flower-2s lawnmowers are cheap at 50k a pop, scalable, and have a lot of room for improvement :stare:

Good. Just get Hezbollah their own version.

fizziester
Dec 21, 2023

Have the Houthis already learned why the US doesn't have free healthcare?

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

it’s still just the Americans who know that

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Would be more useful practicing producing artillery shells imo

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Air assaults by NATO Forces in the Russian Arctic without clear supply lines don't seem like they would go very well to be honest.

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010
Odysseus craft’s moon mission to be cut short after sideways landing
Intuitive Machines, private company behind lander, says mission will end after five days rather than the expected to seven to 10

quote:

An Intuitive Machines official said the loss of the range finders stemmed from the company’s decision to forego a pre-launch test-firing of the laser system to save time and money during pre-flight checks of Odysseus at Nasa’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

“There were certainly things we could’ve done to test it and actually fire it. They would’ve been very time-consuming and very costly,” Mike Hansen, the company’s head of navigation systems, told Reuters in an interview on Saturday. “So that was a risk as a company that we acknowledged and took that risk.“

On Friday, Intuitive Machines had disclosed that the laser range finders – designed to feed altitude and forward-velocity readings to Odysseus’ autonomous navigation system – were inoperable because company engineers neglected to unlock the lasers’ safety switch before launch on 15 February. The safety lock, akin to a firearm’s safety switch, can only be disabled by hand.

love the groundbreaking innovation and agility from privatising the space program

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022
lol

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Odysseus craft’s moon mission to be cut short after sideways landing
Intuitive Machines, private company behind lander, says mission will end after five days rather than the expected to seven to 10

love the groundbreaking innovation and agility from privatising the space program

Well, seems like they should go and unlock it by hand then.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!
it's worse in every way than the things we did in the 60s, but this time it also cost orders of magnitude more




hey wait

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Ardennes posted:

Air assaults by NATO Forces in the Russian Arctic without clear supply lines don't seem like they would go very well to be honest.

I think their marketing channel was closed after an unspecified event a couple years back but Kalashnikov the company used to have a YouTube video up showing how their products fare versus Western competitors in freezing conditions.

Found a reupload on some 3rd party channel to save anyone a search. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVOD1sPFIhQ
(it's just a guy in the Russian winter on a range at night)

To save anyone a watch: Weapons designed for deserts and jungles don't work as well in the cold. You don't need to be a genius to figure that out but if you wanted to see it in action now you can.

So anyway what light arms are our infantry using again?

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



sounds like there's an opportunity for The Market to address the issue by making the Cold Operations Carbine Kit for M4s at 5,000 USD a pop. the mic will see its utility in arctic theaters and eagerly swallow it up

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Yeah, other channels have backed it up, that ARs just generally don't do that well in the cold generally, especially if is extreme cold.

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

The US military still uses M14s for extreme cold but I could easily them them “modernizing” again for a low low cost of 10k per unit or something

Facehammer
Mar 11, 2008

Owlbear Camus posted:

sounds like there's an opportunity for The Market to address the issue by making the Cold Operations Carbine Kit for M4s at 5,000 USD a pop. the mic will see its utility in arctic theaters and eagerly swallow it up

This is amateur hour stuff. You need to come up with a whole new rifle specifically for arctic conditions, which of course uses an entirely new calibre of ammunition which you market as being the optimal choice for those conditions.

Then you need to make half the parts out of an alloy that goes brittle past about -10C so you can sell a ton of spare parts.

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

You need a proprietary optic mounting system “optimized for the conditions” as well that only fits your company’s optics. The first generation will fog up to the point of uselessness in those actual conditions because hey only the mounting system is designed to withstand cold, you didn’t say anything about the optic. But we can fix that if you give us the contract.

fizziester
Dec 21, 2023


Troop forum modding sure is something.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

The US military still uses M14s for extreme cold but I could easily them them “modernizing” again for a low low cost of 10k per unit or something

The M14 even if it is modernized is still a giant heavy semi-auto battle rifle, a modern AK is going to be far better off.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Owlbear Camus posted:

sounds like there's an opportunity for The Market to address the issue by making the Cold Operations Carbine Kit for M4s at 5,000 USD a pop. the mic will see its utility in arctic theaters and eagerly swallow it up

the main cold weather kit for an M4/16 is a completely different lubrication, lubricating oil, arctic weapons, (LAW), which you apply after removing off all the normal LSA lubricant, carrying covers for when just in transport, sometimes trigger guards for mittens.

If you don't strip out the old lubricant first, it freezes at extreme low temps, which is bad for the gun's operation. And in general in extreme cold, it's more important than ever for individual troops to keep their weapons dry and not to use personally procured commercial lubes or oils on their weapon.

When people use regular lube because it works fine in like 20F (-7C) or something, they're really setting themselves up for failure when they encounter arctic temps like -20 or -40F.

mlmp08 has issued a correction as of 15:47 on Feb 27, 2024

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

fizziester posted:

Troop forum modding sure is something.

It sure is lol

Butter Activities has issued a correction as of 16:06 on Feb 27, 2024

Halser
Aug 24, 2016

DancingShade posted:

Look the US defence industry can absolutely deliver the everything needed at acceptable cost, timeframe and shareholder value. We just need one thing.

Let's bring back slave labour. Lots of drums and whips too.

where there's a whip, there's a way

Mandel Brotset
Jan 1, 2024

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Odysseus craft’s moon mission to be cut short after sideways landing
Intuitive Machines, private company behind lander, says mission will end after five days rather than the expected to seven to 10

love the groundbreaking innovation and agility from privatising the space program

lol amazing

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024


Every single year people get hurt in snowmobile training, including a bunch of the Americans that come up to do their winter warfare stuff here.

Stick to skis and snowshoes.

Also, you have to use graphite lube on everything, not just firearms. A lot of people get stuck zippers, which is just embarrassing, or can't open their vehicle doors etc.

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 16:33 on Feb 27, 2024

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

DancingShade posted:

Look the US defence industry can absolutely deliver the everything needed at acceptable cost, timeframe and shareholder value. We just need one thing.

Let's bring back slave labour. Lots of drums and whips too.

One step ahead of you bud. Innovation is foundational to our free way of life

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-106240

SixteenShells
Sep 30, 2021

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Odysseus craft’s moon mission to be cut short after sideways landing
Intuitive Machines, private company behind lander, says mission will end after five days rather than the expected to seven to 10

love the groundbreaking innovation and agility from privatising the space program

Wait what the gently caress? That's not a problem a pre-flight test fire would have caught, that's something you have a checklist item for. They didn't shake the part to smithereens with launch forces, they just forgot to turn the safety off. What the gently caress

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

SixteenShells posted:

Wait what the gently caress? That's not a problem a pre-flight test fire would have caught, that's something you have a checklist item for. They didn't shake the part to smithereens with launch forces, they just forgot to turn the safety off. What the gently caress

As they said, making sure the safety was off costs time and money.

Mandel Brotset
Jan 1, 2024

im surprised they even included a safety at all

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Odysseus's craft getting to the destination at all is a surprise tbh

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


probably insulted selene as they were taking off

RIP Syndrome
Feb 24, 2016


Technical triumph; unplayable in practice

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Odysseus craft’s moon mission to be cut short after sideways landing
Intuitive Machines, private company behind lander, says mission will end after five days rather than the expected to seven to 10

love the groundbreaking innovation and agility from privatising the space program

lol i've said it before but all the engineers and scientists we have now are all braindead losers hahah

everything is so poo poo

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Odysseus really insistent on that vent hood.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


it's fun to compare that privately funded mission to what spacex plans to do in pursuit of getting to moon/mars

literal fantasy poo poo

hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

Pork Pro

Hatebag posted:

Odysseus's craft getting to the destination at all is a surprise tbh

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/CasualArtyFan/status/1762543300454834541?t=zNfd3cDZozv3TGhWKBJM3w&s=19

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/ArmyTimes/status/1762601260836905327?s=20

quote:

Army units must trim command posts, add drones to survive

WASHINGTON, D.C. ― Fighting in Ukraine and Gaza has taught Army leaders that units must shrink their battlefield headquarters to survive, and work drone and counter drone tactics at every level.

Secretary of the Army Christine Wormuth and Chief of Staff of the Army Gen. Randy George spoke with reporters Tuesday about Ukraine lessons and a range of topics at an event hosted by the George Washington Project for Media and National Security.

“There’s really no place to hide,” George said. “Nobody wants to be prominent on today’s battlefield. What being prominent will get you is it will get you killed.”

Wormuth echoed the general’s remarks, saying in a recent visit to Germany where she spoke with U.S. and Ukrainian troops training together at Grafenwoehr Training Area, the key takeaway was that units needed to stay mobile.

U.S. soldiers had cut what is typically a four-Stryker command post that includes large satellite dishes and full crews to a two-Stryker setup in which all communications and network equipment were housed in one vehicle.

The entire command post could be set up or taken down in under 15 minutes, she said.

George noted similar work going on out at the National Training Center at Fort Irwin, California. A recent division headquarters conducted a rotation at the training center. The headquarters shrank its typically large footprint by 75% for the rotation.

“We’re done lugging around big satellite dishes, we’re done with server stacks, all of that’s got to change,” George said.

In recent years division headquarters often could run their operations during these exercises from an office building or back at home station, simulating much of the work. But to prepare for potential large-scale combat operations, the Army began sending division headquarters to the National Training Center for more realistic training scenarios.

Beyond shedding gear for a slimmer headquarters, those same units are having to “hide in plain sight,” George said.

That means using netting on vehicles, a widespread practice in the pre-Global War on Terror era, when units faced enemy air threats.

The netting also helps conceal electromagnetic signals that can give away a position, George said.

“They had to figure out how to command and control a very large organization,” George said. “They had to worry about UAS that were trying to find them and to kill them out there.”

Wormuth stressed a need for further investment in drone and counter drone capabilities across the Army.

“What we’ve seen in Ukraine is that we in the Army have got to do more, more, more on UAS and counter UAS in terms of investing in those systems,” Wormuth said.

Wormuth said drones are basically “flying IEDs” when targeting combat vehicles. The Army is pursuing directed energy and high-powered microwave prototypes for countering drone attacks on vehicles.

George said the Army plans to teach drone operation at every installation where the Army can operate small drones.

Army Times reported in November 2023 that the service would soon start including counter drone instruction in basic training, teaching brand new soldiers to be aware of the overhead threats.

The general pointed to the recent cancellation of the Army’s Raven and Shadow drone programs.

The Army’s inventory currently includes 19,000 Ravens and more than 575 Shadow drones, Defense News reported.

Both are aging platforms used extensively during counterinsurgency and counterterrorism wars over the past two decades. But they are not considered effective against current near-peer threats.

The Army plans to replace the Shadow drone with its Future Tactical UAS program. Brig. Gen. David Phillips, Army aviation program executive officer, told Defense News those prototypes should be in the operational force by fiscal year 2025.

What those drone changes will mean is more drones of several types at various unit levels.

The Shadow system, which includes four aircraft, two vehicle-mounted ground control stations, a generator and backup equipment takes more than two dozen soldiers to operate.

Plans will include repurposing those drone operators. One example George provided was to create a detachment at the brigade level with a longer distance, higher powered drone while having fewer exquisite capabilities at lower tactical levels.

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Scarabrae
Oct 7, 2002

honey I got laid off by Army

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