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SuperMechagodzilla posted:So, in this way, one simple fix for Season 2 to is to smush both it and Booka together into a single, actual narrative - and then delete a full third of the Booka episodes. Agree 100%
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Grendels Dad posted:I can't even put into words how massively I'm disappointed in the Book Of Boba. It was so bad. They did the dream childhood thing and brought back Boba Fett and it's boring and lazy and stupid and the action is capeshit-inspired dross.
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At least it sounds they (accidentally) kept Lucas' original characterization of Fett being a goober who merely looks intimidating?
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IIRC the consensus I've heard is that you can clearly see the intended plot of Boba being a Yojimbo style antihero tricking his enemies into killing each other, somewhere under the seams from the c-suite descending on it and turning it into Boba beating drugs with the power of friendship, also guest starring Grogu and CG Luke.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:CG Luke. LuCGe
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Despite the criticisms, I was surprised to find on rewatch that Booka Boba isn't any worse than the bulk of Manderlorian episodes. It's mainly just a lateral move. Compared to Obiwan show and Ahsoka show, it's downright not-bad. There are just many caveats to be forewarned about : -"The Book Of Boba Fett" is 13 episodes long and actually begins with Manderlorian Chapter 9. -It is absolutely recommended that you skip Booka Chapter 4. I cant really insist on this enough. It's just incredibly poorly written and kills the story. -Manderlorian Chapter 12 is also a bullshit filler episode, so you can bring the episode count down to 11 if you so desire. -The story is, seriously, about Boba trying his best to 'go straight' and not do too many crimes. No twist. -It's largely a camp comedy, arguably 'Star Wars' at its kitschiest. Rubber-mask monsters and other cheap-looking poo poo are features, not bugs. -To that end, the conclusion is plainly farcical. Not a serious ending. -CG Luke is a very unnerving character, beyond just the effects. -There's a lot of Bo Katan content that exists primarily to set up Season 3. Ghost Leviathan posted:IIRC the consensus I've heard is that you can clearly see the intended plot of Boba being a Yojimbo style antihero tricking his enemies into killing each other Ignoring the dogshit in Chapter 4, the intimation throughout is that Boba is fully aware that what he's doing is a bad idea. He just doesn't give a care because he's pigheaded-stubborn about being nice now. It's intended as comedy, even if it doesn't land. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Feb 24, 2024 |
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:the dream childhood thing I think this might be why it's so bad. The reason we have The Mandalorian as a show in the first place is because Jon Favreau wanted to pitch a Boba Fett show, but he'd put the character on such a pedestal in his nostalgia that he figured they'd never let him do it and came up with an OC instead. Then they actually let him play with the character he wanted to all along, but he was so afraid of his toy getting broken that Fett ended up staying on the shelf the whole time and not doing anything interesting.
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Robot Style posted:I think this might be why it's so bad. The reason we have The Mandalorian as a show in the first place is because Jon Favreau wanted to pitch a Boba Fett show, but he'd put the character on such a pedestal in his nostalgia that he figured they'd never let him do it and came up with an OC instead. Honestly, not sure I buy this. Manderlorian may have been conceived as a Boba Fett show at some point, but I absolutely don't see Boba Fett babysitting a toddler Yoda or doing this cult junk. They obviously put a lot of work into making Djarin a distinct character. At the same time, a show about an wandering amoral bounty hunter - 'with a code' - is exactly the banal poo poo anyone would expect. Making a comedy about Boba Fett as a meathead goon who quits bounty hunting to go into politics (and has trouble acting nice because he doesn't understand social situations) is absolutely the riskier concept.
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I watched Dunc and A New Hope back to back tonight for fun Dunc's pretty good and I hadn't watched ANH in a while. The edits and bad new effects are pretty jarring but not really a big deal but it occurred to me how little after those first three films everything else Star Wars really looks like it. I guess it's just the effects of the time but nothing else really captures that look and feel. Also lol I forgot how big of a liar the prequels make Obi-Wan into but that's neither here nor there
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RBA Starblade posted:Also lol I forgot how big of a liar the prequels make Obi-Wan into but that's neither here nor there I feel like they do lean into that. Ep II Obi-Wan is played as a trickster and a rogue, almost Errol Flynn vibes to him with the hair and beard, and he gets a lot of the witty one-liners and taunts his enemies. He's a double act contrast to Anakin, who is earnest and takes things seriously, and thus brings a different kind of comedy to the table when he's Obi-Wan's comic relief, puncturing his ego and bringing him down to earth. (so to speak) And it follows on to OT Obi-Wan's sense of humour, I think. "Of course, I know him, he's me!" Both Obi-Wan and Yoda have trickster vibes to them, as old masters with mysterious pasts who speak in riddles and challenge their pupil's intellect and way of thinking. In retrospect, I think it makes them look like they're specifically testing Luke psychologically, specifically to try to avoid the fatal mistakes they made with Anakin, with the idea that once he knows how to access the power it'll come to him all too naturally- what he needs is the right mindset and thought to use it responsibly, or at least be able to succeed where they failed in defeating Vader and the Emperor. Of course, they're right, but they're probably blindsided by how Luke achieves that.
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RBA Starblade posted:Also lol I forgot how big of a liar the prequels make Obi-Wan into but that's neither here nor there I mean, those actually were the droids they were looking for.
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Even ignoring retcons Kenobi lies and tricks his way through ANH. He is hiding out under a fake name, scares the sand people away by imitating a krayt dragon, uses the Jedi mind trick on the stormtroopers, and is the first to suggest alternatives to fighting when the Falcon is captured near the Death Star. The later movies change the context a bit but they are building on something that was already there.
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Feb 24, 2024 07:25
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Also he didn't even die to Darth Vader, he just disappeared to blue himself
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And he literally has Luke train blindfolded, teaching him to not trust what he sees.
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RBA Starblade posted:Dunc's pretty good and I hadn't watched ANH in a while. The edits and bad new effects are pretty jarring but not really a big deal but it occurred to me how little after those first three films everything else Star Wars really looks like it. I guess it's just the effects of the time but nothing else really captures that look and feel. I watched the first chunk of RotJ the other day. It's true - no Star Wars media since then has really attempted to capture the feel of those movies. Even the ones that lean more into nostalgia don't really try. Why does R2 never do that little worried noise anymore? It's his best noise!
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Robot Style posted:I think this might be why it's so bad. The reason we have The Mandalorian as a show in the first place is because Jon Favreau wanted to pitch a Boba Fett show, but he'd put the character on such a pedestal in his nostalgia that he figured they'd never let him do it and came up with an OC instead. Johnny favs snapped the character in half. He basically took the one interesting thing about him, that he was a villain bounty hunter, and like made him a nice sweet man
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The biggest plight of a character is when a writer likes them too much and insists they have a nice time with their friends instead of a story arc. The greatest offender is Orange Is The New Black, which had its cast of prisoners throw an impromptu lake party. It’s the same thing with Boba. He can’t be bad! He’s SO COOL. It’s better he get some weird dental veneers and make pals on tatooine.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:... Boba Fett as a meathead goon who quits bounty hunting to go into politics (and has trouble acting nice because he doesn't understand social situations) ... Now I'm sad all over again because Temuera Morrison would have nailed this. I can see Jake the Muss with bulging eyes and the muscles in his neck straining as he tries to fight his first impulse (punch and/or shoot) whenever someone tries to shake his hand.
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well why not posted:The greatest offender is Orange Is The New Black, which had its cast of prisoners throw an impromptu lake party. Aww I really liked that part. Especially since it was sort of a last moment of joy before the show started to get darker.
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Grendels Dad posted:Now I'm sad all over again because Temuera Morrison would have nailed this. I can see Jake the Muss with bulging eyes and the muscles in his neck straining as he tries to fight his first impulse (punch and/or shoot) whenever someone tries to shake his hand. Well, the good news is that that is kinda what he’s doing there. But the story of Booka is that Boba Fett emerged from the pit ‘born again’, and returned to the city as an alien weirdo from a non-capitalist society. The non-capitalist part is crucial. Fett isn’t the galaxy’s dumbest crime boss, as people often complain; he’s the galaxy’s dumbest leftist revolutionary - which is interesting! He goes in and his first act is to take out Tatooine’s de facto police forces, but then he’s stuck thinking in ‘commonsense’ cultural terms: attempting to impose a “Capitalism With Tusken Values.” He’s doing stuff like assassinating people to reduce price-gouging. It’s funny!
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stev posted:Aww I really liked that part. Especially since it was sort of a last moment of joy before the show started to get darker. Yeah, thing is about media is that it gets incredibly tiring if it's all dour and miserable all the time; in the real world people do take time out whenever they can to hang out, have fun, and chill out. And it's interesting to have fictional characters do this! It tells things about them, what they're like when they're chilling out and having fun and not being adventure heroes/villains. Avatar The Last Airbender has a beach episode for the antagonists that has key character development and showcases important personality traits that had not gotten to be shown before. Star Wars even has this, at least to a degree; Chewbacca and R2D2 playing holo chess and Han commenting on it, showing that they spent downtime while in space passing the time and have shared hobbies and recreational activities, which show off different sides of their personalities; R2's intelligence and that he's able to engage with organic beings as equals, Chewbacca's temper and also being more intellectual than he appears.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Honestly, not sure I buy this. Manderlorian may have been conceived as a Boba Fett show at some point, but I absolutely don't see Boba Fett babysitting a toddler Yoda or doing this cult junk. They obviously put a lot of work into making Djarin a distinct character. Yeah, it wasn't like he already had the plot ready to go and just swapped in a new character - the show we got came about because Favreau suggested doing a show about a new Mandalorian character, and then Kathleen Kennedy got him in touch with Dave Filoni, who was also thinking about how to expand his Mandalorian mythology beyond the cartoons, and they developed it together. If Favreau had asked to do Fett from the jump, we probably would have gotten something similar to Book of Boba Fett - He mentioned in the Mando S2 art book that when he was initially thinking of what kind of Star Wars show he'd want to make, the idea of Fett emerging from the pit was at the front of his mind. He was also interested in treating Fett as a sort of Iron Man character - this guy who had to figure out how to use technology to help people in a universe where technology is so often at odds with the Force and has a tendency to corrupt people. So plot elements like teaching the Tuskens to ride speeders or teaming up with the cybernetically-enhanced Mods might have had some equivalent in the show as well.
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Alternate take: they were a bad idea executed incredibly poorly
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Hot take: the mod gang are fine, and the actual bad concept is Thundercat the corporate-hip cybernetics artist (another Chapter 4 blunder).
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I think if they cast younger actors it might’ve been a bit better. They just seemed like weird 30 year olds playing dress up.
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I watched Solo for the first time since its original release the other day. Its wild how Palpatine Returns, ObiWan, Booky Bobba all shifted ny perspective of previous works...Solo is still at best a mediocre movie but it has a lot of things going for it that almost work. The other titles have absolutely nothing redeeming, they're just garbage. Here's to Andor, the last one standing...
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Ammanas posted:I watched Solo for the first time since its original release the other day. Its wild how Palpatine Returns, ObiWan, Booky Bobba all shifted any perspective of previous works...Solo is still at best a mediocre movie but it has a lot of things going for it that almost work. The other titles have absolutely nothing redeeming, they're just garbage. It's still very funny to me that the first half of Andor Season 1 is a point-for-point remake of Solo. I imagine Solo 2 would've been about Han doing a prison break and then returning home to rescue his ex from Darth Maul. But I'd say that Booky Bobba is also vastly more successful at doing 'full-on Star Wars self-parody' - while also featuring a better train heist, better use of the drug-gang villains, and an actual point in satirizing Tusken-Boba's dumbass politics. The Solo Star Wars Story, regardless of whether it's praised or criticized, is only ever discussed in terms of its adequacy. Like, either it sucks or "eh, it's good enough". There's never any talk of why we should ever even bother to watch this thing - some kind of message or lesson or whatever. It exists to be forgotten.
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https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1762930648082243777 now to wait for Dark Forces II
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Vinylshadow posted:now to wait for Dark Forces II 
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https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/electronic-arts-is-laying-off-5-off-its-workforce/quote:EA Entertainment president Laura Miele has confirmed the cancellation of the Star Wars FPS. 
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Lucasfilm's projects have actually been using a Lottery system for several years now to determine which projects actually get released. And by that I mean every year a bunch of executives are allowed to stone one creative team to death in order to ensure a bountiful harvest.
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Solo : A Star Wars Movie is the only live-action Star Wars thing that I genuinely hate. Usually, with Disney, there's just this sense of dismay. But everything about Solo is an insult. Like, even the title card is aggressively poo poo.
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One of the biggest sins of Solo was that it looked so drab and washed out. Like they intentionally chose a 70's color palette.
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Are you loving kidding me? I was really looking forward to Respawn presents Dark Forces 5: The Mandalorian, as early in development it was. Blaming titanfall fans for this one. After the deplorable executives at EA that is.
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Gonz posted:One of the biggest sins of Solo was that it looked so drab and washed out. Like they intentionally chose a 70's color palette. They did. Bradford Young, cinematographer posted:BY: Chris and Phil’s main visual reference was McCabe & Mrs Miller (1971, dir. Robert Altman), shot by Vilmos Zsigmond ASC. The tonality in the narrative and Vilmos’ cinematography really brought me in. I feel my cinematography is about being naturalistic, with a subdued imprint in the way the camera technology and lighting are used. Vilmos’ flashing of the film 35mm negative and lighting on that film exemplify that approach.
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Here's a BTS clip where he talks about his lighting decisions, and it actually kind of makes sense for a Star Wars movie. George Lucas was primarily an editor as a student filmmaker, but he also did a lot of documentary work, and carried that over into his features. THX-1138 wasn't just a movie about the future, it was a movie from the future. Star Wars wasn't a movie about another society, it was a movie from there. In order to ground it in realism, he went for a sort of pseudo-documentary style, where he just kind of let scenes play out without making the camera or lighting major storytelling devices - the intent was that the audience would be subconsciously guided into perceiving this weird sci-fi world as something real that they were just peeking into for a couple of hours. So it absolutely makes sense to make Solo feel as naturalistic as possible if it's going to try to exist in the same world as the original Star Wars movie, and that includes having lighting that doesn't look like Movie Lighting and feels like they just set a camera up somewhere. Of course, the "Star Wars is a documentary" idea wasn't needed after the audience had bought in to the world and they could take different stylistic approaches on later movies, but I can understand the thought process for why someone would approach the movie the way they did.
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