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skeleton warrior posted:Most Americans are stupid and uninterested in paying any attention to politics, and therefore easy marks for pundits and media who spread those ideas. The economy is because of business and business likes Republicans (because Republicans cut taxes and reduce regulations) and therefore businesses and media businesses talk all the time about how Republicans are better for the economy and that just gets absorbed as Conventional Wisdom. Apparently it's worse, Americans aren't just uninterested, we actively misremember the past to line up with "conventional wisdom". https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-trump-leads-biden-economy/
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SaTaMaS posted:Apparently it's worse, Americans aren't just uninterested, we actively misremember the past to line up with "conventional wisdom". Personally I'm real psyched for half of voters thinking Donald Trump isn't responsible for the overturn of Roe v Wade.  And only 57% of the respondents said that the overturning of Roe was a bad thing in the first place (43% said it was a good thing).
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Main Paineframe posted:Personally I'm real psyched for half of voters thinking Donald Trump isn't responsible for the overturn of Roe v Wade. TBQH, when Trump says “I was responsible for X”, my instinct is to believe that he was not, in fact, responsible for X.
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An interesting wrinkle in that regard is Trump himself bragging about his great work overturning it (meanwhile claiming, somehow, that everyone loved it and wanted it gone). On the one hand you’d think that’d convince people to blame the idiot, on the other hand, the guy is a known liar to an almost stupendous degree, so if you truly don’t know the influence he’s had on the SCOTUS of the past few years, but you know he’s a liar…
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I Serious question : does anyone under the age of 30 answer pollsters at all?
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Ynglaur posted:I I can answer this question because I’m over 30
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If only there was a thread where people could chat about general election issues. Too bad we don't have one/
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According to that poll, the age group most happy about overturning Roe and least supportive of IVF is the group under 30. In addition, this poll has Biden losing the olds bigly, as opposed to the other doom poll where he is winning them handily. Seriously, just ignore them and look at how Trump is constantly underperforming his primaries.
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Ynglaur posted:I to answer your question with two questions: when's the last time you answered an unsolicited phone call, noting that political polling is an industry based on cold-calling random people, and what precisely do you think the demographic willing to randomly answer unsolicited phone calls and chat for 20 minutes looks like
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Mar 3, 2024 19:51
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I recently got a survey text and I like surveys so I started filling it out, but then somewhere in the middle it was clearly a push poll and I closed out.
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Mar 3, 2024 20:41
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KingaSlipek posted:According to that poll, the age group most happy about overturning Roe and least supportive of IVF is the group under 30. Really? This is surprising to me. Any idea why?
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Mar 3, 2024 21:06
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Small White Dragon posted:Really? This is surprising to me. Any idea why? Prolly cause the methodology is flawed, if I had to speculate
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Ynglaur posted:I Years ago I got a details economics survey (yes it was legit), but it started running over my lunch hour and I wanted to be done so I accidentally told them I don't have a savings account. That has colored my view of surveys ever since.
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Small White Dragon posted:Really? This is surprising to me. Any idea why? The same reason the polls are showing under 30 suddenly swinging to become loyal Republican voters, and black people swinging 30 points towards Trump.
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Mar 3, 2024 23:10
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I think getting rid of Roe was great. It means that the states have to put their money where their mouth is. The red states were constantly trying to push the envelope and make it harder and harder to get an abortion Now they are on the defensive and have to defend each mother who has to have a dead baby, every little girl having her rapist dad's kid and every mother that dies from a bad pregnancy. They have to some how jibe IVF and life and conception. Same number of abortions take place.
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Jesus III posted:I think getting rid of Roe was great. I'm sure the women jailed for abortions and miscarriages would disagree
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Fart Amplifier posted:I'm sure the women jailed for abortions and miscarriages would disagree Have any been jailed yet? Google it for me. I Googled it myself. Guardian says 61. I didn't read the article. I was thinking this is good. It will force the country to face what it really wants. I don't think most people want women jailed,. We'll see if forced births and women in jail is what those states want. I'd don't think they do and I'd think pushing the issue is going to get the country to a real consensus instead of the 50 years of fighting we've been having. Jesus III fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Mar 4, 2024 |
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Mar 4, 2024 00:26
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I liked the first Jesus better.
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Jesus III posted:Have any been jailed yet? Google it for me. You're literally calling a decision that has resulted in women being jailed and has forced child rape victims to have their rapist's baby "good". It's disgusting to say the overturn of Roe was good. And Roe V Wade was the only time in history that there has actually been any kind of consensus. Now, a consensus is possibly forever out of reach
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Jesus III posted:I think getting rid of Roe was great. It means that the states have to put their money where their mouth is. The red states were constantly trying to push the envelope and make it harder and harder to get an abortion Sure is great how those mothers and dead babies are just a means to an end. Omelettes and eggs, I guess. Jesus Christ, read what you posted then loving delete it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ynglaur posted:I Some of us millennials are in our early forties and lmao if you think I will ever answer an unknown caller
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Jesus III posted:Have any been jailed yet? Google it for me. Thank you for this great example of accelerationism in practice
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Sure is great how those mothers and dead babies are just a means to an end. Omelettes and eggs, I guess. There's 170 million women in the US. Think of them. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Take your own advice.
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mutata posted:I liked the first Jesus better. Sequels rarely capture what was good about the original
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Jesus III posted:There's 170 million women in the US. Think of them. So...lives demonstrably worse for many, generally unchanged for some, and I'm supposed to feel happy that eventually, maybe, "good" things might happen from this based on nothing but your faith that it will? Saying that the number of abortions is largely unchanged nationally doesn't mean it hasn't gotten harder and more expensive for many women to get one.
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A Supreme Court decision could come Monday in a case about barring Trump from the 2024 ballotquote:A Supreme Court decision could come as soon as Monday in the case about whether former President Donald Trump can be kicked off the ballot over his efforts to undo his defeat in the 2020 election.
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Jesus III posted:I think getting rid of Roe was great. It means that the states have to put their money where their mouth is. The red states were constantly trying to push the envelope and make it harder and harder to get an abortion “It’s great actually that women don’t have bodily autonomy!”
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Jesus III posted:I think getting rid of Roe was great. It means that the states have to put their money where their mouth is. The red states were constantly trying to push the envelope and make it harder and harder to get an abortion That....sure is some logic.
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Ravenfood posted:So...lives demonstrably worse for many, generally unchanged for some, and I'm supposed to feel happy that eventually, maybe, "good" things might happen from this based on nothing but your faith that it will? I can't determine how you feel, but I bet you feel pretty good about how this is forcing Trump to deal with it, inaddition to his legal troubles. Plus women know he isn't going to help them at all. All the rich white ladies who could comfortably imagine that they were safe voting Republican realized, no under Trump you are not going to get your IVF. I wonder if they still feel safe voting Republican?
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Trump is pro-IVF, I thought. Didn’t he make a bunch of noise about that?
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whydirt posted:“It’s great actually that women don’t have bodily autonomy!” Hyperbole. Same number of abortions happened in the year since Roe's end. Did the blue states just pick up the slack to keep it even?
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Jesus III posted:Hyperbole. Same number of abortions happened in the year since Roe's end. Did the blue states just pick up the slack to keep it even? So you are saying that every red state woman who wanted an abortion was able to get one?
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Jesus III posted:Hyperbole. Same number of abortions happened in the year since Roe's end. Did the blue states just pick up the slack to keep it even? ...yes? What the gently caress do you think happened? People started having to travel more than they already did, making a fraught process harder.
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whydirt posted:So you are saying that every red state woman who wanted an abortion was able to get one? No, In fact I think before Roe died all the Red states had just figured out the magic ticket to end abortion : the Texas bounty law. There weren't going to be any abortions there anyway. Dobbs came after, right? So didn't the end of Roe actually protect abortion in some states when their state courts looked at it? Like Kansas? I hate looking it up on the phone. Any now Dobbs is forcing the Red states to look at personhood. Do they reaaaaally want to end IVF? Birth control? Some crazies do, most women don't. Jesus III fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Mar 4, 2024 |
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Ravenfood posted:...yes? What the gently caress do you think happened? People started having to travel more than they already did, making a fraught process harder. Thank God the right to travel is allowed in the US. Please donate to charities that help poor women get the health care they need.
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Jesus III posted:I hate looking it up on the phone. ok, boomer
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duodenum posted:ok, boomer I wish!
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Time after time we’ve watched prominent republicans Pooh-pooh doing something about a serious problem until it happens to them and then they act outraged that someone could allow something like this to happen. That’s about the entirety of how much ending roe is forcing red states to reevaluate. I.e. not at all except for the few personally affected by it. Hope is not a plan.
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Then what was the plan? Abortion was already going to be over in red states. I'm not hoping anything. Didn't Florida cancel a bill giving embryos personhood? Dobbs is seeming like a dog catching the bush moment. We'll see after the 2024 elections. I'll panic after that. Jesus III fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Mar 4, 2024 |
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