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Another stupid drug prohibition is being ushered into law before your very eyes and no one is interested in stopping it? How do you think we ended up with so many other dumb drug prohibitions? Would anyone support an Australian politician who proposed making alcohol ‘prescription only’? KingEup fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Mar 5, 2024 |
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Mar 5, 2024 05:24
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i think we should ban more drugs tbh
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Mar 5, 2024 05:26
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Cigarettes are bad, but at least they stink, which acts as a kind of protection. Vapes might be less bad, but they're still bad, and they don't have that stinky protection, which makes them a different kind of dangerous. We shouldn't make toxic things nice and present them like candy to children. We're on the way to reducing smoking with those rising age-limit things anyway. e - KingEup posted:Would anyone support an Australian politician who proposed making alcohol ‘prescription only’? If it was as widely addictive and non-fun as vaping is, then yeah probably
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Mar 5, 2024 05:27
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KingEup posted:Would anyone support an Australian politician who proposed making alcohol ‘prescription only’? An excellent idea and I fully approve of your proposal. It kills more people than vapes I suspect.
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Mar 5, 2024 05:30
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Cigarettes are bad, but at least they stink, which acts as a kind of protection. What does ‘widely addictive mean’? So coffee too then? https://x.com/jamomartin/status/1764835134161793097?s=61&t=0JZcRltCkkWUPOYIuINbjQ
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Mar 5, 2024 05:39
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Do you sleep on a pillow made of Big Vape dollars
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Mar 5, 2024 05:44
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Wake up babe new single issue poster just dropped
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Mar 5, 2024 05:45
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KingEup posted:What does ‘widely addictive mean’? So coffee too then? Widely addictive means that it only takes a little taste for most users to become hooked. Kind of like coffee I guess. But most people can get by with like one or two coffees a day, the "withdrawals" are a different order of magnitude, it doesn't require mining lithium etc, and it's not as bad for the health.
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Mar 5, 2024 05:52
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So vaping has replaced a significant potion of smokers. The smoking trendline was already in decline, but the massive decrease in the last few years seems to have coincides with a massive increase in vaping. From a harm minimisation perspective that's great, but we shouldn't stop there, we should work to remove or at least limit the risk as much as possible. Don't get me wrong, the war in drugs is stupid and counter-productive, and I fully support the decriminalisation of all drugs. But that doesn't mean we should legalise and promote them. A ban on the importation and advertisement of vapes is sensible, tackling kids over possession is cop behaviour.
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Mar 5, 2024 05:53
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KingEup posted:The overwhelming amount of evidence indicates that youth vaping has accelerated the decline in youth smoking. vaping is smoking, hth
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Mar 5, 2024 06:04
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Until vaping us as profitable to tax as cigarettes they will be banned.
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Mar 5, 2024 06:06
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Widely addictive means that it only takes a little taste for most users to become hooked. Your understanding of the science is incomplete. Nicotine is a drug of dependence. However, nicotine, when it is self administered in tobacco smoke has a different pharmacology to nicotine delivered independently of it:  I encourage you to read the entire paper: https://web.archive.org/web/20190220231122id_/http://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2996/16bd08991b4be42421e22361df00ab3338ae.pdfNicotine vaping is: “vaping is in fact much less addictive than smoking” https://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/2...by-smoking.html quote:Vaping as a Cause of Nicotine Addiction
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Mar 5, 2024 06:12
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KingEup posted:“vaping is in fact much less addictive than smoking” Cool, just quit then
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Mar 5, 2024 06:15
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need something to reduce avoidance of noxious stimuli to tolerate you're posts
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Mar 5, 2024 06:19
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Cool, just quit then I don’t think you understand the subject matter. ‘Addiction’ is a term used to describe a relationship or involvement with something that persists despite functional impairments and harm. That is why we don’t, in a clinical setting, describe people who are caffeine dependent as ‘addicted’. They are simply dependent and may not want to quit. They may, however, be diagnosed with a substance use disorder if their relationship with substance persisted despite serious harm, like Larry here for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI7FkBoDxx4
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Mar 5, 2024 06:30
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Vaping is fine (smoking stinks but I wont stop you doing it) and idgaf what people want to put into their body but I do take issue with using finite resources like lithium and rare metals to make disposable vapes and just throwing them on the ground. There is some models around that even have a USB-C port for recharging yet you cant actually refill them with juice. NZ vapes seem to have got it right. Make them olive drab packaging and tax them like cigarettes. one of my more spergy mates has collected all the batteries out of every vape hes ever bought and made them into a small battery pack for his e-bike. e: we should allow vaping inside so that venues without smoke machines can actually have some decent atmosphere for musicians.
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Mar 5, 2024 06:31
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Cool, just quit then lol getting owned by Bucky is almost as embarrassing as vaping.
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Mar 5, 2024 06:34
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how much is big vape paying you, and how can I get in on this? as someone who had a lung transplant I think I would make a great spokesperson for Big Vape if it could pay off my mortgage
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Mar 5, 2024 07:00
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GoldStandardConure posted:how much is big vape paying you, and how can I get in on this? My position on vapes is well informed and supported by evidence which I have posted. Your position rests entirely on the shill gambit.
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Mar 5, 2024 07:18
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KingEup posted:My position on vapes is well informed and supported by evidence which I have posted. Your position rests entirely on the shill gambit. so how much? and can I have some?
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Mar 5, 2024 07:23
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I work in a hospital. I have seen more damage caused by tobacco than you can imagine.
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Mar 5, 2024 07:35
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KingEup posted:Another stupid drug prohibition is being ushered into law before your very eyes and no one is interested in stopping it? How do you think we ended up with so many other dumb drug prohibitions? I propose we ban vaping because you post bad
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Mar 5, 2024 07:43
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KingEup posted:I work in a hospital. I have seen more damage caused by tobacco than you can imagine. ...is that a yes on splitting your Big Vape money or???
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Mar 5, 2024 07:43
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KingEup posted:I work in a hospital. I have seen more damage caused by tobacco than you can imagine. Lol I guess the bar isn’t very high for this to be true
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Mar 5, 2024 07:49
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KingEup posted:I work in a hospital. I have seen more damage caused by tobacco than you can imagine. When this happened to George Miller he made Mad Max but all I'm seeing are Bad Posts
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Mar 5, 2024 07:53
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OP lusts for a generation of 20-something year olds with the lung health of 18th century coal miners because they are also actively loving their own lungs up and needs to rationalise it somehow. Some sick poo poo tbh
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Mar 5, 2024 08:22
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Need something to calm the nerves after staring at screens for 16 hours a day
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Mar 5, 2024 08:40
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KingEup posted:My position on vapes is well informed and supported by evidence which I have posted. Your position rests entirely on the shill gambit. Bucky Fullminster posted:Cool, just quit then
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Mar 5, 2024 08:47
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:When this happened to George Miller he made Mad Max but all I'm seeing are Bad Posts King Up: Beyond Postingdome
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Mar 5, 2024 09:02
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Eh, "I think we should just get tough on vapes and say no to vapes" is the boomer "I think we should just get tough on drugs say no to drugs" for millennials.
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Mar 5, 2024 09:05
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look this is the no buckys thread, we're only allowed one.
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Mar 5, 2024 09:12
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Ban vapes. Bongs should be the only smoking implement allowed.
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Mar 5, 2024 09:16
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Recoome posted:OP lusts for a generation of 20-something year olds with the lung health of 18th century coal miners because they are also actively loving their own lungs up and needs to rationalise it somehow. the children yearn for the black lung
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Mar 5, 2024 09:20
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I think controlling vapes is easy without resorting to prohibition. Their parents could always just ground them.
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Mar 5, 2024 09:40
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Spookydonut posted:look this is the no buckys thread, we're only allowed one. Maybe we need someone proposing bad unhealthy policies, to balance out the excellent healthy ones
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Mar 5, 2024 09:56
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the two of you should be locked in a room with half a brick and whoever is last standing gets to stay in the thread
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Mar 5, 2024 10:00
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Meanwhile cigarette companies are resorting to the same old tricks to encourage teens to vape https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2022-12-22/vaping-e-cigarette-tricks-loopholes-industry-target-young-people/101793648 https://ecigator.com/lounge/rise-and-decline-of-juul/ - and dont think just because Juul is in trouble means Phillip Morris and BAT are not up to the necks in the same bullshit they long have done https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/12/philip-morris-lobbying-to-stop-who-attack-on-vapes-and-similar-products gently caress em.
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Mar 5, 2024 10:23
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If nicotine patche, lozenges and gum didn’t exist there might be more of a case for vaping, but those existing things do exist and are safer than heating and inhaling a fine mist of something mixed and packaged by the lowest bidder. “VALI was all to do with one vape product ingredient” isn’t really that strong an argument. Even if we assume that most vape ingredients fall into the category of “stuff other than air and water vapour that you can safely inhale with no long-term consequences”, who knows when some manufacturer will put something noxious in there again? When it comes to stone benchtops I hope we can all agree that the lung health of 20-30-year-olds trumps commercial concerns. Why not then with vaping?
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Vapes loving stink. Not as bad as cigarettes, sure, but I like being able to walk out of a building without copping a noseful of ~~FRESH GUAVA ICE~~ or hubba bubba or whatever the gently caress
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