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FAUXTON posted:hey let's hear more about what your idea of progress looks like Orbs posted:*looks at current world* Not like this? lol Let's not do this in here actually.
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Grand Fromage posted:Let's not do this in here actually.
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You can identity historical period by which paradox game covers them
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cheetah7071 posted:You can identity historical period by which paradox game covers them but then how do the paradox peeps decide, eh?
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Renaissance is definitely the worst choice. Thirty Years War isn’t even Renaissance. Mughals-Renaissance? Sengoku Jidai? The Songhai Empire? Insanity.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:but then how do the paradox peeps decide, eh? When the game mechanics stop working well
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Tunicate posted:When the game mechanics stop working well edit: poo poo, this is not a games thread, sorry, will not perpetuate this
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bob dobbs is dead posted:but then how do the paradox peeps decide, eh? Vibes
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Tunicate posted:When the game mechanics stop working well  (jk, I love paradox games)
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bob dobbs is dead posted:but then how do the paradox peeps decide, eh?
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cheetah7071 posted:Vibes I'll let Mehmet II know.
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Elissimpark posted:Coming from an arts background, I found the term a bit confusing too. Modern is very much late 1800's to mid 1900's. 1600s being Early Modern in that context is eyebrow raising. I believe Peter Brown coining "late antiquity" as a (sub)periodization was at least partially inspired by art historians, who had started writing about the changes in Roman aesthetics from the 2nd century to the 4th and 5th.
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Kylaer posted:I acknowledge the existence of the term Early Modern and I absolutely hate it and think they should find any other name for that period. Early Modern is so devoid of meaning. I like it personally. It's a bit silly in that the word modern is bound to get replaced with something as the year continues to increment and we decide on some new epochal boundary, but I still think it works for now. There is an early modern period where we see the roots of globalization, colonialism, and increasing state capacity, and a late modern period from approx the French Revolution to the present that features the developed state of those systems plus fun new political ideologies.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Proper categorisation of human history: Axe-age Sword-age (shields are sundered) Wind-age Wolf-age (ere the world falls) FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Mar 1, 2024 |
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Common Era Universal Calendar Imperial Calendar New Imperial Calendar Simple
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we have not yet left.. THE AGE OF FIRE
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Brawnfire posted:we have not yet left.. THE AGE OF FIRE Please stop rekindling the flame.
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We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the world's been turning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p3DzUwxI0o Kaal fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Mar 1, 2024 |
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I sometimes think about this song when thinking about ecological breakdown. It *really* is everywhere you look in the historical and archeological record, ever since the neolithic. Humans have been altering and degrading the biosphere for thousands of years, and we keep forgetting and re-discovering this fact because of the shifting baseline syndrome. There were people in bronze age China writing about how all the large animals were gone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEYc8ar2Bpw Kids born in 2010 don't realize that thunderstorms in February weren't normal 30 years ago. Also if you haven't listened to It's the End of the World as We Know It in a long time it's got a great three part vocal harmony going on that can get lost in the mix if you've only ever heard it in passing. I think on the last two choruses it's actually four part harmony. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OyBtMPqpNY Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Mar 1, 2024 |
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Arglebargle III posted:I sometimes think about this song when thinking about ecological breakdown. It *really* is everywhere you look in the historical and archeological record, ever since the neolithic. Humans have been altering and degrading the biosphere for thousands of years, and we keep forgetting and re-discovering this fact because of the shifting baseline syndrome. There were people in bronze age China writing about how all the large animals were gone. It's a major theme of Gilgamesh too.
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This is outside the thread's stated scope but this is effectively the medieval history thread as well. When the Norse arrived in Greenland, was it already inhabited? I had originally heard that Greenland was occupied sporadically but the population always ended up dying out or leaving because Greenland just isn't a very nice place to live, and the Norse were just one entry in a long line of that, with most of the waves coming from North America. But I saw some people talking about contact between Norse and Inuit people in Greenland, and a bit of searching suggests there was a wave of migration from North America while the Norse were still there; but it's surprisingly hard to get a straight answer on whether anybody was already there when the Norse arrived. Anyone in here know?
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There were definitely people on Greenland, there's evidence of occupation going back like 4000 years. However it's also likely that the indigenous people occupied different areas than the Norse settled. We know for sure there were contacts between the Norse and native peoples, they're reasonably well documented, but said documentation is really limited, which is why it's still very up in the air.
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I hear so much about wartime leaders in classical history, but what are some good peacetime leaders? I'm not sold on the idea that war is the best of history, but it struck me reading someone's recent post that all I've encountered of the classical world is accounts of war or deadly political intrigues.
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Some of that in this thread is just that it started Rome focused, and the Romans were essentially always at war. Hadrian's about as close to a good peacetime leader I can think of in the Roman context.
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Antoninus Pius inherited from Hadrian a mostly healthy empire and spent his reign on making it even better in almost every respect without ever commanding a single legion, so I think he qualifies. It's kinda funny that he gets overlooked as an emperor exactly because he didn't have to fight any wars, he was just a diligent administrator who spent his long time as princeps on providing public amenities like aqueducts and theatres.
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I get the Romans were always fighting someone somewhere, but I always thought of Octavius/Augustus as pretty much the "you wish you were this good" peace time leader/administrator. Sure the start was absolutely ginormous civil wars but the guy lived a looong time. Were the other conflicts of his reign big "real" wars or just smaller border things that don't really affect the transitioning empire as a whole overly?
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'Peace'. I hate that word. If there's no wars then there's no triumph and influx of gold and slaves. Peace - what is it good for? Absolutely nothing!!!
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Cast_No_Shadow posted:
I know about Drusus campaign and the Varian Disaster, but how much of a difference does all this back and forth with Germany make? I don't know because the version of the story I've heard focuses on the theatrics of battle plans and the drama of dying in battle or narrowly escaping in order to send a messenger. It doesn't answer the question "did it really matter?" Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Mar 1, 2024 |
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The Illyrian auxiliary revolt was pretty serious. Not just as a military conflict (although it was, it took Tiberius + Germanicus + between a third and a half of the entire army four years to put down) but because the administrative and military structures put in place there after the Romans won provided the basis for the Latinized Danubian military aristocracy which eventually created the later empire.
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cheetah7071 posted:This is outside the thread's stated scope but this is effectively the medieval history thread as well. When the Norse arrived in Greenland, was it already inhabited? Greenland is loving huge, and the Dorset/Inuit settlers focused on areas where they could easily hunt seals and whales, while the Norse settled in areas where they might see grass every now and then and put ships out to sea. They weren't really looking for the same thing so the contact wasn't extensive
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Not being at war is boooooooring.
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Crab Dad posted:Not being at war is boooooooring. OK Ares
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Was the Confederate States of America the largest seccessionist territory in the time since Westphalian Nation-States? I'm pretty sure it was the bloodiest secessionist war until the Bolshevik wars. edit- Meant to post this in milhist. Baron Porkface fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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Baron Porkface posted:Was the Confederate States of America the largest seccessionist territory in the time since Westphalian Nation-States? I'm pretty sure it was the bloodiest secessionist war until the Bolshevik wars. How do you like to define a secessionist war? E.g. the Brazilian independence war had a larger territory. And if you look at the Spanish American independence wars of 1810-1820's as one then that's even bigger in area.
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It depends on how you are defining your terms but Tai Ping Rebellion very easily beats the US Civil war on scale of death/destruction, and is from around the same time.
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i assume the difference between a secessionist rebellion and an independence war is whether or not they win
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You could make an argument theirs a difference (even if blurry) between a colony attempting to gain independence from the imperial core/metropole i.e. Spanish North America , and a piece of the metropole trying to break it up ala the Confederacy.
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