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It may also be that they are just not very interested in revisiting something that they have already finished as far as they are concerned. Been there, done that, rather work on something new, that sort of thing.
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They're also from the generation of gamers who had to figure stuff out and fill in the blanks, so there's a bit of a "you kids can do the same" going on. It's frustrating because a cleaned up CoC would easily dunk on every other published WW2 game out there.
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I’m in the ‘I don’t really like CoC’ minority ITT, but a second edition could probably sway me.
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It's also a matter of output. It's a tiny operation of doing mostly everthing alone. The Blitzkrieg book took ages to come out, and "the Pacific book will be out next year" has been a running joke since before the pandemic if I remember correctly. It might actually come out this year though! So I can completely see that a revision is not something he looks forward to. Also, some of the things that people complain about and would like to have fixed in a revision are not things that Rich things to fully agree on needing revisions. But I fully agree, CoC is probably the ruleset that has the highest correlation of both needing and deserving a second edition. Just handing off the rulebook, including the blitzkrieg additions, the FAQ and Rich's facebook posting history to a third party and asking them to edit it would be great. Also, let someone else rewrite the scenarios when you're at it.
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StashAugustine posted:I'm trying not to sound pejorative but it feels like it's written as guidelines for a reenactment rather than rules for a game, which is just absolutely not my style at all. Like I'm willing to put up with some of the asymmetric setups and dice rolls simulating the chaos of command, but I would like the rules to actually tell me how to play the game StashAugustine posted:Giving Soviet commissars a points cost but no actual rules text would probably be the best mechanical representation of them if it was intentional
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Ilor posted:I feel like this is a little bit off the mark, because I'm basically an idiot and I figured it out. The main problem with the rulebook as I see it is that it's not always clear in its use of terminology and it doesn't do a great job of handling some of the common "corner cases" that can pop up in games (like how do you handle allocating hits if only leaders are left in a unit). Most of the answers to these questions make perfect sense, but they're not always called out in the rulebook. Oh yeah to be clear I think the general flow of the game is pretty well explained, there's just a lot of little odd cases that aren't explained well if at all. I guess a lot of this is called out in the FAQ at least- I don't think the rulebook ever actually defines "the rear" of an infantry unit
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That's one of those things where you're just supposed to know that the front is the direction of expected advance, and the rear is wherever you came from.
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Slight shift in topic from WW2, but was there any recorded skirmish action during the Fifth Coalition/Danube campaign? I have all these cool French, Austrian, and German minor models and realistically will never have enough painted for a mass battle, but when people think Napoleonic skirmish, the main thing suggested is Peninsular war. Also there's no official 1809 Austria list for Sharp Practice which is annoying 😩
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StashAugustine posted:Oh yeah to be clear I think the general flow of the game is pretty well explained, there's just a lot of little odd cases that aren't explained well if at all. I guess a lot of this is called out in the FAQ at least- I don't think the rulebook ever actually defines "the rear" of an infantry unit I am not a CoC superfan by any means but I am trying to understand this...what do you want the book to say to define the rear of a unit?
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Count Thrashula posted:Slight shift in topic from WW2, but was there any recorded skirmish action during the Fifth Coalition/Danube campaign? I have all these cool French, Austrian, and German minor models and realistically will never have enough painted for a mass battle, but when people think Napoleonic skirmish, the main thing suggested is Peninsular war. Lots of them. A lot of the campaign along the Danube was the French army pushing forwards, seeking big decisive engagements, and the Austrians retreating and trying to avoid them where they could, pretty much until after Vienna was taken. It's after that you get the huge battles (Aspern Essling, Wagram). So there was a lot of skirmishing as the outskirts of each army kept meeting up, as well as smaller stuff like half a company of voltigeurs crossing the Danube by boat to scout, sabotage or do other small scale skirmish stuff. On top of that you have the entire Tyrol rebellion with lots of smaller scale combat, as well as the whole theatre to the north where Duchy of Warsaw was involved. You also have the entire Italian part of the campaign that is often overlooked, and then there are the even less obvious parts outside the main theatres, such as the retreat into Hungary. The reading suggestion here is, as always for 1809, Thunder on the Danube. If you like history and that series don't get you hyped about hot French-on-Kaiserlich action in 1809, I'm not sure what would. I immediately come to think of the depictions in the books of how the French sent out small parties of skirmishers across the Danube to find suitable pontoon positions once they took Vienna and the bridges were destroyed, but there are tons of times a battalion or two ran into enemies and you even get maps and stuff for it. Basically the reason why people suggest Peninsular War is the Brittish Tinted Glasses Syndrome, and as Brits they can't come to terms with the Peninsular War not being the only place where skirmishes happened in the Napoleonic WArs. Or where battles were fought in other places in the Napoleonic Wars at all (except 100 Days). Ignore them and do cool skirmish battles across the Alps, like God intended. As for an 1809 Austrian list, they were in the middle of restructuring the entire army, but got kind of bogged down. I'm pretty sure you're safe with going with an earlier army list. The big restructurings, iirc, were still on a higher tactical and strategic level than what would impact a skirmish game. The unit types remained the same, etc. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Feb 13, 2024 |
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Ilor posted:
Except not really.
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3 Action Economist posted:Except not really. I mean, this is a direct quote from the CoC FAQ: "Commissars. The role of the Commissar changed throughout the war and as such the role is not defined in the main rules. However, various interpretations of the Commissars role have been outlined on a number of Army lists and Pint Sized Campaigns. Full and complete details will be covered in the handbooks which will cover the entire war." And as an example of this, IIRC the Operation Citadel PSC treats commissars as essentially morale officers; they are an extra man in whatever squad they are attached to and count as two men for the purposes of pinning/breaking. I forget how they're handled in the Winter War campaign book. As for that last bit, I'm still waiting for handbooks to cover the entire war. They're about to release their second (the Far East handbook), so I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Pretty excited about that. GdA 1 got rave reviews from all the folks whose opinions I trust, and it sounds like GdA 2 tightens up a lot of the stuff that people had issues with (command level, skirmishers, etc.)
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Ilor posted:I mean, this is a direct quote from the CoC FAQ: I understand it's in the game that way, I'm saying that wasn't reality. We've had this discussion many times in this thread, though.
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I must have missed it then. The only discussion about commissars I remember in this thread was debunking the "shoot every man who retreats" myth that has lodged itself in the popular wargaming psyche because of 40K.
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Ilor posted:I must have missed it then. The only discussion about commissars I remember in this thread was debunking the "shoot every man who retreats" myth that has lodged itself in the popular wargaming psyche because of 40K. It was lodged in the wargaming psyche long before Warhammer 40,000. I'd heard that old canard before I even knew what WH40k was. It's just kind of ingrained in the popular consciousness after nearly fifty years of corrupted historiography. Endman posted:I’m in the ‘I don’t really like CoC’ minority ITT, but a second edition could probably sway me. I was going to say "...what are you talking about, it's on it's seventh!?" before I realised which thread this was. 
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Absolutely lolling at the timing of the "it's a small company! they don't want to do a second edition!" discussion in this thread and then this gets rolled out.
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Springfield Fatts posted:Absolutely lolling at the timing of the "it's a small company! they don't want to do a second edition!" discussion in this thread and then this gets rolled out. If you mean GdA2 it's not developed by the lardies, just printed by them. GdA is developed by Dave Brown who also did General de Brigade along with a bunch of other stuff.
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Very Excited, good excuse to start painting up Austrians again.
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Friends want to play through some of Meuse-Argonne. Anyone know what the organization and equipment was like for the American side? Googling says large division with organic tanks and artillery, but I can't find much for equipment save the tank and artillery side of things.
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Crosspostin'Springfield Fatts posted:Looks like well known historical sculptors 3dBreed are releasing a 28mm specific line of WWII figures. Looks much better than their old stuff scaled up. $40 for a full US & German army ain't bad.
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I'm going to play Blucher for the first time this coming week. Anything I should be aware of? Any classic beginner mistakes I might not know about? Neither of us have played it before, but we have the rules, cards, and really want to give it a go. I'm going to see if I can't find some batreps on youtube or something like that.
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Virtual Russian posted:I'm going to play Blucher for the first time this coming week. Anything I should be aware of? Any classic beginner mistakes I might not know about? Neither of us have played it before, but we have the rules, cards, and really want to give it a go. I'm going to see if I can't find some batreps on youtube or something like that. I did the map for these guys, playing Leipzig with Blucher https://www.youtube.com/live/fzMUDyPpaNs?si=7CVo7D7iEkTOs5MT
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Dirt Worshipper posted:I did the map for these guys, playing Leipzig with Blucher Thanks for this, also great job, that map is gorgeous. edit: this is perfect, there is a brand new player in the game and they are explaining what will surprise him. Virtual Russian fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Feb 19, 2024 |
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I know this isn't SA mart but you guys would probably be the only ones who care, selling my 6mm stuff. Cold War British: https://ibb.co/album/7v1kyN Cold War Soviets: https://ibb.co/album/TMhVGX PM if in the US and interested, mods yell at me if you want me to move post. Springfield Fatts fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Feb 27, 2024 |
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Springfield Fatts posted:I know this isn't SA mart but you guys would probably be the only ones who care, selling my 6mm stuff. Weird, I just encountered this on ebay right before coming here.
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Yeah I was a dipshit and listed it there before thinking of checking in the thread.
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I realized that I actually really like grid based systems. I'm aware of: To the Strongest for ancients through 1500 For King and Parliament for ECW Square Bashing for WW1 I guess Rommel for WW2 but that seems more grand tactical than single battlefield? Is there anything else out there?
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Mythic Commander by Modiphius is a fantasy game, but it's basically a grid based wargame that comes with the rulebook and maps packaged with four armies worth of tokens to use. I haven't gotten around to playing it yet, but I can't imagine it'd be difficult to build armies that ignore the fantastic elements and just use it as "generic midievals".
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Peter Pig also does PBI (poor bloody infantry) which is gridded platoon scale WWII TtS! also has a fantasy hack called M2: Magic & Monsters that's pretty good. If you want to stretch the genre there's also Fire at Sea which is naval WWII.
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I have been tempted by PBI a few times. Maybe I should just give in and buy some.
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Count Thrashula posted:I realized that I actually really like grid based systems. I'm aware of: The entire Commands & Colours system. https://boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Command_and_Colors_system I have the samurai set but never got around to test it.
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C&C is good. I got the AWI version Tricorne during the holidays and I liked it so much I'm in the middle of a project doing miniatures to replace the blocks. Fighting the grog urge to go all in on full hex terrain too.
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Springfield Fatts posted:C&C is good. I got the AWI version Tricorne during the holidays and I liked it so much I'm in the middle of a project doing miniatures to replace the blocks. Fighting the grog urge to go all in on full hex terrain too. Don't tell me this, I'm already desperately trying to talk myself out of doing a 28mm AWI army
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Count Thrashula posted:Don't tell me this, I'm already desperately trying to talk myself out of doing a 28mm AWI army My long term plan with my 6mm samurai is to use them for C&C. I have roughly enough for two armies.
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Starting to plan out a Jomsvikign Saga force based on their appearance in Vinland Saga. Anyone got recommendations for a range in metal that has plenty of unarmored heavy axe guys and as many capes as possible?
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Anyone have a good source for 15mm medieval figures in the US? I have a 3D printer so I have some Dark Age and medieval stuff for it already, but I'd like to check out tiny pewter dudes too for things like Lion Rampant.
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StashAugustine posted:Starting to plan out a Jomsvikign Saga force based on their appearance in Vinland Saga. Anyone got recommendations for a range in metal that has plenty of unarmored heavy axe guys and as many capes as possible? How soon do you want them? I think Footsore's upcoming new set of vikings look to be some of the best vikings I've seen: https://www.kickstarter.com/project...tMjo_gwlcCyXSLs You can find more previews on their facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/FootsoreMiniatures?locale=et_EE I might have to pick some up to bolster my existing viking force, even if I never realistically get around to play Viking era Saga these days. The range will include berzerkers, and I don't have any yet, so that's an excuse.
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Cthulu Carl posted:Anyone have a good source for 15mm medieval figures in the US? I have a 3D printer so I have some Dark Age and medieval stuff for it already, but I'd like to check out tiny pewter dudes too for things like Lion Rampant. As always Henry Turner has you covered for 3d printing, but his stuff can look a little wonky scaled up to 15mm without any tweaks. https://www.myminifactory.com/users/henryturner/collection/6-15mm-medieval
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