|
I stuck with Enterprise season 3 until that final scene of the finale, and gave up on the show, i couldnt face another To Be Continued. I've went back and watched some of the two parters of season 4, and they were really good- its always great to see Brian Thompson and he's in the Romulan one- but i've nevee watched season 4 as a whole, never seen the finale. The Data Predicts a United Ireland clip has been circulating again, and it made me think of Earth: Final Conflict, (also featuring a United Ireland), and looking at the synopsis, that show really went places, huh
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 16:35
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 08:17 |
|
|
Places not featuring the original cast, notably.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 16:58
|
|
|
I haven't watched Enterprise in decades but the one thing I remember that still annoys me is hearing that T'Pol was originally written to be a young T'Pau from Amok Time but then they decided not to do that. I still think it would have been an interesting thread to do. Yeah it was creepy how may times they sexualized situations with her for no reason other than Maxim Magazine was cultrually popular so might as well tits this place up, boys.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 16:59
|
|
|
The opening season 4 two-parter is just Manny Coto taking out the time travel trash he got left by Berman and Braga. A valiant effort, but completely skippable. The Vulcan trilogy, Babel trilogy, and the Demons/Terra Prime two parter are all legitimately good, though. GATOS Y VATOS posted:I haven't watched Enterprise in decades but the one thing I remember that still annoys me is hearing that T'Pol was originally written to be a young T'Pau from Amok Time but then they decided not to do that. I still think it would have been an interesting thread to do. T'Pau does show up eventually, though! I do always feel bad for Jolene Blalock, who genuinely wanted to get to Be a Vulcan, and all too often she got reduced to being The Tits.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 17:08
|
|
|
I really want them to get Blalock back for SNW and have her be delighted by Spock and extremely supportive (in a Vulcan way). Maybe subtly allude to Elizabeth the baby.
MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Mar 3, 2024 |
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 17:13
|
|
|
GATOS Y VATOS posted:I haven't watched Enterprise in decades but the one thing I remember that still annoys me is hearing that T'Pol was originally written to be a young T'Pau from Amok Time but then they decided not to do that. I still think it would have been an interesting thread to do. Jolene Blalock didn't even get the most blatant parts of it. It is pretty obvious that someone in the writers room had a bad case of Asian fetish, as they might have put T'Pol to skinsuits, but Hoshi ended up on camera naked, having sex, or being topless more times than anyone else.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 17:16
|
|
|
At least Linda Park got to play Connie Chung on For All Mankind!
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 18:09
|
|
|
GATOS Y VATOS posted:I haven't watched Enterprise in decades but the one thing I remember that still annoys me is hearing that T'Pol was originally written to be a young T'Pau from Amok Time but then they decided not to do that. I still think it would have been an interesting thread to do. When I first saw that TOS episode I got excited thinking she was actually the same character from Enterprise, T'Pol and T'Pau sound really similar. It wasn't until later and I saw their names written down I realised they were different. I guess good on them for staying true to the vulcan naming conventions. 
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 18:21
|
|
|
Atlas Hugged posted:"Extinction" I don't really remember the peach, but I do remember those fruits that they hollowed out and filled with mealworms.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 19:08
|
|
|
Boxturret posted:When I first saw that TOS episode I got excited thinking she was actually the same character from Enterprise, T'Pol and T'Pau sound really similar. It wasn't until later and I saw their names written down I realised they were different. Like half of these are racial slurs. The other half sound worse somehow
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 19:54
|
|
|
Soul Dentist posted:Like half of these are racial slurs. The other half sound worse somehow "Mr. Spunk, please come immediately."
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 20:03
|
|
|
Soul Dentist posted:Like half of these are racial slurs. The other half sound worse somehow I'd wager more than a few names in that other half have been featured in low budget porn parodies.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 20:25
|
|
|
Petition to redub voyager and change Tuvok's name to Spxyx.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 20:36
|
|
|
I stand by my assertion that T'Pol should've been the one to take in Michael.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 20:37
|
|
|
Technowolf posted:I stand by my assertion that T'Pol should've been the one to take in Michael. 
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 20:44
|
|
|
Spilk, not to be confused with Spilk.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 20:52
|
|
|
SlothfulCobra posted:Spilk, not to be confused with Spilk. The intonation is really different.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 21:04
|
|
|
Boxturret posted:The intonation is really different. Yep. One's "Speelk", the other is more of a "spihlk". Same with Spirk and Spirk.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 21:19
|
|
|
An Taoiseach posted:I stuck with Enterprise season 3 until that final scene of the finale, and gave up on the show, i couldnt face another To Be Continued. I made it all the way to the fourth season premier and turned it off when an alien turned up in a Nazi uniform. Again.
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 21:33
|
|
|
All humans in the future have a 4 letter name that starts with K and ends with K and has one vowel in the middle. Just wait for the Captain Kuck episode
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 21:38
|
|
|
mllaneza posted:I made it all the way to the fourth season premier and turned it off when an alien turned up in a Nazi uniform. Again. Don't worry. The fourth-season premiere was the result of Berman and Braga loving off and handing new showrunner Manny Coto the mother of all holes to dig out from. Storm Front, Part II, basically completely resolves the entire Temporal Cold War (which was a terrible idea to begin with).
|
|
#
?
Mar 3, 2024 22:20
|
|
|
SlothfulCobra posted:I don't really remember the peach, but I do remember those fruits that they hollowed out and filled with mealworms. Opening scene of the episode where Trip shows up for his massage, but he's been skipping sessions, so he gives her a peach to say sorry. He insists she take a bite right then in front of him, and so she does. Pretty classic "eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil" shot. In any case, because she held onto the peach for later, it had her DNA on it from the bite she took and that DNA ends up being useful in treating the virus turning them into a different species. Which makes this another episode where biotruths really matter. Nothing you can do about who your DNA makes you. Eat your mealworms. In any case, "Twilight" and "North Star" were both pretty good. T'Pol being reduced to a nurse in the former isn't a very, ahem, logical use of her skills and abilities, but they made sure to show what a lousy captain she would be, so it's fine I guess to reduce her to a "woman's" caregiving role in that timeline. It had a lot in common with Year of Hell honestly and I think the time travel reset mechanic made more sense. "North Star" was a bit goofier since it's literally just a Western, but it did something genuinely unique with the First Contact-Prime Directive premise. There was nothing overtly offensive about it, so credit given where due.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 00:29
|
|
|
Timby posted:Don't worry. The fourth-season premiere was the result of Berman and Braga loving off and handing new showrunner Manny Coto the mother of all holes to dig out from. I love how they end the Temporal Cold War by Archer shooting a tube or something and then time just zips its pants back up and goes "Sorry about the mess, let's never acknowledge any of this ever again. OH LOOK, 9/11!"
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 00:39
|
|
|
Atlas Hugged posted:"North Star" was a bit goofier since it's literally just a Western, but it did something genuinely unique with the First Contact-Prime Directive premise. There was nothing overtly offensive about it, so credit given where due. North Star has one of my favourite moments in the series during the shootout at the end: the bad guy has T’Pol at gunpoint and is trying to get Reed to drop his phase pistol. Reed instead stuns T’Pol, shrugs at the bewildered bad guy and shoots him.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 01:37
|
|
|
Mr. Spank please come to my quarters
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 01:45
|
|
|
Zaroff posted:North Star has one of my favourite moments in the series during the shootout at the end: the bad guy has T’Pol at gunpoint and is trying to get Reed to drop his phase pistol. Reed instead stuns T’Pol, shrugs at the bewildered bad guy and shoots him. God yes. There are so many Star Trek hostage scenes that make zero sense since phasers have a stun setting. Just loving shoot everyone and sort it out after.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 01:55
|
|
|
North Star is dumb as hell, but everyone's having such a good time playing cowboy, and Reed's demonstration of the utility of the stun setting is hilarious.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 01:57
|
|
|
Grand Fromage posted:God yes. There are so many Star Trek hostage scenes that make zero sense since phasers have a stun setting. Just loving shoot everyone and sort it out after.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 02:21
|
|
|
LividLiquid posted:I used to think about this as a kid. Why not just embed stun phasers into every room on the ship? I don't think you want an instant knock the crew out button built into the ship for any number of loving reasons.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 02:27
|
|
|
Atlas Hugged posted:I don't think you want an instant knock the crew out button built into the ship for any number of loving reasons.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 02:28
|
|
|
Grand Fromage posted:God yes. There are so many Star Trek hostage scenes that make zero sense since phasers have a stun setting. Just loving shoot everyone and sort it out after. LividLiquid posted:I used to think about this as a kid. Why not just embed stun phasers into every room on the ship? Will never forget the one time Tuvok uses a wide angle stun beam to stun the entire bridge at once, then nobody ever bothers to do that ever again.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 02:29
|
|
|
Atlas Hugged posted:I don't think you want an instant knock the crew out button built into the ship for any number of loving reasons. Dunno, Janeway might. 
F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Mar 4, 2024 |
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 02:29
|
|
|
Atlas Hugged posted:I don't think you want an instant knock the crew out button built into the ship for any number of loving reasons. Computer, flood deck x with anesthizine gas etc. etc.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 02:30
|
|
|
Someone mentioned earlier that security and engineering both wearing yellow makes sense since they should be working hand in hand, but really security should be 95% engineering stuff outright. Enemy boarding party on deck 12. Start beaming their torsos into space. They've activated transporter jammers. Flood the compartments with knockout gas. They've got breathing gear. Activate holographic bee swarm program. They've donned their combat beekeeper gear. Crank the gravity up to 20g. They're wearing powered exosuits. Okay, fine, I guess it's time to go shoot them in person.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 02:42
|
|
|
Once I figured out how to "if they could, they would, and the show/movie would not be better for stopping to explain why they can't every time," after years of failed attempts at it, I started enjoying media a lot more. Then I went to film school and now I notice all kinds of different poo poo and now I'm back where I started for different reasons and am insufferable in all new and hopefully more interesting ways.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 02:46
|
|
|
Yeah, as fun as it is to nitpick that kind of stuff, the meta explanation is that Trek isn't hard sci fi, and at the end of the day those aren't the kind of stories that they want to tell. Same as with robots and genetic engineering, they intentionally avoid dealing with most of the implications of those things because they want to make stories about recognizable humans doing recognizable human things.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 03:01
|
|
|
Thinking about your own internal rules and hard sci-fi are very different things. Stargate is much better about being consistent with its world and remembering how things work than Star Trek and it's not some kind of ultra-serious science fiction treatment. Stargate also has a few instances where they don't think something through and accidentally break the setting, then just memory hole that. Which is fine, realities of making serialized stories that you can't go back and edit.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 03:12
|
|
|
Grand Fromage posted:Thinking about your own internal rules and hard sci-fi are very different things. Stargate is much better about being consistent with its world and remembering how things work than Star Trek and it's not some kind of ultra-serious science fiction treatment. Stargate also has a few instances where they don't think something through and accidentally break the setting, then just memory hole that. Which is fine, realities of making serialized stories that you can't go back and edit.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 03:15
|
|
|
LividLiquid posted:I used to think about this as a kid. Why not just embed stun phasers into every room on the ship? IIRC there was one time where the Enterprise in TOS used the ship's phasers set to stun to knock out a big crowd of people on the surface of a planet. I wondered why that wasn't used more than once.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 04:46
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 27, 2024 08:17 |
|
|
GATOS Y VATOS posted:IIRC there was one time where the Enterprise in TOS used the ship's phasers set to stun to knock out a big crowd of people on the surface of a planet. I wondered why that wasn't used more than once. Presumably because it would instantly deflate the tension from a whole lot of plots.
|
|
#
?
Mar 4, 2024 04:56
|
|
