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He might've worked his way into the top 10.
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Mar 4, 2024 00:01
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I think a lot of people already had him there.
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Mar 4, 2024 00:11
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Dammit he’s even more a athletic freak than thought
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Mar 4, 2024 00:14
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The hook with Mims was always the injury history. Freakish athleticism doesn't matter if you don't play.
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Mar 4, 2024 00:15
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SKULL.GIF posted:https://ras.football/ Horn is fantastic when he’s healthy (lol) and chinn was ROTY runner up before the panthers panth’d him.
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Mar 4, 2024 00:16
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Y’all need to check out the RAS scores for this OL class. Incredible. All the top OTs are above 9.4 and most above 9.6. Joe Alt 9.91?! *Vegeta power level scouter gif* Guards and centers are looking powerful as well.
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Mar 4, 2024 01:43
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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:Mims posting a 4.33 shuttle is absurd. RIP this I guess. Mims didn’t do the short shuttle apparently. Some data entry intern messed up when entry the guys in the Ms or something. https://twitter.com/thedraftnetwork/status/1764490448674910488?s=46&t=Q9JsEynxHxZ9F2lOwU2Uuw
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Mims is a great RT his issue is that he can't stay on the field for more than half a game without getting injuredGrozz Nuy posted:Are we really assuming Coleman is dropping below both of them already? People can be so certain in their rankings and then the second the 40s happen everyone shuts their brains off.
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Mar 4, 2024 07:06
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I don't know that Coleman's 40 says anything different than the 2023 film or production numbers do. 33% ish for both contested target and catch rate. Apparently I'm supposed to watch 2022 Coleman, where he's both consistently open and grabbing every contested catch. I don't want to though.
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Mar 4, 2024 08:07
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From what I remember Coleman was really good the first part of the season but then he was hurt and never really got back on track. He was fantastic vs LSU.Doltos posted:Mims is a great RT his issue is that he can't stay on the field for more than half a game without getting injured The Anthony Richardson of tackles?
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I'm listening to Tice and Brugler's Combine recap and they said Coleman hit 20mph in the gauntlet, which says a lot more about his game speed than the 40 does (theoretically).
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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:I don't know that Coleman's 40 says anything different than the 2023 film or production numbers do. 33% ish for both contested target and catch rate. Under no circumstances should one watch the 2022 Michigan State offense.
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Mar 4, 2024 16:23
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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:I don't know that Coleman's 40 says anything different than the 2023 film or production numbers do. 33% ish for both contested target and catch rate. Being able to out run big 10 players means nothing
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I wonder how 225 was selected? Is it just 2 plates is good? Didn’t like putting the small plates for 250?
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Whole number of big plate good. 1 plate too easy. 3 plate too hard.
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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:I don't know that Coleman's 40 says anything different than the 2023 film or production numbers do. 33% ish for both contested target and catch rate. You're right he's not a speed demon he gets all his work being way more athletic than anyone around him on jump balls and contested catches. People can just look at that, say it out loud, then see his 40 and act like he deserves to drop because of it.
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NFL Draft Thread: The Hog Is Strong
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Forrest on Fire posted:NFL Draft Thread: The Hog Is Strong Weird I thought the Robert Kraft thread got archived years ago
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Weebly posted:I wonder how 225 was selected? Is it just 2 plates is good? Didn’t like putting the small plates for 250? Its equivalent of 100kg and its 2 plate per side. So it's standard across all gyms I guess as something all athletes should have access too. How much someone can bench isn't exactly a great indicator of functional strength. Fun as hell as an event though.
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Mar 4, 2024 22:14
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Malik Washington and Tahj Washington may be better than most are advertising.
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Malik Washington having a 42" vertical at 5'8" is absurd lol
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Cash Monet posted:Malik Washington having a 42" vertical at 5'8" is absurd lol Miniature version of Sun God. If he ends up in the right system, he will end up being a top 10-15 leader in Yards.
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xbilkis posted:I don't think I've ever seen RAS used to the point of someone saying "Well, [Player X] had a 9.84 and [Player Y] had a 9.32 so my preference is [Player X]". Seems like it's mostly just a shorthand for going "This guy is a (very good/average/below-average) athlete for his position" and gathering all the combine testing numbers in one place Yeah I don't get the hate, it's just combining available testing numbers in one place and assigning a score. About as objective as it gets, just don't take it as gospel in terms of them being great players or some poo poo and you'll be fine. SKULL.GIF posted:https://ras.football/ I don't know I remember L'Jarius Sneed and Tariq Woolen being big time combine performers in terms of size and speed, both taken after pick 100 and both hugely outperformed their draft slot. Then guys who performed in college but didn't test well who were drafted high and ended up disappointments. Of course you can find examples of any scenario but size and speed is pretty drat important in a corner, not necessarily the most important thing but you gotta have at least some of it. Especially in the later rounds, there are much worse strategies than taking a chance on pure athleticism and possibly unmet potential, especially in young prospects. Cash Monet posted:This is what Amarius Mims looks like at 340 btw I'm actually not crazy about tackles being insanely tall. Long arms is nice, solid body is nice, but I would say I prefer shorter legs and slightly shorter height overall because being super tall makes it very easy for pass rushers to get under you and very difficult to win that battle of leverage. In fact after a cursory look the current best tackles in the NFL are mostly 6'4 or 6'5. Which could just be because super tall guys are more rare, but just biomechanically I think there is a point at which further height is counterproductive. Play fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Mar 5, 2024 |
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indigi posted:the little old guy taking his picture really makes it And the guy next to him who’s probably under 350 but sure looks different
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Every really tall guy could be Jon Ogden.
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Play posted:I'm actually not crazy about tackles being insanely tall. Long arms is nice, solid body is nice, but I would say I prefer shorter legs and slightly shorter height overall because being super tall makes it very easy for pass rushers to get under you and very difficult to win that battle of leverage. In fact after a cursory look the current best tackles in the NFL are mostly 6'4 or 6'5. Which could just be because super tall guys are more rare, but just biomechanically I think there is a point at which further height is counterproductive. it really depends a lot. Leverage can be an issue, but I think more often than not it's just foot speed. It's super rare for big tackles to move well, but it's a bit of tradeoff. Orlando Brown Jr is a middle of the pack tackle at 6' 8", and he's just so big and strong that the leverage you gain from his size is nullified. It's nearly impossible to convert that leverage into functional movement. It is much easier to just go around him because he's slow as poo poo. Mims has great foot speed, and I don't think you really see guys getting underneath him effectively that much in the uhhhh 6 or so games of film. I can think of a few times where you notice guys winning that leverage battle, but he's quickly able to replant and overpower them. I think it's a concern for Latham this year too, he's very powerful and has amazing grip. You're just not going to go through him. Around him? That might be easier than you'd like at tackle in the NFL.
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Kalli posted:It just takes the combine data and references it to position and height / weight. Exactly. Hating RAS is dumber than assuming it's the only thing you should look for because if you hate RAS you are informed enough to know better. It's literally a tool that lists what we're all doing here, measuring athletic performances that may or may not translate to the field.
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RAS and the combine is an outlier detection system IMO. If someone has an outlier performance good or bad, you should probably go back and check the tape and make sure you didn't miss something.
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Doltos posted:I mean everyone knew he was going to test super fast the guy was hitting 4.4 in high school it's just more the fact that he gets shoved off his routes so easily that people were talking 2nd/3rd day for him. He's smaller than DeVonta Smith, bone thin and not strong nor does he have the torque ability with his arms that Smith has. Washington was bullying the poo poo out of him at the Sugar Bowl. I refuse to listen to "gets shoved off his routes" ever again after you all soured me on Christian Watson for this very reason.
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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:it really depends a lot. Leverage can be an issue, but I think more often than not it's just foot speed. It's super rare for big tackles to move well, but it's a bit of tradeoff. Orlando Brown Jr is a middle of the pack tackle at 6' 8", and he's just so big and strong that the leverage you gain from his size is nullified. It's nearly impossible to convert that leverage into functional movement. It is much easier to just go around him because he's slow as poo poo. Mims has great foot speed, and I don't think you really see guys getting underneath him effectively that much in the uhhhh 6 or so games of film. I can think of a few times where you notice guys winning that leverage battle, but he's quickly able to replant and overpower them. Yeah I was just recently let on to knowledge about OLine tipping their hand really badly in college just due to how hard it is to move as a big guy. Seeing guys cheat up in line with the center because they can't get to the corner quick enough, seeing guys cheat far back because they have to pull, having it all be okay because most college DEs aren't NFL quality. Kind of made me realize how much you should shut up and just take the big guy who moves well even if he engages poorly or isn't that strong just because the movement is so insanely important in NFL and so hard to get. Mims, if he stays healthy, should be a phenomenal RT just because of his feet.
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Pron on VHS posted:bring the Ladd to KC https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1765039601305985344 tell me more
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Personally, I would like to see AD Mitchell on the Chiefs.
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kiimo posted:I refuse to listen to "gets shoved off his routes" ever again after you all soured me on Christian Watson for this very reason. Watson has 1000 yards in two seasons and his usage has faded in favor of two rookies. Part of that is that he can’t stay healthy but he’s also not turned into a particularly accomplished route runner and he still doesn’t have great hands. He’s a weird counterexample to use. Green Bay is supposedly looking to trade him.
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He had three touchdowns in one game and the problem isn't he gets shoved off routes. The problem is he can't stay healthy
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