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Gripweed posted:I don’t think 12 Angry Men would be a very satisfying viewing experience if you cut out all the dialogue. It's based on a stage play, Villeneuve specifically said dialog was for tv shows and plays.
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therattle posted:I bloody love Sicario and I loved Arrival
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Air Skwirl posted:It's based on a stage play, Villeneuve specifically said dialog was for tv shows and plays. Yeah, but surely there are plenty of other scripts with a lot of great dialogue. e.g. Double Indemnity. Or does that not count because it's based on a prose serial?
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Feb 27, 2024 18:28
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I think everything Villeneuve has done since Sicario was just ok but up to that point I was onboard with everything he put out.
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DeimosRising posted:yeah and i love me a good filmed stageplay, i'll gobble up old bbc productions of that poo poo. 12 angry men is directed by lumet and shot by dziga vertov's little brother, they knew what they were doing and what they did was the bare minimum. it's just barely a movie. Gotta disagree on this. Like, one of the things that make it work is they clearly thought a lot about every single shot- you could easily have a film class go heavy into each choice of angle because they have one set (mostly) and a limited range of physical business for the actors, so how do you frame this line vs that one, how do you keep up the visual interest without getting distracting, etc.? Honestly I figured it was color that Villeneuve isn't fond of.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Gotta disagree on this. Like, one of the things that make it work is they clearly thought a lot about every single shot- you could easily have a film class go heavy into each choice of angle because they have one set (mostly) and a limited range of physical business for the actors, so how do you frame this line vs that one, how do you keep up the visual interest without getting distracting, etc.? yeah that's what i mean. they did the bare minimum, no excess, just exactly the number of shots and exactly the angles and transitions they need to make it more than just a camera pointed at a stage.
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why would i want to go to the movies to hear someone talk? half the time they even say at the beginning "no talking during the movie" and then the movie's full of talking!
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Feb 27, 2024 19:35
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Open Source Idiom posted:Yeah, but surely there are plenty of other scripts with a lot of great dialogue. e.g. Double Indemnity. Or does that not count because it's based on a prose serial? Some of my favourite films have dialogue!
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Feb 27, 2024 19:41
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Gaius Marius posted:The easy litmus test for this is simply to imagine how the film would work with every piece of dialogue cut. TWBB doesn't have dialogue for the first what twenty minutes? And you could cut every line and still get across every single emotion and action just on the cinematography, editing, and acting; the dialogue is purely additive, and is generally, like many PTA films, used to add humor instead of drama. Another example is the Omlette scene at the end of Phantom Thread, there are a few lines of dialogue, but PTA knows when to get out of his actors way and let them do their job instead of loading them up with unnecessary exposition. One of my favorite films of the last five years is The Green Knight. The last what? 20 minutes or so have zero dialogue (except from the very very end) and it loving rules.
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Feb 27, 2024 19:47
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Some of my best friends are capable of speech.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Some of my best friends are capable of speech. Shame you never learned from them. 
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Perhaps dialogue is yet another arrow in the cineaste's quiver, but then again, maybe not. We will never know
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"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent" - Star Wars Man, from the movie 'Star Wars'
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They should make movies based on mime play, or whatever it is mimes do.
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Air Skwirl posted:It's based on a stage play, Villeneuve specifically said dialog was for tv shows and plays. But it is a movie.
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Gripweed posted:But it is a movie. if a movie has above a certain amount of dialogue it turns back into a play
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therattle posted:Some of my favourite films have dialogue! your directors were so preoccupied with whether or not they could include dialogue, they didn't stop to think if they should
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:if a movie has above a certain amount of dialogue it turns back into a play
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Feb 27, 2024 21:17
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when does a play become a tv show? And when does a tv show become a movie?
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:if a movie has above a certain amount of dialogue it turns back into a play Is there just a universal hard limit, or do movies with longer run times get more dialogue?
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Gripweed posted:Is there just a universal hard limit, or do movies with longer run times get more dialogue? possibly, but if a movie's runtime is too long it turns into a tv show
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Jay Rust posted:when does a play become a tv show? And when does a tv show become a movie? Nobody knows! DeimosRising posted:your directors were so preoccupied with whether or not they could include dialogue, they didn't stop to think if they should I love this sub-forum and thread. It’s full of funny, nice, clever people who know a lot about movies (plus Gripweed).
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Careful, you're talking to a multiple time completer of the October Challenge here
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Open Source Idiom posted:My mate likes this because it means he can get up and go to the kitchen, make himself a snack and come back, sit down, browse the web for five minutes and keep the movie going the entire time he does all of this. There are shows that are specifically designed to be second-screen entertainment, with the assumption that the person watching is going to be looking at their phone most of the time anyway. That is how a major amount of people watch TV. I really felt it watching The Haunting of Hill House. Two episodes in and all we get are protracted flashbacks, a dysfunctional family, a death, and the beginning of an autopsy. I like Mike Flanagan, but man were those episodes slack as hell.
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The best thing about Haunting of Hill House is all the background ghouls. Like a reverse jump scare. People are talking about some family drama and the whole time some unnaturally pale hands are very slightly poking out from under the ottoman out of focus in the background. Reminds me of Ghostwatch. Want to steal it for some future project, where even if there is a main monster there's occasional bonus ghosts that nobody ever notices or comments on just kinda lurking in the frame.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Want to steal it for some future project, where even if there is a main monster there's occasional bonus ghosts that nobody ever notices or comments on just kinda lurking in the frame. Goon ghosts gotta lurk more!
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The point of a movie is not necessarily to remove or omit dialogue, but to understand that it’s extremely subordinate to the images. This isn’t simply a preference, because we’ve seen through experience that audiences respond to exposition differently. Things that are told in a movie have a far lesser impact that what is shown, and you could probably even do research to measure this effect if so inclined. At the same time, poorly-made films have very opposite effect where people actively ignore what’s onscreen and end up confused because they’re forced to rely on bad exposition. I’m going to make a wild, unresearched claim that the ‘Marvelization’ of cinema is what led to the trend of always-on subtitles. FreudianSlippers posted:Reminds me of Ghostwatch. This Three Men And A Baby reboot’s gonna be wild. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Feb 27, 2024 |
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FreudianSlippers posted:The best thing about Haunting of Hill House is all the background ghouls. I really liked how, in Hereditary, in the framing shot of the house before the cult enters the main stage, you can see them standing in a row around the yard. But you don’t really have context for what you’re looking at, and it’s only for a second.
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quote:I’m going to make a wild, unresearched claim that the ‘Marvelization’ of cinema is what led to the trend of always-on subtitles. Balancing all the dialogue to be very very quiet so I can blow out my windows when an explosion or music kicks in is what got me onto doing it
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I didn’t mean it! But also I remember you as someone who keeps bringing up old posts of theirs that they think are funny, and I think that’s funny.
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Elwes chat: Got to see a screening of Princess Bride with Cary Elwes this past weekend, highly recommend if you get the chance, he loves telling stories and he clearly still loves this role 30+ years later, plus you get all sorts of good Andre the Giant stories. The emcee at my showing slipped up his introduction of Elwes, saying he had "at least two, three truly iconic roles. maybe more depending on how you feel about all the other movies" Obviously one of the roles is Westley, assuming Saw is another. Wondering what he thinks the third one is? Robin Hood? Twister? His recurring role on Psych?
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Vargo posted:Elwes chat: Got to see a screening of Princess Bride with Cary Elwes this past weekend, highly recommend if you get the chance, he loves telling stories and he clearly still loves this role 30+ years later, plus you get all sorts of good Andre the Giant stories. I'd put Men in Tights over Saw if I'm thinking "Iconic Cary Elwes roles." And for older people maybe Twister as well.
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The mom's annoyingly involved boyfriend in Liar Liar obviously
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No respect for the man who played Fritz Arno Wagner?!
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:why would i want to go to the movies to hear someone talk? half the time they even say at the beginning "no talking during the movie" and then the movie's full of talking!   
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Guy A. Person posted:The mom's annoyingly involved boyfriend in Liar Liar obviously Isn't that one of those Rom Coms where the rival for the lead is actually just a completely decent dude?
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Air Skwirl posted:Isn't that one of those Rom Coms where the rival for the lead is actually just a completely decent dude? Yeah he is totally a decent dude and (Jim) Carrey's jealousy of him is obviously portrayed as his own failing. Tbf he isn't given a last minute heel turn or an unceremonious ejection from the movie once his usefulness is done, he legitimately does have to move away for work and a that's a major plot point of the movie.
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i only ever saw cary elwes in men in tights as a kid and then the next thing i saw him in (that i recognized it as him) was in saw as a young adult and i was like "lol that's the funny robin hood guy he can't be in a serious movie!"
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