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FlapYoJacks posted:That’s an awful price for those specs. looking at the site the eSprinter is currently only available in the larger 170" wheelbase, but has a lower payload than the diesel 144" wheelbase, which leads me to believe they're probably aiming for bulky lightweight cargo like package delivery. Package delivery already has baked-in downtime at a central location for loading, so charging potentially wouldnt reduce productivity at all if it doesn't limit route length and the charge it can be done while loading. might even mean less downtime if going to a third location to fuel is time consuming
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Extremely cool post thank you! I worked with a guy who was an EMS part time and he said something about how they switched from GM to Ford or vice versa (I forget), and after that they couldn’t go over concrete medians anymore because the transfer casing was too low and would smash to pieces if they bounced the wrong way  Most of the ambulances here are the boxy ones although I think there are some sprinter vans too, they look very European!
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Cactus Ghost posted:looking at the site the eSprinter is currently only available in the larger 170" wheelbase, but has a lower payload than the diesel 144" wheelbase, which leads me to believe they're probably aiming for bulky lightweight cargo like package delivery. Package delivery already has baked-in downtime at a central location for loading, so charging potentially wouldnt reduce productivity at all if it doesn't limit route length and the charge it can be done while loading. might even mean less downtime if going to a third location to fuel is time consuming Amazon seems to have gone all in on it, I live near a distro center, and we get pretty much 100% Rivian vans. USPS is supposed to be buying some Canoo vans to try out soon too. Local sub/urban delivery seems like a great fit for EVs, since it's mostly low-speed trundling around, and anything that lowers particulate and NOx emissions in urban cores is great. Kinda a bummer that J1772 doesn't support 3Ø AC charging, since big warehouses and distribution centers all have it, and 22kW charging would guarantee even really big batteries get charged overnight. I know you can do 22kW with split phase, but it's more of a pain from an installation and load balancing standpoint.
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Elviscat posted:Amazon seems to have gone all in on it, I live near a distro center, and we get pretty much 100% Rivian vans. USPS is supposed to be buying some Canoo vans to try out soon too. Local sub/urban delivery seems like a great fit for EVs, since it's mostly low-speed trundling around, and anything that lowers particulate and NOx emissions in urban cores is great. J3400 evidently supports 277v. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYiq3pen9TQ&t=533s
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Celexi posted:type 2 can do 3 phase can't type 1 do it? Nope, only has two power pins, and I'd imagine the inverter's not set up for it either. Bone Crimes posted:J3400 evidently supports 277v. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYiq3pen9TQ&t=533s That's cool! A lot of commercial lighting is 277V, so that could be a good way to get chargers in lots without adding a ton of extra wiring for 240/208.
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@Edward IV from what I remember during my stint in healthcare, nobody uses box ambulances in europe since they are too wide to fit the average city road, it's always a sprinter or ducato conversion even if the cargo area is minimal due to sizing constraints. The esprinter (but also the educato) max speed would also makes the average ambulance driver laugh, i've witnessed ambulance drivers going at max speed (150kmh+) in tight urban roads and barely making the cut at destination ER, removing that 30kmh+ emergency speed buffer isn't good. SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Mar 3, 2024 |
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Saukkis posted:I think you need to ask yourself if the generator was worth the expense in the first place. How costly would the damages have been if the house was without power for half a day? I think the same will apply for the battery, it won't be worth it unless the solar panels can pay it off. Off the top of my head, I would say it was not really worth it. It wasn't my decision in the first place, we live in a place that occasionally gets extreme winters and it was so even if we lost power we could still run the (gas) heat and keep the pipes from freezing. I've seen what happens after an extended loss of heat in a house causing the plumbing to rupture, which was like $30k in damage to an empty house and that was 20 years ago. That being said, we live near the center of a town with a 11k population, the power may go out for short bursts but never for an extended period. There is a power utility dispatch yard right in town, about the only thing that would bring down the power for an extended period here is a swarm of tornadoes in the area, and one generally shouldn't have to worry about the pipes freezing during the seasons where that could happen (Although we just recently had the first February tornado in recorded history in our state, which was also a significant hail storm that left a few small dents on the hood of my model 3). If we lived way out in the country it would be more worth it, I know after some winter storms these last few years there were rural areas without power for multiple consecutive days. The one time there was a fire at the substation that took out power to the whole town one evening for about 80 minutes it was pretty fun to be the only building within a good mile with the lights still on.
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ROFLBOT posted:Are we in some remote shithole in a 3rd-world country? No, we’re a suburb of Perth, Australia, a city of 2m people…. Hate to be the one to break it to you...
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SlowBloke posted:@Edward IV from what I remember during my stint in healthcare, nobody uses box ambulances in europe since they are too wide to fit the average city road, it's always a sprinter or ducato conversion even if the cargo area is minimal due to sizing constraints. yeah urban europe is a whole different situation. i remember seeing an ambulance built out of a focus wagon  part of it is that in france and a lot of continental europe, the model for ems is fundamentally different. their emergency response ambulances have doctors and a bunch of supplies with much less of an emphasis on transport and more of an emphasis on delivering definitive care on scene. idk if that means more or less need for power but it definitely means less need for interior volume
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Cactus Ghost posted:part of it is that in france and a lot of continental europe, the model for ems is fundamentally different. their emergency response ambulances have doctors and a bunch of supplies with much less of an emphasis on transport and more of an emphasis on delivering definitive care on scene. idk if that means more or less need for power but it definitely means less need for interior volume At least in my neck of the woods it's not uncommon to have two car teams being dispatched in critical situations. One ambulance van and one staff car, with the staff car with ers onboard going at warp speed to get there in time and stabilize for transport while the ambulance is slightly behind to load and carry back to hospital. Ambulance teams usually are made of three staffers, one pilot and two medics, with the cargo area designed for one patient and one medic.
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Cactus Ghost posted:yeah urban europe is a whole different situation. i remember seeing an ambulance built out of a focus wagon Yeah that's how a friend described how EMS is done in Switzerland at least where he described the medic in the ambulance is there to "play doctor." As for power, the chassis we use tend to be stock engine-wise besides dual alternators and batteries and higher idle settings. Otherwise, its a stock 6.7L Powerstroke diesel V8 or a 7.3L gas V8 for the Ford F-series or a 6.7L Cummins in the Ram with enhanced transmission cooling. I think the biggest power draw (electrical or mechanical) for our ambulances at least is probably the HVAC system which the upgraded options can have a cooling capacity of 38k BTUs. We also offer HVAC options that can run off of AC shore power that can be configured to work in conjunction with an optional standby generator. With a relatively smaller interior volume, European ambulances probably don't need nearly as much power to keep the interior heated or cooled.
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Edward IV posted:I think the biggest power draw (electrical or mechanical) for our ambulances at least is probably the HVAC system which the upgraded options can have a cooling capacity of 38k BTUs. We also offer HVAC options that can run off of AC shore power that can be configured to work in conjunction with an optional standby generator. That seems crazy enormous for an HVAC plant to cool the inside of the box, 38kbtu is about 3 tons, my entire house is heated and cooled by a 5 ton heatpimp. With such high HVAC draw, is there any consideration going to insulate the box? Or is it just easier to throw a layer of felt on there to prevent condensation and let an oversized HVAC unit handle it?
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I would think that part of the high capacity for the hvac is for life saving temperature management, especially when you've had the big door at the back open to get a patient with heat stroke or hypothermia inside the ambulance quickly while there is a temperature extreme outside.
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being able to turn over a huge volume of air without making the inside temp match the outside temp also comes with the bonus of reducing risk of droplet and airborne transmission as well. transporting a patient with active TB you put n95s on everyone including the patient and run the exhaust fan at max. being able to do that without being able to make the incoming air habitable is barely better than not being able to do it at all
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Never really had a frame of reference on the relevance of HVAC capacity ratings and why we chose them but that all makes sense. We actually used to have HVAC options that could push 50k BTUs but the company that made them got wiped out by Hurricane Ian and we haven't gotten around designing a new system using units from a new vendor. We do insulate the body but I'm not sure how much more we can do insulate it more without going with more exotic insulation. While I don't know if we've ever tested it, I'm certain that the level of insulation that we install is sufficient enough for most of continental USA. And it's not like the V8s or Cummins diesel are struggling to run such a high capacity system. If anything we had more trouble designing a system and plumbing that wouldn't get bogged down in the heat and humidity of Florida.
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OBAMNA PHONE posted:well during my 30 day probe i finally acquired a new 2LT Bolt from a dealer in pdx, had to stay overnight because they dont loving charge cars (wtf) before they put them up for sale Also apparently the 2025 Ioniq 5 will finally have a rear wiper
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Edward IV posted:Of those available to my knowledge, the F-150 Lightning only tangentially covers our needs provided that it can be built as a single-cab F-350 at a minimum. Elviscat posted:Amazon seems to have gone all in on it, I live near a distro center, and we get pretty much 100% Rivian vans. USPS is supposed to be buying some Canoo vans to try out soon too. Local sub/urban delivery seems like a great fit for EVs, since it's mostly low-speed trundling around, and anything that lowers particulate and NOx emissions in urban cores is great.
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Do those vans have the hissing/white-noise backup alarm?
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wolrah posted:The Lightning shares almost nothing outside of the cab with the Super Duty line. Presumably eventually there will be an electrified F-350 (probably as a hybrid) but it's unlikely to share much with the Lightning from a chassis standpoint. What's it going to take to get an electric Bronco?
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Failson posted:What's it going to take to get an electric Bronco? there's no way that isn't coming. if there's one thing america loves its driving off-road capable vehicles on the highway
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It does seem *odd* to me that Ford hasn't announced anything else upcoming except for a 3-row SUV.
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Failson posted:What's it going to take to get an electric Bronco? Whenever they want to juice sales
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Chronojam posted:Whenever they want to juice sales
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Speleothing posted:It does seem *odd* to me that Ford hasn't announced anything else upcoming except for a 3-row SUV. They’re developing a new battery platform at the moment. They also got burned by losing a poo poo load of money on Mach-E and Lightning sales. They’re not alone, GM postponed their Silverado EV.
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Failson posted:What's it going to take to get an electric Bronco? Never happening
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Speleothing posted:It does seem *odd* to me that Ford hasn't announced anything else upcoming except for a 3-row SUV. Cactus Ghost posted:there's no way that isn't coming. if there's one thing america loves its driving off-road capable vehicles on the highway Chronojam posted:Whenever they want to juice sales lol Ford's CEO recently said that they were pausing all future EV roll-outs and limiting the range to the MachE and Lightning until revenue for those models improved and their next-gen platform was ready
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Why does every single Ioniq 6 on lots in this area have the range-killing 20" tires. I know I still have 4 months left on the lease for this damned Nexo but gdi I want a proper road tripping car ready for me when it's over
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Nitrox posted:Making sales is kinda what a corporation does Chevy cancelled their best selling EV, which was the best selling EV overall behind Tesla. Sometimes corporations do stupid things.
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Chronojam posted:Chevy cancelled their best selling EV, which was the best selling EV overall behind Tesla. Sometimes corporations do stupid things. they were losing money on every Bolt the Bolt ended up being a really good deal for consumers
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trilobite terror posted:they were losing money on every Bolt You know, I haven't ever seen even ballpark figures substantiating that they lost money, or even offhand claims by WSJ or something. On the other hand, GM said the vast majority of Bolt buyers weren't existing Chevy owners, something like 3/4 of those sales could've gone to the competition otherwise. Surely they'd gladly pay [$rumoredLoss] to make sure you don't buy another Honda this cycle. Plus that's not even getting into compliance/regulatory/tax benefits. But really I was just trying to find a way to fit "Juice" and "Bronco" into the same sentence without making it too on the nose 
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Starting in 2026, European crash tester Euro NCAP will deduct points for cars that don't have physical controls for certain functions:https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/03/carmakers-must-bring-back-buttons-to-get-good-safety-scores-in-europe/ posted:"The overuse of touchscreens is an industry-wide problem, with almost every vehicle-maker moving key controls onto central touchscreens, obliging drivers to take their eyes off the road and raising the risk of distraction crashes," said Matthew Avery, Euro NCAP's director of strategic development.
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TheFluff posted:Starting in 2026, European crash tester Euro NCAP will deduct points for cars that don't have physical controls for certain functions: Good, but the question is do Tesla's stupid steering wheel turn signal buttons count?
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I was looking at a Tesla and seriously considering their newer Model 3, basic model which they've priced just under the £40k 'luxury car' additional tax threshold here. Then I saw that the thing has no steering wheel stalks. Nope. Anyways I'm looking at probably a 2021-make Model 3, the all-wheel drive models for the extra range. Looks like I could potentially get something with 35k miles on the clock. Any idea how much the range will have dropped from the sticker range by that point? Also, should I be looking elsewhere than Tesla's in-house 'certified' pre-owned online store? I have no idea whether the fact they're on that official site means anything at all versus getting one elsewhere.
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Chronojam posted:You know, I haven't ever seen even ballpark figures substantiating that they lost money, or even offhand claims by WSJ or something. we're definitely in that category. if you had asked me at any point in my life if i would buy an american brand of car it almost certainly would have been no but the bolt won me over. almost made it through the first 1k miles and loving it. interested to see how the mi/kwh economy will be once the weather warms up more
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OBAMNA PHONE posted:we're definitely in that category. if you had asked me at any point in my life if i would buy an american brand of car it almost certainly would have been no but the bolt won me over. I owned a Chevy Cavalier and it was the worst loving car. I hated that thing and it was one of the major reasons I was shy about buying my Bolt.
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Tayter Swift posted:Why does every single Ioniq 6 on lots in this area have the range-killing 20" tires. I know I still have 4 months left on the lease for this damned Nexo but gdi I want a proper road tripping car ready for me when it's over Can you elaborate on this? Would I get better range with bigger tires? Mine are factory spec I assume.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I owned a Chevy Cavalier and it was the worst loving car. I hated that thing and it was one of the major reasons I was shy about buying my Bolt. It's good to be wary of GM. They're still doing their old thing of having something really good and canceling it (the Bolt).  But I hate all the automakers, really.
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