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when are they going to stop saying "near peer" when describing armies with superior capabilities
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Feb 27, 2024 23:33
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poisonpill posted:when are they going to stop saying "near peer" when describing armies with superior capabilities They'll just change it on the sly so "near peer" refers to the US
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Feb 27, 2024 23:45
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Our cyber space info link fully networked military also we're dumping the field server stacks as ye olde HQ isn't survivable in the current age.
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Feb 28, 2024 00:01
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DancingShade posted:Our cyber space info link fully networked military also we're dumping the field server stacks as ye olde HQ isn't survivable in the current age. They're just going to put the army apps on the cloud now that private industry has shown that it's feasible. I'm sure the field hq's will have no problem maintaining an always on internet connection. Gotta have powerpoint you know.
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Feb 28, 2024 00:07
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/CasualArtyFan/status/1762543300454834541?t=zNfd3cDZozv3TGhWKBJM3w&s=19 loving brain trust is in charge eh? - See a war where 90% casualties are caused by crew served weapons. - Eliminate battalion weapons.
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Feb 28, 2024 00:16
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Yeah, the Western news rarely talks about it but a ton of causalities on the Ukrainian side across the war are just constant mortar fire. Also, I don't know why you would have to reduce your access to ATGMs and crew served weapons considering how this war has gone on. I guess the elimination of a cavalry squadron makes sense but seems like you would replace it with other heavy equipment. Otherwise, in a IBCT, the only portion that is doing heavy lifting is just going to be the artillery/fires battalion. It is like a reserve Russian BTG, instead of a thin line of infantry around supporting artillery, you have 3 infantry battalions to protect a single field artillery battalion. (Also, even a Soviet regiment not only had a artillery battalion but its own anti-air battalion as well).
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Feb 28, 2024 00:29
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Mortars might be incredibly effective, but have you considered that it's hard to make a grift out of a tube with a spring?
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Feb 28, 2024 00:31
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Weapons companies were created in like 1917-18 as the art of attack on the western front was worked out. Cut to - we're seeing a firepower heavy war, with dug in positions, where the infantry need firepower to push positions... and at this moment... lol we're eliminating them. I don't even know what to say, you know?
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Feb 28, 2024 00:36
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:loving brain trust is in charge eh? Its weird, on one part they are saying that they are removing elements that were used during COIN operations and specifically mentions drawing down brigade combat infantry teams in favor of formations for larger scale conflicts. This correlates with what the war college had proposed, eliminating these things in favor of divisions. But then they say they are reducing the weapons companies to platoons. Cao Ni Ma has issued a correction as of 00:38 on Feb 28, 2024 |
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Weapons companies were created in like 1917-18, we're seeing a firepower heavy war, with dug in positions, where the infantry need firepower to push positions... and at this moment... lol we're eliminating them. a war thats fought to a stalemate is way more profitable than one in which either side could advance
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Feb 28, 2024 00:38
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Its weird, on one part they are saying that they are removing elements that were used during COIN operations and specifically mentions drawing down brigade combat infantry teams in favor of formations for larger scale conflicts. But then they say they are reducing the weapons companies to platoons. It's loving insane, because yes, in the GWOT the infantry battalions left the weapons on the FOB and used the manpower from the weapons co as a fourth company, or to patrol or fill in for people, but now that we see a conventional war where we would need GPMGs, ATGMs and mortars... lol it's so backwards. It can't be that they're running out of infantry weapons, right? Because those should be the easiest to manufacture, and I would imagine there are war stores of M240s and leftover M60s to last until the end of time.
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Feb 28, 2024 00:39
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They are gonna need the solider to do riot control back at home, so no heavy weapons on civilians for now.
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I can only imagine that the US plans to raise up drone operator companies or something equally stupid.
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Feb 28, 2024 00:41
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us military to reclassify all soldiers as 1099 contractors
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Feb 28, 2024 00:43
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Cao Ni Ma posted:I can only imagine that the US plans to raise up drone operator companies or something equally stupid. You could just have that as a section within the weapons company and retain the (actually useful) other weapons. Honestly, our infantry effectiveness dropped like a rock when we got rid of the Big Battalions when 4 CMBG came home. I know the Americans never had that structure, but it's pretty clear to me that having large infantry formations with lots of weapons is self-evidently smarter than not, especially if - this will be hard to imagine - you can't count on replacement weapons and personnel arriving immediately after reporting your losses. You may actually have to operate in a combat zone with casualties. Also, if I can loop back - On the one hand, they want to break up the CPs. On the other hand, they want to strip away weapons at the level of formation that can still be controlled by one officer and his staff on foot. How does that make sense? If you're worried about an EW environment and everything else, you want as many weapons as possible in the hands of the battalion commander, because Bde will no longer be an easy radio call away. "Requesting support will be harder" "Remove organic support" ??? DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 00:48 on Feb 28, 2024 |
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Feb 28, 2024 00:43
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unwantedplatypus posted:Mortars might be incredibly effective, but have you considered that it's hard to make a grift out of a tube with a spring? Don't worry, grift is In Everything We Do(tm) https://www.gd-ots.com/munitions/mortars-and-mortar-components/81mm-rcgm/
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Feb 28, 2024 00:45
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I am not sure it is current but also the fires battalion in an IBCT includes 2 105mm batteries and 1 155mm battery. I think an artillery battalion in a Russian BTG would have at least 2 152mm batteries, and it is a much smaller formation (600-800 troops versus 4400 in a IBCT). I guess the big issue is just manpower, and while they could cut the cavalry squadron, they couldn't cut infantry/artillery/engineering/support, so the weapons companies had to go, which clearly reduces the entire usefulness of the formation. Drones aren't bad, right?
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Feb 28, 2024 00:50
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We're going to get rocked so hard it's not even funny. The last conventional exercise I paid close attention to, US troops weren't camouflaging their positions at all, didn't dig fighting positions, let alone dig weapons emplacements and absolutely no effort was made to dig in vehicles. Their positions could be seen from a great distance from the air and ground because there was garbage strewn around, and a forest of radio masts.
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Feb 28, 2024 00:51
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:It can't be that they're running out of infantry weapons, right? Because those should be the easiest to manufacture, and I would imagine there are war stores of M240s and leftover M60s to last until the end of time. "It can't be that they're running out of 155mm shells, right? Because those should be the easiest to manufacture"
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Feb 28, 2024 00:51
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Morbus posted:Don't worry, grift is In Everything We Do(tm) quote:30% reduction in logistic drag due to fewer rounds needed to complete mission [screaming internally]
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Feb 28, 2024 00:54
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The Oldest Man posted:[screaming internally] Lol quote:75% RCGM components in production and combat proven The other 25% components probably aren't even that important
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Feb 28, 2024 01:11
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lol learned nothing from ukraine or gaza
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Feb 28, 2024 01:12
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Mandel Brotset posted:lol learned nothing from ukraine or gaza They learned that there are no consequences for failure (tactical or strategic), no consequences for grifting so hard the military collapses, and no consequences for committing crimes against humanity.
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Feb 28, 2024 01:26
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The Oldest Man posted:They learned that there are no consequences for failure (tactical or strategic), no consequences for grifting so hard the military collapses, and no consequences for committing crimes against humanity. There are only consequences for trying to make anything better.
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Feb 28, 2024 01:29
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The Oldest Man posted:[screaming internally]  Me, very neoliberally: "the second picture. that is the better one"
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Bar Crow posted:There are only consequences for trying to make anything better. better not then, just to be safe
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Feb 28, 2024 01:33
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Morbus posted:
Absolutely that's 18 x a few hundred dollars versus 2x $250k. A much more profitable quarter.
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Feb 28, 2024 01:41
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Morbus posted:
It’s not the bullet with my name on it that worries me, it’s the ones labeled “To whomever it may concern” Let’s buy only shells with names on them for our entire military.
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Feb 28, 2024 01:43
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Why spend a couple grand on mortar rounds when you could spend tens of millions of dollars on F-35 flight hours and guided ordinance instead.
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poisonpill posted:when are they going to stop saying "near peer" when describing armies with superior capabilities It's near peer, but not in they way they think
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Feb 28, 2024 01:44
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There’s an interesting talk with Tom Ricks who has a lot of garbage takes (I think especially his infatuation with Petreaus) but iirc the gist of it is that in WW2 the US army frequently promoted and demoted officers based on competence, their particular strengths and weaknesses to the situation, and their actual performance and that failure and losing a command wasn't necessarily a career killer either. Nowadays almost every single field and general grade will finish their tour and misconduct is pretty much the only thing that officers actually get punished for. You’re more or less “owed” commands and will with time get promoted upward if you just stay in and color in the lines. Trying to reform things if anything is a significant risk to your career with no benefit once you get into field grade and above. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OehvY94N-WA
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Feb 28, 2024 01:53
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DancingShade posted:Absolutely that's 18 x a few hundred dollars versus 2x $250k. A much more profitable quarter. Even the craters left by munitions that didnt hit their target are proving to be effective in the war as ukraine runs more leopards into ditches and general mud claims victims.
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Feb 28, 2024 01:55
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Mandel Brotset posted:lol learned nothing from ukraine or gaza If you say that Ukraine hasn’t dominated every level of the conflict with superior western weapons and tactics, how do you think your career in the western empire is going to go. And since western weapons and tactics are dominant, everyone agrees - time to accelerate transitioning to the winning army Raytheon has designed.
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:I don't even know what to say, you know? The US will lose WW3
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:loving brain trust is in charge eh? They criticized the Ukrainian military for relying too heavily on drones and not using enough ground reconnaissance then decide to get rid of cavalry squadrons and double down on drones, so which is it? (Small tactical drones are 100% the future but lol if the army ever adopts anything that isn't on par with something like a mavic but inexplicably costing 10x more to the point where they only procure a few hundred when they're churning through hundreds of thousands in Ukraine) Justin Tyme has issued a correction as of 02:24 on Feb 28, 2024 |
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Feb 28, 2024 02:21
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Justin Tyme posted:They criticized the Ukrainian military for relying too heavily on drones and not using enough ground reconnaissance then decide to get rid of cavalry squadrons and double down on drones, so which is it? Conscripts are cheap and drones are expensive buddy
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I can't issue you a drone. Regulations say I need to have drones in stock at all times and that's the last one. Also I can't expedite a request for more drones unless we run out so we just have to wait for routine resupply, hopefully next financial year, once we complete the tender process and negotiate a contract. Just take a pair of binoculars and have a look yourself. Oh yeah I'll need you to sign for those.
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Not meaning to derail the thread but I missed it, why has FF disappeared only to be mysteriously replaced by “Guy N’cognito”?
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galagazombie posted:Not meaning to derail the thread but I missed it, why has FF disappeared only to be mysteriously replaced by “Guy N’cognito”? Never heard of this FF you mention. Nobody here knows that name. (pulls down counter shutter, flips sign to "closed")
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