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I feel like Soto is going to have an incredible season this year and he's going to love NY and we're going to love him and then Boras will put him on like the Angels next year for 600 million and everyone will be miserable.
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mcmagic posted:I feel like Soto is going to have an incredible season this year and he's going to love NY and we're going to love him and then Boras will put him on like the Angels next year for 600 million and everyone will be miserable. He'll stay in New York, just not with the Yankees.
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live with fruit posted:He'll stay in New York, just not with the Yankees. I don't think Cohen is going to go after him tbh. There is a reason he didn't go after Judge.
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Mar 4, 2024 02:08
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mcmagic posted:I feel like Soto is going to have an incredible season this year and he's going to love NY and we're going to love him and then Boras will put him on like the Angels next year for 600 million and everyone will be miserable.
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Mar 4, 2024 02:11
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bawfuls posted:I like how this is Boras just placing a player on a team rather than the result of any agency on the part of Juan Soto or say, the New York Yankees Boras has a history of putting players in bad situations to get the biggest contract. See Rod, A.
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Soto's a big mama's boy and made it seemed like he'd prefer to play on the east coast when he was on the Padres. He's not going to let Boras bully him to the highest bidder.
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mcmagic posted:Boras has a history of putting players in bad situations to get the biggest contract. See Rod, A.
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bawfuls posted:The most famous agent in the sport who represents a ton of players has a history of doing Thing X, such as that time he did it 23 years ago Baseball agents for the most part seem to do a pretty good job other than whoever is giving Braves' players advice. Boras is more about himself than his clients imo, there is a reason he has seats for the Angels where he's literally in frame on every pitch lol. He's an egomaniac. I enjoyed seeing him get embarrassed this offseason by having to take lower deals for a bunch of players. Hopefully he loses some of these clients.
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if he does this bad thing a lot more than other agents then one would think you'd cite a few more recent examples than literally 2 decades ago
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bawfuls posted:if he does this bad thing a lot more than other agents then one would think you'd cite a few more recent examples than literally 2 decades ago There are other examples. Kris Bryant and Boegarts come to mind recently. Have you ever heard him interviewed? He's an insufferable rear end in a top hat lol.
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It's nice to have at least one insufferable rear end in a top hat on the players' side
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If there’s one thing I hate it’s insufferable assholes Now excuse me while I log on to the Something Awful dot com forums
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I think if he had a well established rep of bullying players into teams they don't want to play on for his own enrichment, Boras wouldn't be the most popular agent among players
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mcmagic posted:There are other examples. Kris Bryant and Boegarts come to mind recently. Have you ever heard him interviewed? He's an insufferable rear end in a top hat lol. Scott Boras has been almost certainly the biggest boon to player compensation since Marvin Miller (especially after Don Fehr and then Scott Weiner kept giving up concessions in CBA negotiations) and he should be the executive director of the MLBPA. Bryant went to the Rockies because the Cubs low-balled him and Colorado had money to spend.
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I don't understand how you can be pro-player and simultaneously think that Scott Boras is what's wrong with the game Like he's probably an rear end in a top hat in real life and he's certainly a capitalist out to get more for himself but he does that by getting more from the much, much worse owners for some of the best players in the game
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Timby posted:Bryant went to the Rockies because the Cubs low-balled him and Colorado had money to spend. KB hadn't signed prior to the lockout and once it was over was desperate to just get some kind of deal done, meanwhile the Rockies are run by loving morons who paid to get rid of Arenado on the premise they'd extend Story then let Story walk anyway, and were looking for anybody to sign who they could spin as the next big Colorado superstar to assuage their apoplectic fanbase. The result is they offered KB well above what his market was and KB was happy to take it without any real caveats. And honestly I'd argue Colorado has more to whine about than KB does, like yeah he's shackled to a team that ain't winning poo poo but Colorado has so far gotten just 122 games and a 93 wRC+ out of KB since he signed and they're still on the hook for 5/136 with him.
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more falafel please posted:I don't understand how you can be pro-player and simultaneously think that Scott Boras is what's wrong with the game Do you think he did a good job for Bellinger, Chapman, Snell and Monty this offseason? Throw JD Martinez in there too. I don't think he's "what is wrong with the game" I just think he's more out there for himself than for his clients. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Mar 4, 2024 |
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mcmagic posted:Do you think he did a good job for Bellinger, Chapman, Snell and Monty this offseason? Throw JD Martinez in there too. Boras clearly didn't anticipate the RSN bubble imploding so quickly and brutally. That made teams afraid to spend this offseason. Edit: Scott Boras also has an estimated net worth of anywhere between $400 - $500 million. He's well beyond needing commissions to pad his wallet. His job is to get the best deals for his clients, because a rising tide lifts all boats. As salary numbers go up, more players get paid for the value they bring to the sport. Timby fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Mar 4, 2024 |
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mcmagic posted:Do you think he did a good job for Bellinger, Chapman, Snell and Monty this offseason? Throw JD Martinez in there too. People keep citing Bellinger Chapman Snell Montgomery as evidence Boras overplayed his hand but the same people were all saying how flawed each of these guys is at the start of the winter. And JD Martinez took a one year deal last year too. He’s a 36 year old DH, he’s just at that point in his career now. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Mar 4, 2024 |
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bawfuls posted:Is this Boras being bad at his job or is this a group a players that everyone knows each have major risk factors? The Bellinger thing, especially, was wild. Like, yeah, he wanted a megadeal, but he was terrible in his last few years with the Dodgers. Then he has a resurrection season and takes to playing a second position really wild and wins Comeback Player of the Year ... but I don't blame teams for not wanting to give him a 7 / 200 deal or something, given the extreme possibility he turns back into a pumpkin. bawfuls posted:And JD Martinez took a one year deal last year too. He’s a 36 year old DH, he’s just at that point in his career now. Even before his last contract, when he was still pretending to be a catcher, it was obvious to anyone with two working eyes that his knees were beyond shot.
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Bellinger and Chapman signed deals worth 10s of millions of dollars with opt outs almost every year, that's pretty good. For a guy like Bellinger that is a good deal if he plays at the level he did last season he stands to make even more money, it's simultaneously a good deal for the Cubs cause 3/80 isn't gonna limit them that much. He also seemed to really enjoy playing for the Cubs so he even ended up back on a team he wanted to be with.
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i'm confused as to how a-rod was ever in a bad situation. the rangers weren't good, but he still won mvp his last year there.
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mcmagic posted:Do you think he did a good job for Bellinger, Chapman, Snell and Monty this offseason? Throw JD Martinez in there too. It's a poo poo market and all four of those guys (I'm not gonna throw JDM in there because he's decidedly mid-tier) have significant risks. Snell is probably never gonna give you more than the 180 IP he had last year, Monty has looked amazing but the strikeout rate is down and he hasn't proven he can stick around. He's also 31. Bellinger got a good "prove it" pillow contract, he's making 30 million to prove he's worth more than that, same with Chapman. He also got a 33 year old Altuve a 125MM 5-year extension, it's not just FA. Boras has been good enough that players signing for anything other than an extreme overpay is seen as a "failure" which honestly speaks to what he's done.
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Bellinger had a great 2023 but was coming off three down injury-prone years, and his bounce back came with some really funky batted ball data that is partially driven by a change in approach but also frankly signals he was lucky as gently caress last year and will likely regress unless he starts hitting the ball harder. Chapman has been a consistently above average hitter but he whiffs at Javy Baez levels and his out of zone swing rates suggest he's not going to age well as a hitter. The last two seasons his glove has also gone from "best in class" to merely above average, and that's not expected to reverse in his 30's. Snell won the Cy but also walked a ridiculous 5 BB/9 last year and his lack of efficiency meant he averaged less than 6 IP per start which isn't great for frontline ace. He also comes with a lot of injury history and it's unlikely he can be counted on to give 180+ IP regularly going forward. Montgomery is fine honestly, but his expected stats the last couple years peg him better as a MOR guy than an ace, which is still valuable but not quite Boras megacontract valuable. He's also more of a location and contact management guy than strikeout stuff, and teams are more wary of that. Honestly once you take Ohtani and Yamamoto out of the picture this year's FA class was kinda deceptively weak. I think Boras sensed that and figured he could get all these guys huge deals as a result of them floating to the top of an anemic class despite their warts, and it just didn't pan out for a number of reasons (the RSN bubble burst probably being a fairly big one).
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mcmagic posted:There are other examples. Kris Bryant and Boegarts come to mind recently. Have you ever heard him interviewed? He's an insufferable rear end in a top hat lol. How are Bryant and Bogaerts on the same level?
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FlamingLiberal posted:https://twitter.com/feinsand/status/1764652317532434890?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA 42 million a year for Zack Wheeler!? Really?
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mcmagic posted:42 million a year for Zack Wheeler!? Really? By most metrics he's been a top 5 pitcher in baseball over the last few years. He's really really good!
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live with fruit posted:He'll stay in New York, just not with the Yankees. Worse than mcmagic's scenario, tbh
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FlamingLiberal posted:https://twitter.com/feinsand/status/1764652317532434890?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA Highest AAV ever signed in a contract extension. https://twitter.com/dobrienatl/status/1764329731577503989?t=VjfO6v3EoAZhWPfo2DgDBw I hate this poo poo
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Inspector_666 posted:Worse than mcmagic's scenario, tbh I continue to not think Soto to the Mets is going to be a thing. They didn't go after Judge for a reason.
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Maybe that reason was Judge is old af? Juan Soto this year will be the same age that Judge was in his Rookie season.
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