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Kagrenak posted:Sick back pedal from "a total lie." What’s it like, completely lacking pattern recognition? Biden has been claiming that a ceasefire is imminent for weeks and weeks now, and Israel invariably ends up pantsing him publicly by saying “lol nah we’re going to kill them and take their land”. It’s not real pressure, it’s political cover. fool of sound fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Feb 27, 2024 |
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Yeah the only useful info about a ceasefire deal at this point will come directly from Hamas, as they're the last people who are consulted. You can occasionally glean something from direct netanyahu statements, but anything from Biden or the US is complete trash and should be ignored. We've seen people falling for it over and over. There's nothing at all to indicate that the intractable lines from Hamas and netanyahus coalition have moved at all. At this stage we're just waiting for March 10.
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fool of sound posted:What’s it like, completely lacking pattern recognition? Biden has been claiming that a ceasefire is imminent for weeks and weeks now, and Israel invariably ends up pantsing him publicly by saying “lol nah we’re going to kill them and take their land”. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...9f-7ffd246e0000 The messaging of news on the last round was pretty different from both Biden and Qatar. Although on the other hand, it seems like Hamas is on board with the "domestic messaging" theory, even though this is the most optimistic language I've seen from them as well: quote:For any agreement to work, he told journalist Willem Marx, Hamas’s red lines must be met, including: Does anyone know when the last military aid shipment was actually sent? My understanding was that the drawdown authority was used up and any more aid needs actual funding. I know that Biden supports more either way and that's not what I'm trying to sneakily get at or anything. Kagrenak fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Feb 27, 2024 |
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Kagrenak posted:https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...9f-7ffd246e0000 Can you be specific about the difference in messaging you are seeing?  https://x.com/AJEnglish/status/1762435851579961554 Both of those sound like "oh don't worry everyone loves the deal no you can't see it yet but it will happen soon". e: This is assuming that reading the tea leaves of press release tone is useful at all, which I don't think there's any reason to believe. fool of sound fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Feb 27, 2024 |
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Unless I'm mistaken, the process for these negotiations is that the US and Israel pitch things to Qatar and/or Egypt, who go "yeah sure", and then it gets sent to Hamas who respond "why did you fax me a brown smear on a tissue?" So it's probably to be expected that Israel/US/Qatar will hype up any deal to try to encourage Hamas to take it, regardless of how trash and DOA it is. If all parties were actually interested in expedited negotiations you'd have Hamas speak for themselves, but Israel/US don't want to "legitimize" them, and Israel would probably try to assassinate any effective negotiator anyways.
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Neurolimal posted:So it's probably to be expected that Israel/US/Qatar will hype up any deal to try to encourage Hamas to take it, regardless of how trash and DOA it is. Hamas isn't responsive to American public opinion. Why would they care if an American audience knows about the deal or thinks it's a good deal? If we believe Biden is publicly discussing a ceasefire to put pressure on one side to make it happen, that wide is obviously Israel, the side that has non-zero interest in American public sentiment. Edit responding to post below: awesome, I hope he gets surprised more and more, surprised into physiological difficulty Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Feb 27, 2024 |
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Yeah Biden just loving lied about this poo poo https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1762440064053711308 Please exercise at least some degree of skepticism about things politicians say
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drat I can’t believe Lucy would pull the football away right before Charlie Brown could kick it… again!
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Szarrukin posted:"Deadly military actions" is ridiculous euphemism for "genocide". akin to the Russian government calling the attack on Ukraine a 'special military operation', it's sickening.
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Yeah Biden is just saying stuff to try and placate the Democrat base, they didn't expect there to be this much resistance to Biden's support of genocide. I wouldn't rule out that Biden is addled enough to believe some of it himself. You could pretty much ignore any mainstream western media on this as long as you're paying attention to Israeli and Arabic media and you'd have a much better picture of what's going on.
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well yeah that's why I keep saying we need to sway regular folks and the democratic apparatus (made up of regular folks and tedious dorks) those numbers admittedly include Republicans though
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A big flaming stink posted:Yeah Biden just loving lied about this poo poo lol while eating ice cream? for real?
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The framing of those questions would make the most hardened push pollster blush.
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Illmade posted:https://twitter.com/DSchwammenthal/status/1762560219270300049?t=jSVK0zHN53psJPLu2lVpyw&s=19 I don’t wish to touch the accursed website, but how were they polled? If it was via landline, well…
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"Back Israel over hamas" is such absurd framing I don't even know where to start
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teen witch posted:I don’t wish to touch the accursed website, but how were they polled? If it was via landline, well… It’s a monthly poll. Methodology is online polling: quote:The Harvard CAPS / Harris Poll is conducted by The Harris Poll & HarrisX online within the United States every month and captures the responses of over 2,000 registered voters. The results reflect a nationally representative sample. Results were weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, marital status, household size, income, employment, and education where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population. Propensity score weighting was also used to adjust for respondents’ propensity to be online. Full results can be found here: https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/HHP_Feb2024_KeyResults.pdf  E: Misread the polling question Kalit fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Feb 28, 2024 |
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I don't know what the hell is going on with that poll, but in December it had some pretty wild data, too. Just to remind everyonePaladinus posted:Can someone explain to me what the hell is happening in this poll in the section about the Israel-Palestine conflict? I still think that if otherwise conducted properly, the issue is probably with other/don't know answers.
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Kalit posted:The most odd takeaway I have regarding this latest poll is on page 64: the 25-34 age group are the least likely to favor Israel vs Hamas (at 66% supporting Israel), but are also the second most likely to think that Israel is doing everything possible to avoid civilian casualties (at 70%) It isn't asking if they think Israel is doing "everything possible" just if they think they're trying to avoid civilian casualties. It's a lower threshold.
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TGLT posted:It isn't asking if they think Israel is doing "everything possible" just if they think they're trying to avoid civilian casualties. It's a lower threshold. Whoops, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for the correction!
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Americans are stupid on a level even I hadn't dreamed possible if nearly 70 percent think Israel tries to avoid civilian casualties especially this late in the game.
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The results in that polling are completely insane. Trump had 57% approval retrospectively. The 3 highest net favourables are Trump, RFK Jr, and Elon Musk. Jesus christ. Netanyahu has higher net favourable than AOC? This is truly a country in a rapid decline.
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I'm too lazy to look. Is this a phone poll? This might be copium, but I think so many recent polls are getting warped by the fact that most people aren't going to answer phone calls from unknown numbers anymore. I would not be surprised if there are a ton of older people (with all the ideological baggage that entails) or otherwise ideologically driven and ticked off people itching to express their discontent affecting those numbers. Then again, maybe that's the whole point of a poll?
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https://twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1762332079810093080 This is probably only the start of the character assassination of Aaron Bushnell.
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"Do you favor an unconditional ceasefire that would leave everyone in place, or do you think a ceasefire should happen only after the release of all hostages and Hamas is removed from power?" "Do you support Israel continuing its ground invasion into Southern Gaza to root out the final elements of Hamas or oppose it because 1.2 million civilians have taken shelter there and will be under significant risk of harm if Israel pushes forward?" It's a push poll. Polls designed to tilt the respondent's answers in a certain direction. People are extremely malleable to the most recent facts & framing they've heard; you soften them up by "informing" them with the first few questions, then you drop the more ostensibly neutral questions and they will answer in the direction you want. The questions in this poll paint the following image: That a ceasefire would leave the Israeli hostages in Gaza, that Hamas is on its last leg & victory is within Israel's grasp, that Israel is primarily targeting Hamas and trying to avoid casualties. Equipped with these facts, a ceasefire seems absolutely braindead! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks This exact polling firm/commissioner has actually come up previously, for the same reason: Paladinus posted:Can someone explain to me what the hell is happening in this poll in the section about the Israel-Palestine conflict? Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Feb 28, 2024 |
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Nucleic Acids posted:https://twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1762332079810093080 The article paints a very sympathetic and humanising picture of him, actually. I know a lot of people don't read articles past the headline, but the content of the article is far from being a smear. https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/02/26/israeli-embassy-airman-fire-death-gaza/
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Paladinus posted:The article paints a very sympathetic and humanising picture of him, actually. I know a lot of people don't read articles past the headline, but the content of the article is far from being a smear. only the headline matters in todays world. no one reads past the headline and if your lucky the first paragraph. it's a typical media tactic to get the lie accross while avoiding liability and covering their rear end if called on it.
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Paladinus posted:Can someone explain to me what the hell is happening in this poll in the section about the Israel-Palestine conflict? Look at the polling firm- it's Mark Penn's. He is a centrist grifter, this is probably the most well known of his blunders: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...inner-take-all/. This is just a push pull. His wife runs No Labels.
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Paladinus posted:The article paints a very sympathetic and humanising picture of him, actually. I know a lot of people don't read articles past the headline, but the content of the article is far from being a smear. Aren't headline writers completely separate from the article writers anyway? It's kinda sad but understandable that nobody in US news would frame it as an act of heroic sacrifice but I guess a "he wasn't obviously crazy" is the best we're gonna get.
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plogo posted:Look at the polling firm- it's Mark Penn's. He is a centrist grifter, this is probably the most well known of his blunders: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...inner-take-all/. This is just a push pull. Thanks, I couldn't find that connection at the time for some reason. Very illuminating. WarpedLichen posted:Aren't headline writers completely separate from the article writers anyway? It varies from site to site. Reporters/contributors often provide their own headlines, but editorial can always pick something more 'clickable' or more safe/less open to litigation for a variety of reasons, which is probably what happened here, since the 'anarchist past' is not really dwelled on in the article.
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Paladinus posted:The article paints a very sympathetic and humanising picture of him, actually. I know a lot of people don't read articles past the headline, but the content of the article is far from being a smear. IDK, they lead with the whole anarchist thing and then never come back to really touch on it later? The whole article kinda feels half finished to me.
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THIS guy is being portrayed in an unsympathetic light?? https://twitter.com/OurielOhayon/status/1762708089109643367?t=VWrYVr17WXVUzohO6JWoQQ&s=19
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Illmade posted:THIS guy is being portrayed in an unsympathetic light?? His account has been identified and people have said they can't find evidence he made that post.
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Illmade posted:THIS guy is being portrayed in an unsympathetic light?? That screenshot is fake as hell. there are others that seem to be real but nothing anti-Semitic at all. https://twitter.com/MrRabbitGA/status/1762715534355828982 punishedkissinger fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Feb 28, 2024 |
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Nucleic Acids posted:His account has been identified and people have said they can't find evidence he made that post. What, Israel shills are just making poo poo up?? How surprising.
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His posts are being deleted. https://www.reddit.com/user/acebush1/
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Illmade posted:His posts are being deleted. https://twitter.com/MrRabbitGA/status/1762715534355828982 If it was real you'd think they'd have posted a link at some point, perhaps used archive.today or something to secure it, instead of just a screenshot.
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Illmade posted:His posts are being deleted. Okay, what do you think is more likely? That he posted it? Or that Zionist propagandists are lying?
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Do I think it is unlikely that a guy who set himself on fire posted a bunch of unhinged poo poo on the internet?
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Illmade posted:Do I think it is unlikely that a guy who set himself on fire posted a bunch of unhinged poo poo on the internet? You can still go through his comments using this tool and that one isn't there. Objectively it is a fake and you are posting lies. https://old.reddit.com/user/acebush1/ You can tell his protest was effective based on how obviously furious every zionist is about it.
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