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There was a lot of progress happening it’s just that it was outside of the guild emperor choam world so it “wasn’t seen”. At least in the books idk about the movie
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Well for example the whole progress of the fremen is a complete mystery to the protagonists of the first book until Paul finds out while in exile
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Ok sure, but the effort to terraform the planet is anticipated to take centuries. Paul catalyzes a much quicker transformation. And that project still doesn't really hold a candle to how rigid and unchanging the general structure of the Imperium has been. But it's still in service to my point that the events of Dune represent a gigantic rift from the past.
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Jewmanji posted:rigid and unchanging the general structure of the Imperium has been. That’s true. I think that was part of Herbert’s liberal critique of opec
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Or how the key to breaking the "unbreakable" Suk school conditioning turns out to be "use the guy's wife as leverage against him", a tactic never before dreamed of. Wingnut Ninja posted:Still seems like something that the conditioning, or even like a basic background check, should have taken into consideration. On top of that, as ImpAtom mentions, Bene Gesserit women don't tend to have husbands - all others but one (Margo Fenring) that we're introduced to function as concubines or are, apparently, single. drunkill posted:Let Paul say jihad It seems to me that the people who stand to gain most from its use are religious extremists - and the movie shows how recalcitrant Paul is about dealing with people who he suspects are religious extremists. Which, now that I think about it, makes me wonder in Dune Messiah if they're nixing Corba and replacing him with Stilgar, who the movie goes to some lengths to show might be a fundamentalist. Jewmanji posted:Ok sure, but the effort to terraform the planet is anticipated to take centuries. Paul catalyzes a much quicker transformation. And that project still doesn't really hold a candle to how rigid and unchanging the general structure of the Imperium has been. But it's still in service to my point that the events of Dune represent a gigantic rift from the past. Are you thinking of the ending to the 1984 version where even the audience walks away thinking Paul is a messiah? Because that misses the original book ending by way too many barn-lengths. Also worth noting the first draft of the script is considerably different - which lines up with David Lynch not really being involved with it, whereas subsequent revisions doesn't even have anyone else attached, despite David Lynch never having read the book. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Feb 29, 2024 |
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Paul doesn't make the transformation any quicker - by the time of Leto IIs reign coming to an end (~3500 years, it's close to done but even in Heretics/Chapterhouse (only 1500 years), Dune is mostly sand again. No, you have it backwards. In GEoD the planet is fully terraformed except for Leto's Sareer. The planet is completely uninhabitable for sandworms, and Leto is sitting on the world's stash of spice, that's the point. BlankSystemDaemon posted:I get your point, but on the other hand - what would it benefit? But right wing reactionaries will find any reason to be upset. Jordan Peterson was telling Elmo to gently caress off recently. People shouldn't censor their art to please these insane people. "Jihad" isn't just flavor, it's a word with specific religious/thematic/historical resonance that predates white America's understanding of it in a post 9/11 context. By not including it you're reifying people's ongoing misconceptions about it. I do understand your position on it, and I appreciate not wanting it to have any negative consequences, I just don't agree. Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Feb 29, 2024 |
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Guys, Dont stick your AMC DUNC 2 Water bottle end into your AMC DUNC 2 Popcorn Bucket. Those worm tendrils grip like mad and it will take careful pulling and rotating to remove the bottle.
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Wizchine posted:Dune Messiah owns bones. Children of Dune is the boring one...
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fuckingtest posted:Guys, Dont stick your AMC DUNC 2 Water bottle end into your AMC DUNC 2 Popcorn Bucket. Those worm tendrils grip like mad and it will take careful pulling and rotating to remove the bottle. lips that grip
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fuckingtest posted:Guys, Dont stick your AMC DUNC 2 Water bottle end into your AMC DUNC 2 Popcorn Bucket. Those worm tendrils grip like mad and it will take careful pulling and rotating to remove the bottle. Spice lube, dude.
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unfortunately at non-imax showings, the opening of the dune 2 popcorn bucket is more pill-shaped than circular
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i'm seeing it tomorrow on a converted omnimax screen. the last time i saw something there was BR2049, and it was so big i had to tilt my head up or down to look from corner to corner, and the sound was so loud it shook the rafters. i'm gonna have no loving clue what's going on lmao
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:i'm seeing it tomorrow on a converted omnimax screen. the last time i saw something there was BR2049, and it was so big i had to tilt my head up or down to look from corner to corner, and the sound was so loud it shook the rafters. i'm gonna have no loving clue what's going on lmao This sounds pretty ideal tbh
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:i'm seeing it tomorrow on a converted omnimax screen. the last time i saw something there was BR2049, and it was so big i had to tilt my head up or down to look from corner to corner, and the sound was so loud it shook the rafters. i'm gonna have no loving clue what's going on lmao I wish I saw it on a nice screen like that, the bullshit fake imax screen I saw it on had dirty projection glass so there were really distracting visual artifacts that were the worst during scenes with lots of movement, and some speakers weren't grounded properly or something so there was a distinct humming noise during moments of silence. Got free tickets afterwards by complaining, so at least I got to see Dunc 2 for free, albeit under lovely circumstances. And I'm definitely gonna go to the real imax theater at Lincoln Center to watch it again properly once things die down.
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Jewmanji posted:No, you have it backwards. In GEoD the planet is fully terraformed except for Leto's Sareer. The planet is completely uninhabitable for sandworms, and Leto is sitting on the world's stash of spice, that's the point. The books also go to some length to depict that the Fremen have been on Dune for at least 5000 years, and have apparently been collecting water for the transformation for most of it. Also, as for the meaning of Jihad - according to a good friend of mine who's both cunning linguist and a practicing Muslim, it translates directly as "striving" and used as a noun in the phrase "striving in the path of Islam", and using it to mean 'holy war' is incredibly misinformed. Another friend elsewhere pointed out that not only is this right, but it's likely that the 'holy war' meaning is likely one arrived at, and exclusively used, by religious fundamentalists.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Sure, but that's also 3500 years into the future. This just serves my point that the Imperium has been very static up until the events of the book.
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I thought the default for jihad was the struggle to be a better person.
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In a fake IMAX theater waiting for house lights to go down right now. Please don't jinx it
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Soul Dentist posted:In a fake IMAX theater waiting for house lights to go down right now. Please don't jinx it Bi lal kaifa
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:The books also go to some length to depict that the Fremen have been on Dune for at least 5000 years, and have apparently been collecting water for the transformation for most of it. no they haven't, the whole arrakis terraforming project only starts a few decades before dune, with pardot kynes whitesplaining desert ecology so hard to the native fremen that one of them decides to fall on his own knife instead of listening to another second of his horseshit uliet remains the only objectively correct character in all six books
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Monica Bellucci posted:Bi lal kaifa
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Jewmanji posted:This just serves my point that the Imperium has been very static up until the events of the book. Bubblyblubber posted:no they haven't, the whole arrakis terraforming project only starts a few decades before dune, with pardot kynes whitesplaining desert ecology so hard to the native fremen that one of them decides to fall on his own knife instead of listening to another second of his horseshit
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Oh, there's no doubting that - but I thought we were talking about the transformation of Dune. I don't recall about the Fremen falling on their own knife, but most of the actual terraforming plan does come from Liet's father and is explained as much in Dune. Pardot Kynes was simultaneously knowledgeable about ecology and in a position to do something about it to create and start a concrete scheme for it, basically. For all that there's supposed to be something pure and powerful about the Fremen, they do get pushed to actually doing anything to achieve their goals almost entirely by dudes from the outside though, yeah.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:If this is from the prequels, it didn't happen - because they don't exist. It's not from the prequels or the sequels. (it's from Dune)
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In the line at the IMAX. Some guy passed by and asked what we’re seeing and goes, “Oh, I was wondering why there were so many dudes.”
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Boy desert winter.
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No Kwisatz Haderach he.
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Monica Bellucci posted:Bi lal kaifa Ya hya chouhada It was good
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Spoiler for Dune 2: Paul Atreides raw dogs a sandworm for 2 1/2 hours. Put a tear in my eye, 4 out of 5 stars.
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Wow, I can't believe some posters forgot about (or never read) the appendix in Dune. Fall upon your knife as Uliet did.
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Just saw it. Gave it a 7/10 (part 1 got a 9/10), but that's on the Denis scale. I'll save my criticisms for once more have seen it. Actually, probably higher than a 7/10 because Denis tries to question the book a bit, with some success.
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10/10 imo. i understand the questioning the book bit but i dont care
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I might have been unclear. I think the questioning Denis does is a good thing and definitely elevates the film in this specific regard over Lynch or Sci-Fi miniseries, which both take the themes and messages of the book as given. It interrogates the source material, and that's a good thing for any adaptation to do (so long as it's done well, as it is here).
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Part 2 is way better than 1.
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Groovelord Neato posted:There was never ever ever going to be a part 2. about to watch it on 15/700 IMAX for the second time. phew
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Saw it last night. Thought it was good, visually stunning. Sound system felt like being hit by a Lynch Dune weirding module. Upside: best adaptation so far. Visuals. Revenge. Christopher Walken as the Shadam IV is good. Jessica is hard as gently caress. Downside: didn't have the emperor say a particular line from the book when he's confronted with how thoroughly hosed he is against the Fremen. My drunk friend was ranting about this in the parking lot. Also, missing a couple characters, but oh well. Also, time is too compressed instead of spread out over about two or three years. All-in-all though, no significant downside.
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Hello thread, do we do book chat in here or is there one in the book barn (if so can you link it as I can't find it)? I ask as I have a take about the fremen I want to discuss and don't know where I should dribble my brain.
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notaspy posted:Hello thread, do we do book chat in here or is there one in the book barn (if so can you link it as I can't find it)? It's general purpose Duning, go for it.
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notaspy posted:Hello thread, do we do book chat in here or is there one in the book barn (if so can you link it as I can't find it)? There are only six books. As long as you keep that in mind, this thread is for both book and movie.
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