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stephenthinkpad posted:There needs to be a money effectiveness factor coefficient index that index already exists it's literally the inverse of the profit margin of any industry or transaction
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I think the Brewer claim is poorly phrased and is just the state spent more than the private sector on military stuff. The Satia claim is obviously a bit more contentious but the piece doesn't rely on it for its discussion of the musket trade. DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Is there a word for this? It’s almost determinism but not quite. It's the opposite of determinism, it is affirming agency. We COULD choose to make these shells. The real world in these neoliberal states is more deterministic because they can't actually choose anything and are governed by the invisible hand / cybernetic capitalism.
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FirstnameLastname posted:that index already exists it's literally the inverse of the profit margin of any industry or transaction I need a snappy 3-letter acronym name for it, like "Tankie Monetary Theory".
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The Oldest Man posted:btw this same thing applies to, quite literally, everything. money is an abstract representation of value, but in late financialized capitalist economies, the abstract representation is reified: Number is the value, not the material things it represents. In the words of the wise Akala: "Money is a means to get wealth, not the wealth itself"
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Weka posted:I think the Brewer claim is poorly phrased and is just the state spent more than the private sector on military stuff. The Satia claim is obviously a bit more contentious but the piece doesn't rely on it for its discussion of the musket trade. Oh I just meant that it's funny that the state doing this is understood to be critical to the past, but not the present.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vJBKfQFD8I&t=822s An academic contacted this slingshot youtuber to help him test theories about ancient slings, and for one of the tests they put a camera downrange so they could show you what it sounds like on the receiving end. It's a tiny bit after this timestamp. And I would poo poo my loving pants if this happened to me. One of the hypotheses is that the holes weren't primarily there for whistling, but might have been for mounting the shots to a staff sling or something, but even then I'm sure the whistling was a benefit. SixteenShells has issued a correction as of 21:55 on Mar 5, 2024 |
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Interesting to find out what it sounded like to die about 2500-2000 years ago.
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SixteenShells posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vJBKfQFD8I&t=822s I dug out one of my books on ballistics, Their Arrows Will Darken the Sun: The Evolution and Science of Ballistics, you'd probably appreciate this: The Sling Our first projectile weapon, the sling, is an ancient and nearly universal tool, found all across classical Eurasia and also in Mesoamerica. Biblical peoples and ancient Greeks and Romans all used the sling as a military weapon. It dates from the Stone Age and was inexpensive and simple to make, though using a sling effectively takes a lot of training. In Roman times, Ballearic Islanders (in the western Mediterranean) were famous for their skills with the sling. More than one Roman historian records the story that boys on these islands were trained by withholding their food until they could hit it with a sling stone.4 A Ballearic slinger is illustrated in figure 1.3. The sling consists of two cords, traditionally made of wool or hemp, with a pouch in the middle to hold the sling stone. One cord end was fashioned into a loop, through which the middle finger of the throwing hand was placed (see fig. 1.3). The other loose cord end was knotted, so that it could be easily gripped between thumb and forefinger. The projectile is released by letting go of this knotted cord—at just the right moment. Skilled slingers were recruited for skirmishing with the enemy. They could send a projectile to a quite considerable distance—exceeding the range of ancient bows. The most common sling projectile was a rounded stone, but military use often led to specially manufactured clay or lead projectiles of biconical shape (like a pointed football); these flew farther than stone projectiles and did more damage. A projectile in a sling pouch can be launched in one of several different ways. The simplest and most accurate, though with the shortest range, is the underarm shot. This is like a golf swing, with the sling replacing a club. A golf shot can send a ball 200–300 yards, but an underarm sling slot is shorter: the wrists cannot be used to power the sling through the bottom of a swing the way they do for a golf club. Also, the length of a sling that is used in underarm mode is quite short. Let us say that the length of arm plus sling is limited to a meter (just over a yard); with a maximum rotation rate of 5 Hz, as for the thrown rock, we find a sling projectile speed of about 100 ft/s (31 m/s) and a maximum range of 110 yards (100 m). There is a sidearm delivery in which the sling is swung sideways—the same action as that of an Olympic hammer thrower. An overhead delivery is similar except that the sling can be rotated several times, like a lasso; here the sling length can be increased to perhaps 4 feet (say 1.2 m), increasing the range to 250 yards, or 225 m. Experienced slingers can do better than this, by taking advantage of the whiplash lever-arm effect that we saw in technical note 1 for the throw. The current world record for a stone shot from a sling is over 440 yards. Longer ranges were claimed for slingers of the Old World classical civilizations. One problem with the sidearm or overhead delivery is that aiming is more difficult. Another problem for the military use of slings was that the sidearm and overhead deliveries require a lot more room, and so the number of slingers that can be brought into action at any one place is limited. ANCIENT WARFARE 101 Many readers will have picked up a tolerable knowledge of modern warfare through their interest in ballistics, and if you are a professional soldier or veteran, you will have considerable knowledge on this subject. Fewer readers, I wager, will appreciate the role that ballistic weapons played in ancient warfare. So, here I will provide a broad outline of some of the features that ballistic weapons brought to the battlefields of ancient Greece and Rome—indeed to all battlefields of antiquity from prehistory to the dawn of firearms. ... Obviously, in close combat the light infantry would get pulverized by the heavies, but in reality the heavy infantry would rarely catch the light auxiliary soldier. Light infantry acted as skirmishers, spread out in front of the advancing enemy heavies, sending showers of projectiles at them from a safe distance, trying to break up their formation and soften them up so that friendly heavy infantry would prevail against them. As the enemy advanced, the skirmishers would withdraw behind their own heavy infantry units and let the opposing heavy infantry formations slug it out. Heavy cavalry in dense formation were vulnerable to well-organized archers, as we will see, while skirmishing archers or slingers were easy prey for lighter cavalry units, who could run them down. Densely packed units of heavy infantry were similarly vulnerable to javelins, arrows, and sling stones but not to heavy cavalry (the horses had more sense than their riders and would refuse to charge into massed ranks of armored soldiers bristling with long spears). So this is the mix of military units common throughout the battlefields of the ancient world: heavy and light cavalry and infantry; dense units equipped to fight in close order and diffuse units equipped to fight at a distance. Advancing technology (advancing more slowly in past centuries, to be sure, but advancing inexorably) influenced these battles by changing the delicate balance between different units. Chariots fell out of use, and then slings. Archery upgraded. Cavalry adapted. Firearms appeared and changed everything—but only slowly, as we will see in Ch 2. (Covers crossbows btw)
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might have to find a copy of that book, that's fascinating. thanks for the excerpt!
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Cold War equipment in War Stores, even if worn out and “obsolete” is still better than not actually having any of the new high tech stuff that rendered the whole idea of “35mm AA guns” and “any antitank weapons whatsoever” “outdated”. An additional funny about it is that some NATO countries did store a lot of stuff: tanks, BMPs, MANPADS, artillery guns, shells, anti-aircraft guns, trucks. And those stores ran out, completely and totally. To some, this would imply that perhaps a large quantity is useful to have. To others, well... remember when the US asked Cuba to give Ukraine its whole military and expected it to work? There's also the fact that this stuff just completely gets swept under the rug. Everyone knows about the 14 Challengers, the whatever amount of Leopards, the 31 Abrams. How often do you hear people confront the 500-600 modernized T-72s Ukraine was given, and, apparently, didn't make a difference? In addition to Ukraine having one of the largest tank forces in Europe at the beginning of the war, incidentally? Of course, acknowledging that these tanks existed, and now apparently do not, would run rather counter to the narrative that the tide can be turned with just a handful more help. This is closely related to the fact that the US and Germany top the charts for how much assistance they've given, because those charts are entirely based on quoted monetary value (given to the local or American MIC, even, not to Ukraine). Countries like Poland were stupid enough to give up everything for free. Poland gave way more than Germany, and but you wouldn't know it from either charts or news. DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Am I crazy? Wouldn’t you rather have the Oerlikon than nothing? Especially funny considering everyone is rediscovering that it might be good to shoot down drones, and MANPADS are more expensive than bullets.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:This is closely related to the fact that the US and Germany top the charts for how much assistance they've given, because those charts are entirely based on quoted monetary value (given to the local or American MIC, even, not to Ukraine). Countries like Poland were stupid enough to give up everything for free. Poland gave way more than Germany, and but you wouldn't know it from either charts or news. 2% gdp on military spending for nato countries now buys one (1) nato-branded ballpoint pen
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The Oldest Man posted:2% gdp on military spending for nato countries now buys one (1) nato-branded ballpoint pen the Russian fededation just uses a pencil
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the pen comes with a handsome tote which is yours to keep!
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RETVRN to XLV-mil
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:An additional funny about it is that some NATO countries did store a lot of stuff: tanks, BMPs, MANPADS, artillery guns, shells, anti-aircraft guns, trucks. The Ukrainians clearly still have 1000+ T-64s, a couple hundred T-80s, almost all of its Western tanks etc. They are just saving them for a giant offensive.
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Ardennes posted:The Ukrainians clearly still have 1000+ T-64s, a couple hundred T-80s, almost all of its Western tanks etc. They are just saving them for a giant offensive. Every armoured marvel from Ukraine's arsenal, including the T-64BM Bulat, BMT-72, BTMP-84, T-72AMT, and Oplot, come in with everything for a HUGE offensive.
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Every armoured marvel from Ukraine's arsenal, including the T-64BM Bulat, BMT-72, BTMP-84, T-72AMT, and Oplot, come in with everything for a HUGE offensive.
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Quote provided to the NYT by a Ukrainian soldier who uses the callsign Spielmeister Anton.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:. To others, well... remember when the US asked Cuba to give Ukraine its whole military and expected it to work? no, I don’t, do you have a link? that is hilarious
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Weka posted:Albanian. There's at least a theory that Albanians are Illyrians. There's a whole thing on this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Albanians
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Danann posted:The QE aircraft carrier can carry 36 F-35Bs at any 1 time lol
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Weka posted:Albanian. There's at least a theory that Albanians are Illyrians. wasn't Alexander the Great also Albanian?
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gradenko_2000 posted:wasn't Alexander the Great also Albanian? Of course, I thought everyone knew that
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The Oldest Man posted:2% gdp on military spending for nato countries now buys one (1) nato-branded ballpoint pen And the pen is out of stock on back order with no ETA. uber_stoat posted:the pen comes with a handsome tote which is yours to keep! Don't worry the tote bag will be automatically deducted from your salary 2 pays from now.
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DancingShade posted:And the pen is out of stock on back order with no ETA. the pen only exists in cg lockmart sizzle reel form but it looks dope
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The Oldest Man posted:the pen only exists in cg lockmart sizzle reel form but it looks dope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF7x0ZIFeVc You know, finding out about the daily unlock codes really puts Lockheed's slogan "we never forget who we're working for" in a good light, were I a country looking to purchase fighters.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF7x0ZIFeVc lol a flight sim has you enter the unlock codes as part of the startup sequence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezl1iC_ynOs
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I wonder if this means you could brick someone's F-35 fleet by jamming internet around their airbases. I assume the DRM sends the code somewhere for verification, rather than being internal, since that would be crackable and sort of defeat the whole point.
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IIRC the RAAF had to jailbreak their Super Hornets because the US wouldn't give them to codes to reprogram the targeting software. The Australian department of foreign affairs then started handing out the hack to other countries as part of military tech sharing agreements.
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:I wonder if this means you could brick someone's F-35 fleet by jamming internet around their airbases. So as the Russians roll through the Fulda gap the entire NATO F-35 fleet is grounded because their auth servers got hammered past capacity and crashed?
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"On page 127 of the technical manual, what is the 8th word on the 5th row?"
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500excf type r posted:"On page 127 of the technical manual, what is the 8th word on the 5th row?" Knowing them, the manual is itself a pdf that requires a password, hosted on a LockMart website, and can't be downloaded.
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But first you have to log into your Adobe account
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Sitting in an online queue waiting for auth and suddenly you jump 200 steps ahead as Poland is overrun.
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Houthis in Moscow https://twitter.com/Aldanmarki/status/1751338525990027705 Can a mf spare some iskanders
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mila kunis posted:Houthis in Moscow 
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Ansarallah has Poliburo and Russia doesn't. Yemen is already cooler than Russia. Also give Yemen any unexploded Ukraine drone boats.
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