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WithoutTheFezOn
Aug 28, 2005
Oh no
Soooooooooy
Un stevedore
I'm a smuggler baby
But please don’t kill me.

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Cranappleberry
Jan 27, 2009
GW Bush voice: Pootie Poot

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

An exultant McNulty pulls up his car and bellows,"BEADIE RUSSELL!" only to realize he's interrupted an impromptu street concert by Beck :hmmno:

surf rock
Aug 12, 2007

We need more women in STEM, and by that, I mean skateboarding, television, esports, and magic.
Finally, episodes 9 and 10 of season 5:

- Final season rankings based on impressiveness: 4 > 2 > 3 > 1 > 5
- Final season rankings based on enjoyment: 3 > 4 > 2 > 1 > 5
- I'll be in Baltimore for a couple of days in May. I wonder if there are any show-related sights I should go track down.
- I want to know how Junk Man got that pretty horse.
- Marlo finally had his big emotional moment and it was real "nice meltdown, idiot" vibes.
- "Postpartum depression, son."
- No wonder Lester's voice is always slathered in honey like a prime Lando Calrissian; doing police work is his kink! Glad to know Shardene's still in his life, even after the other shoe dropped. He's just fine, baby.
- Michael isn't a dumbass; he read Snoop like a book. Not Snoop's best bit of deception though, to be honest.
- lol, good job spotting the Omar-sized hole in the Baltimore job market, Michael
- Good for Bunny, he finally got a win.
- The press plotline this story was such a flop. I appreciate the idea of what the show was trying to do by adding all of these other institutions to the mix beyond the simple law vs. street beginning, but I think they got progressively less compelling with each new institution.
- Did not realize that Cheese was Randy's dad. Thanks for nothing, jackass.
- "You got to see this! There's a serial killer, but he only be killing other serial killers."
- It's actually shocking that Dukie survived. Prez is smart to cut ties here and that's how I would've handled it too, and the last scene is foreboding, but I haven't written Dukie off.
- Prez is the rare case of someone looking worse with a beard. Aside from that, though, he's near the top of the list for the show in terms of his character development. What a journey.
- I liked the little montage of city landscape shots as time passed midway through the finale.
- Good brinkmanship on Lester's part to wring that much info out of Clay Davis with the threat of a federal suit that he already knows will never come.
- Of course when Herc gets told that his info about the wiretap set Marlo free, his reaction was simple pleasure at getting an attaboy. No regrets at all.
- "To be continued."
- "The lie's so big, people can't live with it, I guess."
- "This is the lie I can't live with." The other shoe has finally dropped on Daniels' background in the Eastern.
- I wonder how many times Bubbles' sister did the basement routine with him leading up to the show's timeframe. This is the second time we've seen it, and given how long Bubs has been clean at this point, I have to imagine there were at least several more failed attempts before this to keep her this cautious still. And it makes his final scene all the more impactful, because we know he earned it.
- "My name is Reginald."

I've loved this show. It took a little bit of time to sink its teeth into me, but I can certainly see why it it's never let y'all go. It easily makes my top 10 all-time, and probably pretty high on that list. That said, I think the wheels were coming off the wagon this season, and I'm relieved it ended here. It kept The Wire's entire run somewhere between "good" and "phenomenal."

I can't wait to start reading through the OP's episode summaries and listening to the show's podcast. I deliberately avoided looking up anything about the show while on this watch-through for fear of inadvertent spoilers, and I finally got to scratch my itch just now about where I've seen Avon (Creed!), Beadie (The Office!), and Carver + Dennis before (The Walking Dead!).

Thank you all for reading along with these posts, sharing your insights/expertise, and kindly not spoiling a single thing. But first, one more thing, certain to be uncontroversial...




THE OFFICIAL SURF ROCK POWER RANKINGS

The Law

1.) Lester Freamon
2.) Cedric Daniels
3.) Bunk Moreland
4.) Dennis Mello
5.) Bunny Colvin
6.) Beadie Russell
7.) Prez
8.) Fitz
9.) Carver
10.) Santangelo
11.) Jay Landsman
12.) Sydnor
13.) Dozerman
14.) Kima Greggs
15.) Jimmy McNulty
16.) William Rawls
17.) Marimow
18.) Patrick Mahon
19.) Augustus Polk
20.) Valchek
21.) Herc
22.) Ervin Burrell
23.) Anthony Colicchio
24.) Eddie Walker

(editor's note: I included one joke ranking in the above list, see if you can find it!)

The Street

1.) Bubbles
2.) Omar Little
3.) Stringer Bell
4.) Prop Joe
5.) Avon Barksdale
6.) Snoop
7.) Bodie
8.) Butchie
9.) The Greek
10.) Dennis
11.) Michael
12.) Wee-Bey
13.) Shamrock
14.) Bernard
15.) Brother Mouzone
16.) Kimmy/Tosha
17.) Vondas
18.) Wallace
19.) Orlando
20.) Slim Charles
21.) Marlo Stanfield
22.) Renaldo
23.) Dee Barksdale
24.) Poot
25.) Old Face Andre
26.) Bird
27.) Chris Partlow
28.) Cheese
29.) Johnny Weeks
30.) Dante
31.) Kenard
32.) Boris Sergei
33.) Hungry Man
34.) Spider
35.) White Mike
36.) Lamar
37.) Ziggy
38.) Bubbles' stalker

The Actual Law

1.) Rhonda Pearlman
2.) Maurice Levy
3.) Billy Murphy
4.) Ilene Nathan
5.) Judge Phelan
6.) Rupert Bond
7.) Steven Demper

The Dock

1.) Frank Sobotka
2.) Nobody else matters

The Politicos

1.) Clay Davis
2.) Norman
3.) Clarence Royce
4.) Odell Watkins
5.) Theresa D'Agostino
6.) Tony Gray
7.) Tommy Carcetti
8.) Nerese Campbell
9.) Marla

The Family & Friends

1.) Shardene
2.) Walon
3.) Dukie
4.) Bug
5.) Randy Wagstaff
6.) Beadie's kids
7.) Elena
8.) Sherrod
9.) Namond
10.) Jimmy's kids
11.) Brianna
12.) Donette
13.) Squeak
14.) Donut
15.) Raylene Lee
16.) De'Londa

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

The serial killer plot line is entirely worth it for the scenes where Carcetti and the reporter find out about it

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Poor Donut ranking so low :smith:

I'm very glad you managed to avoid spoilers. The show certainly feels like it wrapped up while it was still strong, even if season 5 is the "weakest" and Simon clearly didn't have the distance or somebody pulling the leash on him to stop him turning the top press brass into caricatures. Watching Bubbles walk up those stairs man... :unsmith:

surf rock
Aug 12, 2007

We need more women in STEM, and by that, I mean skateboarding, television, esports, and magic.

Jerusalem posted:

Poor Donut ranking so low :smith:

Donut is kind of entertaining, but that's a very personal one for me since my mom was murdered by someone driving a stolen car recklessly.

Also, I only included characters I could remember off the dome (both their name and something about them), so I'm happy to explain any of my rankings.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

surf rock posted:

(editor's note: I included one joke ranking in the above list, see if you can find it!)

Snubbing Fuzzy Dunlop

Kazzah
Jul 15, 2011

Formerly known as
Krazyface
Hair Elf

StashAugustine posted:

The serial killer plot line is entirely worth it for the scenes where Carcetti and the reporter find out about it

"You haven't started killing them yourself, McNulty, at least assure me of that"

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

surf rock posted:

Donut is kind of entertaining, but that's a very personal one for me since my mom was murdered by someone driving a stolen car recklessly.

Ahh jeez, I'm sorry, yeah that's pretty understandable. :smith:

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!
The dude with the horse is an Arabber, someone who sells fruit from a horse-drawn cart. Baltimore is the only place that still has them in the US and they’re pretty fringe there. It’s just one of those weird, super local details The Wire drops in there and never explains because it’s the loving best.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Re: Dukie’s ending, he is basically the new Bubbles like how Michael is the new Omar

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

PostNouveau posted:

Snubbing Fuzzy Dunlop

Cranappleberry
Jan 27, 2009
The Law:
1. Donut
2. Jay Landsman

The Street:
1. Donut

The Docks:
1. Donut

Politicians:
1. Donut
2. Shyieet

School:
1. Donut

News:
1. Donut

AtraMorS
Feb 29, 2004

If at the end of a war story you feel that some tiny bit of rectitude has been salvaged from the larger waste, you have been made the victim of a very old and terrible lie

Cranappleberry posted:

The Law:
1. Donut
2. Jay Landsman

The Street:
1. Donut

The Docks:
1. Donut

Politicians:
1. Donut
2. Shyieet

School:
1. Donut

News:
1. Donut
Pastries:
1. Poot, probably.
e:1b. Landsman

AtraMorS fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Mar 6, 2024

MrMojok
Jan 28, 2011

SNOTBOOGIE

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

MrMojok posted:

SNOTBOOGIE

Eww, let's not let that guy play.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

Jerusalem posted:

Eww, let's not let that guy play.

You gots too, man.

Poot and slim charles ranked awfully low there

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Slim's "problem" is that he's a sentimental motherfucker (thank God)

ilmucche posted:

You gots too, man.

Why?

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016

this America man

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Where are we ranking Jay Landsman’s endless stack of porno mags

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Cheese is awfully high on the list for a cadaverous motherfucker.

Ithle01
May 28, 2013

Alhazred posted:

Cheese is awfully high on the list for a cadaverous motherfucker.

Cheese getting what he deserves is one of my favorite moments in the last episode and why Slim Charles should be ranked higher.

Also, Poot is looking a little too low on that list.

bucketybuck
Apr 8, 2012

ilmucche posted:

Poot is kind of a weird character. The scene of him in foot locker makes it seem like nothing that happened or he did affected him at all. It was just part of growing up and completely normal to him.

Totally consistent for Poot though, because he was the hardest gangster on the street.

Remember when Brandon got tortured in season one and put on display as a message to Omar? Seeing that body traumatised Wallace so badly it eventually led to his own death.

But Poot was there in that reveal scene of the body, hanging out a window laughing his rear end off at McNulty getting spooked by the dog. That death and body didn't leave a single mark on Poot, even though he was there when Brandon was captured.

Poot never gave a drat about anything, there are hundreds of examples of how centered he was.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Ithle01 posted:

Cheese getting what he deserves is one of my favorite moments in the last episode and why Slim Charles should be ranked higher.

Also, Poot is looking a little too low on that list.

"Sentimental motherfucker cost us money!"

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


bucketybuck posted:

Poot never gave a drat about anything, there are hundreds of examples of how centered he was.

and yet his tragic flaw was that he was too ignorant to have the motherfuckin floor

surf rock
Aug 12, 2007

We need more women in STEM, and by that, I mean skateboarding, television, esports, and magic.

PostNouveau posted:

Snubbing Fuzzy Dunlop

:colbert: Fuzzy Dunlop was a CI from the street, not part of the law.

Actual answer: putting Sydnor (and Diet Sydnor: Dozerman) dead-center in the law rankings. Perfectly lukewarm, that's Sydnor.

Xiahou Dun posted:

The dude with the horse is an Arabber, someone who sells fruit from a horse-drawn cart. Baltimore is the only place that still has them in the US and they’re pretty fringe there. It’s just one of those weird, super local details The Wire drops in there and never explains because it’s the loving best.

That's awesome.

FlamingLiberal posted:

Re: Dukie’s ending, he is basically the new Bubbles like how Michael is the new Omar

:smith: ...but that means there is still hope for him :unsmith:

Ithle01 posted:

Cheese getting what he deserves is one of my favorite moments in the last episode and why Slim Charles should be ranked higher.

Also, Poot is looking a little too low on that list.

Cheese's death was hilarious. I missed that Slim Charles did it.

People here are so wild for Poot; I thought there would be something this season to justify it but I guess it's just a meme. What I remember about Poot: awful name, wore lovely polo shirts, pushed Bodie over the edge to kill Wallace, sucked at running the pit, fled Bodie's death on the corner, worked at Footlocker. Terrible.

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016

surf rock posted:

People here are so wild for Poot; I thought there would be something this season to justify it but I guess it's just a meme. What I remember about Poot: awful name, wore lovely polo shirts, pushed Bodie over the edge to kill Wallace, sucked at running the pit, fled Bodie's death on the corner, worked at Footlocker. Terrible.

Wallace's ticket was punched and they were the ones tasked to do it. They didn't really have a say in the matter. The only other option Bodie and Poot would have had would be to straight up abandon their lives and leave Baltimore, which is apparently an impossible task even for people who are otherwise doomed (Old Face Andre, Wallace)

Cranappleberry
Jan 27, 2009
probably been mentioned before but Isiah Whitlock Jr. owns the catchphrase shyieet and does it in basically any film or show he's in. Did it in blackkklansman. He's even got a website selling merch.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

bucketybuck posted:

Totally consistent for Poot though, because he was the hardest gangster on the street.

Remember when Brandon got tortured in season one and put on display as a message to Omar? Seeing that body traumatised Wallace so badly it eventually led to his own death.

But Poot was there in that reveal scene of the body, hanging out a window laughing his rear end off at McNulty getting spooked by the dog. That death and body didn't leave a single mark on Poot, even though he was there when Brandon was captured.

Poot never gave a drat about anything, there are hundreds of examples of how centered he was.

Yeah poot just rolled with all of it.

"Do the chair know we're gonna look like some punk rear end bitches out there?"

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


God Hole posted:

Wallace's ticket was punched and they were the ones tasked to do it. They didn't really have a say in the matter. The only other option Bodie and Poot would have had would be to straight up abandon their lives and leave Baltimore, which is apparently an impossible task even for people who are otherwise doomed (Old Face Andre, Wallace)

Yeah I never really read that scene as Poot being the one to push Bodie into doing it; Bodie wanted to be a soldier and killing Wallace was his big test, I think it would have gone the same either way.

Cranappleberry
Jan 27, 2009
funny thing is if bodie had joined up w/marlo he would have ended up way higher up in the org and better-paid than w/avon and stringer. Marlo recognizes and cultivates talent. That's good management.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


The performance management is brutal though

bucketybuck
Apr 8, 2012

Ainsley McTree posted:

Yeah I never really read that scene as Poot being the one to push Bodie into doing it; Bodie wanted to be a soldier and killing Wallace was his big test, I think it would have gone the same either way.

Poot didn't even have to be there, and he didn't have to shoot Wallace, it was Bodie that Stringer gave the job to.

Bodie had already shot Wallace, there was no need for Poot to take the gun from Bodie and put a few more rounds into him.

So Poot wasn't pushing Bodie to do the job, but since it had to be done he decided to stand by Bodie and share the blame.

surf rock
Aug 12, 2007

We need more women in STEM, and by that, I mean skateboarding, television, esports, and magic.
Wallace's death is the least of my criticisms in that list, but rewatching the scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hor_gOBU_GU

- Poot initially covers for Wallace before this, and he's slowplaying things at the start as Bodie pushes to do the job; this is the most sympathetic Poot ever gets IMO
- Bodie pulls the gun, but his hand is already shaking. Wallace pleads for his life and Bodie really starts hesitating. Poot yells "DO IT GODDAMMIT" and Bodie fires.
- Wallace is alive and audibly suffering so Poot fires a couple more rounds. That part feels more like a mercy kill to me.

My point is just that Bodie seemed like he was losing steam up until Poot yelled at him to go through with it.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Like I clearly felt that Dukie’s ending was not a good place for him. Maybe he makes it off the street, but we saw other addicts throughout the series that didn’t.

At least with Michael it was pretty clear he was going to end up in some kind of position of violence, but Dukie had the best chance to get off the streets with the help from Prez and still got dragged down.

Randy is the most tragic because a lot of what happens to him is completely out of his hands, and all indication is that he is just going to end up bouncing in and out of the system most of his life.

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

bucketybuck posted:

Poot didn't even have to be there, and he didn't have to shoot Wallace, it was Bodie that Stringer gave the job to.

Bodie had already shot Wallace, there was no need for Poot to take the gun from Bodie and put a few more rounds into him.

So Poot wasn't pushing Bodie to do the job, but since it had to be done he decided to stand by Bodie and share the blame.

Poot realised his friend that he spent hours on the phone with was suffering and going to die so he took the gun from Bodie and put him out of his misery.

Poot didn't have to do that but the alternative was watching Wallace slowly bleed out over who knows how long or leave and Wallace still suffers like hell, and maybe doesn't even die

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


FlamingLiberal posted:

Like I clearly felt that Dukie’s ending was not a good place for him. Maybe he makes it off the street, but we saw other addicts throughout the series that didn’t.


Yeah it's tempting to say "Dukie is the new bubbles" and I certainly did that too, but....there are more addicts than bubbles and most of them didn't get heroic journeys with satisfying endings, if we're being realistic (about a fictional character), his outlook is not good

PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

ilmucche posted:

Poot realised his friend that he spent hours on the phone with was suffering and going to die so he took the gun from Bodie and put him out of his misery.

Poot didn't have to do that but the alternative was watching Wallace slowly bleed out over who knows how long or leave and Wallace still suffers like hell, and maybe doesn't even die

Even Poot shouting for Bodie to shoot him felt like Poot realizing it was cruel to draw it out and it had to end with Wallace dead.

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escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming

surf rock posted:

Donut is kind of entertaining, but that's a very personal one for me since my mom was murdered by someone driving a stolen car recklessly.
Hugs.

Xiahou Dun posted:

The dude with the horse is an Arabber, someone who sells fruit from a horse-drawn cart. Baltimore is the only place that still has them in the US and they’re pretty fringe there. It’s just one of those weird, super local details The Wire drops in there and never explains because it’s the loving best.
I learned this word because the Arabber, well, plays an important role in Homicide (both the TV show and the book)





BTW - I started doing a rewatch of Homicide. Anyone down to do that? the DVD was recently re-released, so those it's not on streaming services, it is finally available for purchase. There's also other ways to get it. I have HBO Max too so theoretically I could do those Deadwood writeups soon...

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