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HamburgerTownUSA posted:Many US wrestling fans have never seen any joshi live ever, much less see them performing at full power live in Japan. I'd bet my literal house that gains in overseas viewers is both quite small and vastly less important than live gates. Cyberagent absolutely bleeding money on wrestling tells the reality there It's a significant bigger threat losing talent to the west than an opportunity. That is the issue.
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Burn Down Canberra posted:I'd bet my literal house that gains in overseas viewers is both quite small and vastly less important than live gates. Cyberagent absolutely bleeding money on wrestling tells the reality there God forbid the talent actually gets paid
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Duke Pukem posted:God forbid the talent actually gets paid Ahh I see Because I'm old enough to remember when the wwe ripping the guts out of say the indies was a problem. I'd have thought a thread on women's wrestling would probably understand its not ideal for women's wrestling fullstop for the duopoly to just warehouse Japanese talent and to wreck the industry there. Strange how this sub forum has changed its tune on this issue post 2019
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Burn Down Canberra posted:Ahh I see I dont remember becoming the spokesman for the sub forum. Im for talent getting paid, whether it be in wrestling or any other sports and always have been. And I dont buy that BushiRoad cant compete, so stuff it with that duopoly nonsense
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WWE killing the indy scene was because a lot of them signed up to be on the Network, the details of which locked up various talent and prevented them from working outside what WWE wanted as well as limit who the companies on the Network could use. AEW has done so such thing and is much more willing to sign a part time contract. See Riho, Yuka, ShiDa, etc. Both AEW and WWE are fully aware of the talent in these companies and has been for years. The idea that you're somehow hiding talent by keeping them locked to Japan or the UK is ridiculous. Let them take some indy/AEW dates and get paid. PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Mar 5, 2024 |
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Burn Down Canberra posted:Ahh I see lol alright dry those eyes big guy
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Duke Pukem posted:I dont remember becoming the spokesman for the sub forum. Im for talent getting paid, whether it be in wrestling or any other sports and always have been. And I dont buy that BushiRoad cant compete, so stuff it with that duopoly nonsense Bushiroad can compete to a point. Mayu iwatani said in an interview a couple of years ago that she makes 1 million yen a month as her downside and 3 million yen plus on good months. Which is good money. But let's be realistic. The combined income of njpw and stardom is about 45 million dollars a year. They Japanese market is smaller regardless and compounding that is tv money in the US. Japanese promotions essentially fork out quite a large percentage of revenue on pay to be competitive in the market. BR itself has quite clearly upset the joshi industry on pay All I said was that the benefits for Japanese promotions through subscribers to services is significantly outweighed by the challenges of losing wrestlers into the west. I understand capitalism champ But it's a significant threat to pro wrestling in Japan..some people like Japanese wrestling
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PaybackJack posted:WWE killing the indy scene was because a lot of them signed up to be on the Network, the details of which locked up various talent and prevented them from working outside what WWE wanted as well as limit who the companies on the Network could use. Is that last paragraph true though. I'd suggest to this thread the best wrestler under 30 in Japan is Kaito Kiyomiya. There doesn't seem to be a big push from the big two to sign him. Njpw itself turned down the wwes offer back in the day to show new japan content on the old wwe network out of fear the wwe would pick off anyone who their fans liked.
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Japanese women's wrestling is far more threatened by a lack of interest in the product at home than any predatory buy up of talent by the big America companies. Mostly because there isn't a trend of hiring Japanese talent by the big two and the Japanese talent that does work America consistently are either special attractions on the indies (like Maki Itoh or Minoru Suzuki) or have had every major match in their home promotions and without shifting sales noticeably in Japan (Riho, Yuka, Takeshita, and Miyu). AEW hires female Japanese talent mainly based on their pre-existing relationships to major male talent. Riho, Shida and Emi were packaged with Kenny Omega and the same goes to Yuka and Takeshita. Tony Khan pushes strong English language promos in the women's division in order to shift ratings. WWE takes the very very best of matured Joshi and apart from a fluent English speaking blue chip prospect like Giulia, I don't see them having any interest in Japanese women at the moment.
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I'd have to think AEW cared about its women's division before I thought it was raiding other companies for talent for its women's division.
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Lamuella posted:I'd have to think AEW cared about its women's division before I thought it was raiding other companies for talent for its women's division. I was gonna argue but I don't think I can at this point At least we have RoH
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Was already keen for when the JTO show featuring the Inaba sisters fighting each other hits vk, now i'm seeing Azusa debuted new gear and am thinking there's a chance she might actually beat Tomoka
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Lol at this logo. https://twitter.com/we_are_stardom/status/1764943407045345388
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You're talking about the duopoly when what's happened so far is that a few people have taken some single bookings. Also go be mad about global capitalism allowing free movement of workers or whatever Gumball Gumption fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Mar 5, 2024 |
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Eneusy
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Yeah, were it not written in the text I wouldn't have guessed E neXus V
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The acronym should have been ENV, because you can pronounce it as "envy" which makes sense as a faction name. Hopefully the logo can be refined.
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It is a bad logo But whatever. I love everyone in EXV Push Hanako
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Snooze Cruise posted:Eneusy I definitely read it as "eneussy" at first because the internet has broken my loving brain e: The Internet Made Me Stupid
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Elephant Ambush posted:This and also I want to see the global non-WWE wrestling ecosystem grow and flourish together with talent exchanges and cross promotion. Isolationism is not going to work long term lol the global non wwe ecosystem of "everyone must go to AEW"
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idk if I was Starlight Kid and had been in Stardom pretty much my entire career and I was suddenly free to work anywhere I wanted to because my old boss is gone, I'd probably try and get booked on every Wrestlemania week show I could and then sell a bunch of masks since Stardom wrestlers showing up in America are already kind of a rarity and being booking in weird stuff is how we got Maki Itoh and Nick Gage as a tag team
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ItohRespectArmy posted:lol the global non wwe ecosystem of "everyone must go to AEW" I'm not saying I want every top joshi to be full time All Elite, and AEW doesn't have space on the roster to hire away all the best joshi talent anyway I'm just saying that AEW correctly understands that wrestling is a global ecosystem and doesn't insult their fans by insisting that other promotions don't exist the way WWE does. If joshi want to work outside Japan and they want the largest audience that doesn't involve them working at a rape factory then AEW is the place to go I am absolutely totally opposed to any American company trying to drain Japan of all of its top talent
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Elephant Ambush posted:I'm not saying I want every top joshi to be full time All Elite, and AEW doesn't have space on the roster to hire away all the best joshi talent anyway if joshi want to work outside of japan they should work at a company that actually puts women to the forefront of their product rather than consistently being a cooldown match afterthought
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I'm sure they'll take your disapproval into consideration when being offered the greatest exposure and biggest paydays of their careers
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you're right, we should all look at wrestling as if we were investors trying to figure out how to extract as much value as possible. next we can talk about how we can catch that "lapsed fan" demographic and appeal to casual fans
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idc about peoples finances i just want good booking and good matches. i'll be watching the Spark show now when before i wasn't going to. thank you Spark
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The brutal reality is that if you're a Japanese promotion then letting your wrestlers spend time taking bookings in the US is going to make it a lot less likely they'll leave full-time. Because the Yen is so weak right now that getting paid in dollars means you're earning a lot more than you would be at home. So better you let them go on a short tour than lose them to AEW or NXT. Sucks if you're a joshi watcher but that's just economic reality right now. But there's the reason that even someone like Shigehiro Irie has spent so much time abroad the last couple of years. Bare minimum you have to let them go over Mania week because there's so many bookings in such a short time that people can take.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:you're right, we should all look at wrestling as if we were investors trying to figure out how to extract as much value as possible. not even close to my point but make up whatever strawman you feel justifies your ideological purity
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Barry Bluejeans posted:not even close to my point but make up whatever strawman you feel justifies your ideological purity the ideological purity of seeing good matches instead of half speed matches infront of fat fucks like you lol (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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ItohRespectArmy posted:you're right, we should all look at wrestling as if we were investors trying to figure out how to extract as much value as possible. What the heck is wrong with you? Nobody here is doing any of that Joshi should be able to choose where they work, and personally I don't want them working for the rape factory. But KAIRI and Io and Asuka work there so good for them. I hope they're not being harrassed
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ItohRespectArmy posted:the ideological purity of seeing good matches instead of half speed matches infront of fat fucks like you lol tranquilo
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Elephant Ambush posted:What the heck is wrong with you? Nobody here is doing any of that not sure why you keep bringing up WWE but i guess you are mentally deficient so it makes sense you're always thinking of them. it's possible for people to not work in the US, it's actually very easy to do. Not everybody needs to be working to serve hamburger
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ItohRespectArmy posted:not sure why you keep bringing up WWE but i guess you are mentally deficient so it makes sense you're always thinking of them. Do you understand that all the joshi who are on Mania week shows chose to take those bookings and nobody forced them to? It is their wish to work shows outside Japan and have been saying that publicly for a long time Are you saying they should not do that and remain loyal to Glorious Nippon on principle?
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I'm having a hard time parsing what anyone is mad about in this thread right now, a bunch of Stardom wrestlers getting booked outside of Stardom should be a good thing, did Sonny program some sleeper agents or something
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I love Ryo Mizunami and I watch lots of GanJo and TJPW shows and I still also think it would be sick and cool if Ryo Mizunami got a big ol' entrance on an AEW show and lots more people saw how cool Ryo Mizunami is. I like showing people my fav wrestlers and I like seeing my fav wrestlers wrestle. I think it would be cool if I got to see a big STARDOM name at a local indy also, or if one showed up to wrestle Athena. Peace and love.
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yea ok posted:TJPW fans are so mean listen up shortie, fork over your lunch money so i can buy raku merch or i'll kick ur rear end
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Elephant Ambush posted:Do you understand that all the joshi who are on Mania week shows chose to take those bookings and nobody forced them to? It is their wish to work shows outside Japan and have been saying that publicly for a long time i dont have a problem with mania weekend stuff, i just find the nasuating obsession with people saying that wrestlers need to be working for the 2 most boring companies in the world tiring, regardless of which they are stunting for
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Not surprised a crazy Joshi fan hates the concept of international trade. Maybe they're right, it was a more elegant time with elegant weapons.
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