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Salt Fish posted:In your head just add "in 1988 people thought that" and now its 100% accurate. I remember having a complete set of 1974 World Books as a kid in the 90s and I wanted to read about car racing so I looked up "race" and there was an article about "Races of Man". I was like 6 years old and wondered what any of this stuff about "races" had to do with cars and going fast but otherwise don't remember anything about the article. I wonder today how awful and racist it was.
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Woolie Wool posted:I remember having a complete set of 1974 World Books as a kid in the 90s and I wanted to read about car racing so I looked up "race" and there was an article about "Races of Man". I was like 6 years old and wondered what any of this stuff about "races" had to do with cars and going fast but otherwise don't remember anything about the article. I wonder today how awful and racist it was. 7 year old me didn't really need to know about what 1960's people thought about dog breeding. I just wanted to learn about dogs. 
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I used to do the encyclopedia version of clicking on random wikipedia pages. Just open random volumes at random spots, read about random thing and then possibly if my interest was sparked i'd go hunting the library for more info. I really liked being at the library.
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Desert Bus posted:7 year old me didn't really need to know about what 1960's people thought about dog breeding. I just wanted to learn about dogs.
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I was one of those kids who read encyclopedias (and dictionaries). My grandparents had a set they were very proud of, and never opened. In the "fancy" living room no one used except for Christmas. So I got to break them in. It was heaven.
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y'all remember when encyclopedias came on a CD-ROM? those were the days
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DontMockMySmock posted:y'all remember when encyclopedias came on a CD-ROM? those were the days Encarta's all you need!
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Due to my weird childhood, I ended up reading an ancient set of encyclopaedias cover-to-cover. We're talking early 1900s here. Images were black&white, used sparingly, on their own pages, and more frequently illustrations than photographs. Man that was... interesting. There was a ~2-year period of my life where I believed that Australian Aborigines were technically a different subspecies of humans. Very early education in "just because it's written down and sounds official doesn't mean it's right".
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redshirt posted:Encarta's all you need! encarta 99 fit on one disc and was dope as hell  i remember it had this little fantasy setting trivia game built in that i used to circumvent non-gaming time on the family computer growing up(yes it was in the kitchen)
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i remember doing little essay reports on something in grade school and our encyclopedias were handed down or some poo poo, so they were super loving old. whatever i did my report on was completely outdated and wrong so i got a bad grade. like what the gently caress you know how much effort i spent on that probably not as much as i think i did
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I had what was I believe an encyclopedia set from 1988 that I think we got from a neighbor as a gift? I flipped through a few at some point but by the time the family got them we also had an Encarta CD, or we'd go to the library to look at actual up to date books as this was the mid-late 90s. Parent still got mad at me for using the heavy books to press flowers and getting bits stuck on them, guess she thought they really were worth something? Actual thread contribution: Packaging for a lot of things has gotten way flimsier! Really notice this monthly with Always pads, the wrappers for them just tear in weird spots now which makes reusing them as containment impossible.
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KariOhki posted:I had what was I believe an encyclopedia set from 1988 that I think we got from a neighbor as a gift? I flipped through a few at some point but by the time the family got them we also had an Encarta CD, or we'd go to the library to look at actual up to date books as this was the mid-late 90s. Less packaging is normally a good thing but I can see how it would suck for your use.
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KariOhki posted:I had what was I believe an encyclopedia set from 1988 that I think we got from a neighbor as a gift? I flipped through a few at some point but by the time the family got them we also had an Encarta CD, or we'd go to the library to look at actual up to date books as this was the mid-late 90s. Yeah, it's not even subtle anymore. The tearable perforations are super inconsistent now. Even the supposedly durable trash bags split way more than usual. gently caress, man. Amazon packaging has started get busted wide open in transit. Every plastic supermarket bag has a penny-sized hole in the bottom. Ziploc bags no longer zip, and they sure as poo poo don't loc(k) anymore. It's pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. God drat. Can you imagine how much everything's going to suck a decade from now? Every email provider, automobile, and electronic device has a required basic subscription plan and an exorbitant premium tier that enables the actually useful features you bought the device (as long as you have the app and haven't exceeded your two-download limit). Amazon runs the post office. The average cost of a 2-bedroom split-level in rural Iowa teeters ever-closer on the brink of seven figures, and prices increase rapidly every 100 miles you get from Pigfucker, Iowa. Building collapses stop being shocking. Seasons are completely gone; all that remains is the weather--the increasingly extreme and unpredictable weather. But hey, at least a few extremely evil rich people will have made more money, been taxed less on it, and ruined more lives every year than the one previous. And isn't that the really what this great nation was founded on (40% of voters say yes)?
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I can only hope we're close to hitting some sort of moment where we finally stop using plastics because they're so loving horrible.
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the paper bags they have at whole foods break every time i go there (handles come right off)
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thathonkey posted:encarta 99 fit on one disc and was dope as hell mindmaze was good
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Hank Hill posted:Yeah, it's not even subtle anymore. The tearable perforations are super inconsistent now. Even the supposedly durable trash bags split way more than usual. gently caress, man. Amazon packaging has started get busted wide open in transit. Every plastic supermarket bag has a penny-sized hole in the bottom. Ziploc bags no longer zip, and they sure as poo poo don't loc(k) anymore. It's pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. I tell you 'what! but yea, agreed about packaging. I've made the same observations about Amazon boxes/envelopes. It's not universal, though. I still get plenty of boxes at work from commercial suppliers that are sturdy and have no packaging issues at all.
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I’m so happy Feliway nixed the lovely plastic packaging for their multipacks for normal cardboardish material. Just wish it wasn’t sent to me in a hilariously oversized box. With the EU connecting plastic cap rule coming more and more into play, I’ve legit changed my brand of almond milk because the packing of my store brand almond milk is now dogshit halfway through the carton. The cap is a nightmare to remove and leads to the plastic closure slowly tearing off the Tetra Pak.
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TotalLossBrain posted:I tell you 'what! Hank Hill? That's Dale Gribble through and through.
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I thought about this tread listening to better offline - the rot economy podcast. ‘wonder why Google results are getting worse, or why you aren't seeing your friends on Instagram? It's all because of the growth-at-all-costs economy that's swallowed the tech industry, where the user experience takes a back seat to monetizing every interaction with the platforms you used to love.’ Although I never really loved any of these platforms. It makes me feel a bit better to know that at least other people notice this. I don’t even talk about it anymore to younger colleagues because I’m the grumpy old man who inexplicably has a problem with poo poo like instagram and its endless commercials/stuff youmightlike/forced formats/ taking every practical function away from you including links or copy/pasting your own text.
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mrfart posted:I thought about this tread listening to better offline - the rot economy podcast. Younger people have bought the line that the internet must be plastered with ads in order to exist in a usable state. I had at least two interactions on Reddit where people couldn't believe that that it once had no ads.
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silicone thrills posted:I can only hope we're close to hitting some sort of moment where we finally stop using plastics because they're so loving horrible. I was trying to imagine the world before plastic, and it's hard to even conceive of now.
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silicone thrills posted:I can only hope we're close to hitting some sort of moment where we finally stop using plastics because they're so loving horrible. There will be no such moment, plastics will gradually fade away (along with the rest of our civilization) as oil and all its derivatives become ever more scarce and expensive, but nobody is going to abolish plastics and even if someone did nobody would obey because there are no even remotely comparable alternatives. Nobody is going to save the world (or more precisely industrial civilization, the biosphere will go on even without much of its present biodiversity), human beings will have to live (or die) with the consequences of a 500 year orgy of consumption.
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plastics are so good its basically impossible to go back. but the material isn't really the problem, its the disposable nature of modern consumer society. like cars, a world with combustion engines can exist just fine. but their ubiquity has created distorted societies and absurd co2 emissions. cars and trucks can exist, but the vast majority of a persons daily transit should be done by foot, bicycle, train, or similar
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I remember touring a late 1600s/early 1700s farmhouse once and being shown the utensils made from cow horn, after it was heated and shaped. We were told it was the plastic of colonial times. Can't we just go back to that?
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AvesPKS posted:I remember touring a late 1600s/early 1700s farmhouse once and being shown the utensils made from cow horn, after it was heated and shaped. We were told it was the plastic of colonial times. Can't we just go back to that? Where are you going to get the land and food for hundreds of billions of cows and the labor needed to process them? Furthermore, do you realize how little most people in colonial times had? The poor of agrarian societies were poor on a level that almost nobody here can even imagine, and most middle class Americans forced to live like a peasant would die, either by mismanaging their resources, being unable to physically endure the work, mishandling a dangerous tool and getting an untreatable infected wound (no antibiotics), or some other means. And while foraging people lived better than agrarian people, we would do even worse as foragers because it requires a huge body of arcane and intricate knowledge and skills that have long been forgotten to stay alive in the wild indefinitely. This is all cope. Saving the world is cope. Dreaming of making gadgets out of cow horn is cope. Any imaginary involving the preservation of consumerism, high technology, and mass production in any way is cope. Furthermore extinction fantasies are also cope, a form of intellectual cowardice that prevents us from imagining how our descendants will have to live harder, poorer, shorter lives and be much fewer in numbers because of choices all of us, not just the biggest capitalists, made. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Mar 1, 2024 |
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posting on the sa forums is also cope, for those keeping score at home
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:posting on the sa forums is also cope, for those keeping score at home yes
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Woolie Wool posted:Furthermore extinction fantasies are also cope, a form of intellectual cowardice that prevents us from imagining how our descendants will have to live harder, poorer, shorter lives and be much fewer in numbers because of choices all of us, not just the biggest capitalists, made. Descendents? In this economy?
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I categorically refuse to cope, or develop coping skills
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Cope? Ha! I reject the very notion. I shall continue to become so distraught by my circumstances that I will post unsettling things online. If I stop doing that, that's your sign to start getting really worried! 
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Woolie Wool posted:Where are you going to get the land and food for hundreds of billions of cows and the labor needed to process them? Furthermore, do you realize how little most people in colonial times had? The poor of agrarian societies were poor on a level that almost nobody here can even imagine, and most middle class Americans forced to live like a peasant would die, either by mismanaging their resources, being unable to physically endure the work, mishandling a dangerous tool and getting an untreatable infected wound (no antibiotics), or some other means. And while foraging people lived better than agrarian people, we would do even worse as foragers because it requires a huge body of arcane and intricate knowledge and skills that have long been forgotten to stay alive in the wild indefinitely. But what about my Gene Roddenberry vision of humanity adopting a rational and scientific ethos, overcoming its social problems, eliminating scarcity and poverty, and peacefully colonizing the galaxy as a socialist utopia?
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Number_6 posted:But what about my Gene Roddenberry vision of humanity adopting a rational and scientific ethos, overcoming its social problems, eliminating scarcity and poverty, and peacefully colonizing the galaxy as a socialist utopia? Patrick Stewart is actually more like his appearance on Extras than he is Jean Luc Picard irl
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Number_6 posted:peacefully colonizing 
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Internet Old One posted:Younger people have bought the line that the internet must be plastered with ads in order to exist in a usable state. I had at least two interactions on Reddit where people couldn't believe that that it once had no ads. In 2002~ I was watching YouTube with my friend (only one who had broadband) and I said “I can’t believe there’s no commercials” and he was like “nobody would watch it if there were commercials”. I want to apologize to the world for speaking that horror into existence.
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Number_6 posted:But what about my Gene Roddenberry vision of humanity adopting a rational and scientific ethos, overcoming its social problems, eliminating scarcity and poverty, and peacefully colonizing the galaxy as a socialist utopia? About as realistic as Dungeons and Dragons. E: the federation runs on nonrenewable resources, instead of one planet they are despoiling the whole alpha quadrant Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Mar 1, 2024 |
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Number_6 posted:But what about my Gene Roddenberry vision of humanity adopting a rational and scientific ethos, overcoming its social problems, eliminating scarcity and poverty, and peacefully colonizing the galaxy as a socialist utopia? Well seeing as Roddenberry died in 91 and DS9 started in 93, I mean…perhaps But then unfortunately it’s the Berman vision of humanity, which we are absolutely living in.
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