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Hamelekim posted:Fabius Bile trilogy books have Dark Eldar. I think it’s the second book. The whole trilogy is really good. Dark Eldar are in the third book. Craftworlders are in the first book, 2nd book involves his trip to Solemnace. e: Sniped my own comment about how you can read Sea of Souls without reading any other Dawn of Fire books because it's only barely connected to the narrative.
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I haven't read any other Dawn of Fire books and it worked fine.
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habeasdorkus posted:I really enjoyed Sea of Souls. I feel like it's hard to talk too much about without spoiler tags though, because the twist is pretty well telegraphed but at the same time still a very well done twist. It's a really top tier one and easily the best of the Dawn of Fire books so far
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habeasdorkus posted:You can absolutely read it as a one-off. From looking at discussions on reddit after I read the book myself, most people were like "well, it's a good story but it has basically nothing to do with the overarching plot." The overarching plot stuff doesn't really matter until the last paragraph and I feel like even then it's straightforward
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Well, well, well. https://twitter.com/MusketAnna/status/1762859360324043172/photo/1 Good for Games Workshop and good for Mike Brooks.
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Warden posted:Well, well, well. One of the things I do appreciate about 40k is that the Imperium will hate you, the individual, specifically, for things entirely alien to the experience of someone in our world.
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Warden posted:Well, well, well. This isn't new for Brooks, he's been at the leading edge of making the horrible regressive nature of the grimdark far future distinct from the regressive problems of current society, which I'm all in favor of.
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Kylaer posted:This isn't new for Brooks, he's been at the leading edge of making the horrible regressive nature of the grimdark far future distinct from the regressive problems of current society, which I'm all in favor of. Yeah, I remember him doing similar things earlier, in the Alpharius novel for example.
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He's written at least one they/them Mechanicus character (the secutor in Brutal Kunnin and IIRC one in Warboss also) and the planetary governor side character in Rites of Passage uses completely made-up pronouns, with no explanation or highlighting of it, it's just what vi does because vi's the ruler of a whole planet. It's good and it probably makes the worst neckbeards' heads explode.
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Kylaer posted:It's good and it probably makes the worst neckbeards' heads explode. I believe that Games Workshop has twigged on that a lot of lore-head chuds don't actually spend any money on minis. Frex, every time someone posts pics of space marines painted in pride flag colors and chuds lose their poo poo, what gw folks see is that the person who painted their space marines in pride colours has actually bought space marine minis. Nobody is going to stop buying gw minis if they see that, but you know, someone else just might start.
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I mean, Sandy Mitchell has been putting LBGT characters from the 2nd Cain book in 2004 (Where the lesbians love for each other is strong enough to get them through a necron tomb) and the latest does have an NB tech priest.
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Warden posted:I believe that Games Workshop has twigged on that a lot of lore-head chuds don't actually spend any money on minis. Frex, every time someone posts pics of space marines painted in pride flag colors and chuds lose their poo poo, what gw folks see is that the person who painted their space marines in pride colours has actually bought space marine minis. Nobody is going to stop buying gw minis if they see that, but you know, someone else just might start.
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Ackchually there are only two genders in 40k: topknot and bald.
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Yeah it's not just the recent books the older books were pretty decent on the issue. The imperium doesnt really give a poo poo as long as you are human, and even how they define human is incredibly generous if you consider how many modern/real world societies would struggle with say the aquatic adapted humans with webbed feet and gills, or the plant humans.
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NihilCredo posted:Ackchually there are only two genders in 40k: topknot and bald. This is Perturabo erasure. Which granted he deserves, since he's spent the past ten thousand years gathering all the anime in the galaxy in his fortified basement-planet.
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NihilCredo posted:Ackchually there are only two genders in 40k: topknot and bald. Not since Rowboat and the Lion came back. Now you've got the Roman cut and slick back as. Waiting for Sanguinius to bring back the mullet.
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I really hate that they brought primarchs back. It’s such a comic booky corruption of the setting I know, I have to get over it. Just venting
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euphronius posted:I really hate that they brought primarchs back. It’s such a comic booky corruption of the setting If it helps, the best of the new stuff is either starring Guilliman, who is the one sane man in the madness and sad about it, or far, far away from him.
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Warden posted:Well, well, well. GW sometimes doing this stuff isn't new though, I think. I vaguely remember that the first Path of the Eldar book mentioning that males choosing the Banshee path can choose to discard their birth gender, and then return to it once they move on to another one.
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Archer666 posted:GW sometimes doing this stuff isn't new though, I think. I vaguely remember that the first Path of the Eldar book mentioning that males choosing the Banshee path can choose to discard their birth gender, and then return to it once they move on to another one. Same kind of vague recollections here, probably from Eldar 3rd ed Codex.
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bunnyofdoom posted:I mean, Sandy Mitchell has been putting LBGT characters from the 2nd Cain book in 2004 (Where the lesbians love for each other is strong enough to get them through a necron tomb) and the latest does have an NB tech priest. I mean as i have said before, i feel like at some point, alot tech priests kinda move beyond physical sex and are purely gender. some have forms that are more bearing to their original sex or the oppistie ot neutral and some are just brains on a tripod. also with the eldar/dark eldar, once your a super long lived species that has literal flesh crafting and can turn people into living vivezipop/clive barker furnitur, i feel like doors open for anything.
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Also, being actual aliens gives an obvious answer as to why human notions of gender don't map onto Eldar. They get Orks right, though. Gender 100% does not matter to Orks and they'd be very confused by the notion if it ever came up. I feel it's something 40k could lean more into. One of my favorite small fantasy series, the Commonweal, is in a very grimdark world overall but of course people who've been magically and genetically modified by mad scientist wizards for 200k+ years are gonna do gender differently than 20/21st century humans. e: Also, the Imperium's real scientific nous is in biology and modification of humans which might lead to not giving much of a poo poo about gender. Who cares whether a particular member of the species is cis, trans, non-binary, or agender when there's the much bigger fascist hobbyhorse to bang on in defending the purity of the Human species as a whole against the Xenos and the Witch and the Mutant. habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Mar 1, 2024 |
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NihilCredo posted:Ackchually there are only two genders in 40k: topknot and bald.
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Orks are asexual aromantic which is why they are perfect. Their version of romance and love are waugh, and they are in love with the action, rather than using the action to express it to others
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Grilled Beef posted:Orks are asexual aromantic which is why they are perfect. Steve or Mark?
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habeasdorkus posted:They get Orks right, though. Gender 100% does not matter to Orks and they'd be very confused by the notion if it ever came up.  Orks are extremely male coded but they don't really have an internal concept of gender.
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I mean are you going to tell an Ork what to call himself?
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I would simply call an ork dakka and see if that increases my survival chances.
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habeasdorkus posted:
I will mostly agree, with the addition that the Imperium is such a large place with such a diversity of internal cultures (outside of the universally enforced hate-the-xenos and praise-the-Emperor) that it would make perfect sense to have different planets take wildly different views. Playing up the weirdness can be fun and interesting. On some planets, or individual cities or whatever, even coloring your hair or wearing makeup could be taboo, because it means you're lying about who you are, and you're probably an untrustworthy scoundrel. Ultimately I just don't want the biases and intolerances of the grim dark future to be the same as today, because that's lazy and purposeless.
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The attack helicopter "joke" but an Old Ones bioweapon.
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Azubah posted:I would simply call an ork dakka and see if that increases my survival chances. Become da dakka?
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From what I understand from some of the crime novels and Darktide, Abhumans are largely analogous to an ethnic minority in modern society and are legally second class citizens. Outright mutants even more so.
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AnEdgelord posted:From what I understand from some of the crime novels and Darktide, Abhumans are largely analogous to an ethnic minority in modern society and are legally second class citizens. Outright mutants even more so. this sorta. Abhumans are mutants that have like genetic consistency and are useful. depending on the planet/culture/regiment, they are treated as either almost human/well or shot on sight.
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Kylaer posted:I will mostly agree, with the addition that the Imperium is such a large place with such a diversity of internal cultures (outside of the universally enforced hate-the-xenos and praise-the-Emperor) that it would make perfect sense to have different planets take wildly different views. Playing up the weirdness can be fun and interesting. On some planets, or individual cities or whatever, even coloring your hair or wearing makeup could be taboo, because it means you're lying about who you are, and you're probably an untrustworthy scoundrel. yeah. i think everyone kinda views the imperium as just the galactic empire but BIGGER, but its way more diverse and fragmented then that. their are unifying factors and crossovers and stuff. but like look at the regiments, sure many base themselves of the cadians but their are tons of different weird ones, same with astartes and sisters
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. i think everyone kinda views the imperium as just the galactic empire but BIGGER, but its way more diverse and fragmented then that. their are unifying factors and crossovers and stuff. but like look at the regiments, sure many base themselves of the cadians but their are tons of different weird ones, same with astartes and sisters AnEdgelord posted:From what I understand from some of the crime novels and Darktide, Abhumans are largely analogous to an ethnic minority in modern society and are legally second class citizens. Outright mutants even more so.
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I'm almost done reading through the second book of Gaunt's Ghosts and I have a bit of a production question Does Dan Abnett have some huge excel sheet containing all the characters in the Tanith First and Only? How does he keep track of who's alive and dead across books. How does he ensure he doesn't run out of red shirts from Tanith? it's only like, 2000 people, right?
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Slotducks posted:I'm almost done reading through the second book of Gaunt's Ghosts and I have a bit of a production question This is spoilers they get more guardsmen from other planets or regiments that merge in
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with the amount of characters dan abnett primaries and borrows, id be surprised if he didnt have some master giant spreadsheet document if not many of them.
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Slotducks posted:I'm almost done reading through the second book of Gaunt's Ghosts and I have a bit of a production question Pretty sure he does have a scoresheet to keep track of members because there's so many. Mild spoilers for the 3rd and 4th book: However there are occasions where someone pops up in a future book despite being dead because Abnett forgot and had to write in a retcon. Looking at you, Lucky Bonin
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