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Tree Bucket posted:Why did the Harko soldiers keep offering Rabban advice, when it invariably resulted in him snapping their necks? Is the officer-murder a recent thing caused by the stress of the war, and he'd been an okay boss til then? Those are Mentats, I think. They're doing all the calculations a regular computer would do but those are illegal. I Greyhound posted:Also the Dune Encylopedia (published early 80's by Frank Herbert) adds that the wet-plant conservatory was added by a governor at the time for his wife who was homesick for her planet Humidis. That sounds like something JK Rowling would write.
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Frank Herbert didn't write the encyclopedia, he just reviewed it and approved it with his imprimatur.
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Yadoppsi posted:Frank Herbert didn't write the encyclopedia, he just reviewed it and approved it with his imprimatur. Look, I don't know what imprimatur means, so I'm assuming it's a pale hairless man who chants while spellchecking manuscripts at superhuman speed
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I Greyhound posted:Also the Dune Encylopedia (published early 80's by Frank Herbert) adds that the wet-plant conservatory was added by a governor at the time for his wife who was homesick for her planet Humidis. How silly to make on Dune, the desert planet. Leto II canonically mocks the Ixians for not knowing they named their planet and civilization after a misunderstanding of Roman numerals.
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Yadoppsi posted:imprimatur. is thta word in the encyclopedia
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Those are Mentats, I think. They're doing all the calculations a regular computer would do but those are illegal. Makes sense. I thought mentats would look different, but i forgot that Piter looked fairly Harkonnen-ish
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Alan Smithee posted:is thta word in the encyclopedia Maybe in the section about the Emperor approving the publishing of the Orange Catholic Bible. I thought SA was full of over-educated computer touchers; has no-one read John Walker's "The Digital Imprimatur?"
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Yadoppsi posted:Maybe in the section about the Emperor approving the publishing of the Orange Catholic Bible. I thought SA was full of over-educated computer touchers; has no-one read John Walker's "The Digital Imprimatur?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msKI1T9i710&t=2s
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Tree Bucket posted:Makes sense. I thought mentats would look different, but i forgot that Piter looked fairly Harkonnen-ish 
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Its funny because Two of Brad Dourif's greatest fantasy characters are: A toady-like guy with huge eyebrows. and A toady-like guy with no eyebrows.
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What movie is the latter from?
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Shageletic posted:What movie is the latter from? he was Wormtongue, LoTR.
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fuckingtest posted:Its funny because Two of Brad Dourif's greatest fantasy characters are: Nobody with good eyebrows needs to be justified.
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uber_stoat posted:he was Wormtongue, LoTR. Oh poo poo thanks for reminding me
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I thought it was a weird way to describe Chucky lol
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From Grima Wormtongue to Schemer Caterpillarbrow
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https://twitter.com/moschinodorito/status/1765198725658358252 Lmao, this movie giving Star Wars fans existential crises.
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I Greyhound posted:Also the Dune Encylopedia (published early 80's by Frank Herbert) adds that the wet-plant conservatory was added by a governor at the time for his wife who was homesick for her planet Humidis. old uncle frank going off about his damp boxes again
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khwarezm posted:https://twitter.com/moschinodorito/status/1765198725658358252 The weird part of this tweet is that of all the things you can accuse Star Wars of stealing from Dune, it's swords (for poo poo obviously inspired by Samurai, like Darth Vader is just a big rear end space samurai) and Darth Maul who... has literally nothing in common with Feyd? At least point out the Scarlac
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ImpAtom posted:The weird part of this tweet is that of all the things you can accuse Star Wars of stealing from Dune, it's swords (for poo poo obviously inspired by Samurai, like Darth Vader is just a big rear end space samurai) and Darth Maul who... has literally nothing in common with Feyd? I do think people have consistently turned a blind to how much Dune has had such a huge influence on Sci-Fi and Star Wars in particular, but yeah most of this is a reach. For this its more to do with the shock of seeing grand epic sci-fi not be corny schlock.
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Jar Jar Binks is just Rabban
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Also like the whole point of Star Wars is to rip off other movies. It's a Samurai movie with ww2 fighters in space and that what we love it for
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khwarezm posted:https://twitter.com/moschinodorito/status/1765198725658358252 inshallah
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khwarezm posted:I do think people have consistently turned a blind to how much Dune has had such a huge influence on Sci-Fi and Star Wars in particular, but yeah most of this is a reach. Oh yeah, I mean Tatooine exists because Lucas liked Dune and you can trace a lot of that right back to him, arguably even stuff like Jabba basically being Knockoff Baron Harkonnen/'Spice' being the drug/etc. Just that's the oddest selection of stuff.
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Rabban in part two seemed like an incompetent Darth Vader
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ImpAtom posted:Oh yeah, I mean Tatooine exists because Lucas liked Dune and you can trace a lot of that right back to him, arguably even stuff like Jabba basically being Knockoff Baron Harkonnen/'Spice' being the drug/etc. Just that's the oddest selection of stuff. The Jedi are also like a much simpler and easy to digest Bene Gesserit in various ways.
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khwarezm posted:The Jedi are also like a much simpler and easy to digest Bene Gesserit in various ways. Very possibly, though they fill enough classic niches that I can also just imagine him going SPACE WIZARDS. Though honestly by Episode 1 they feel more Bene Gesserit with Midiclorians and weird breeding rules and poo poo.
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khwarezm posted:The Jedi are also like a much simpler and easy to digest Bene Gesserit in various ways. never really thought about it but Jedi even have the Voice!
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The Jedi of course are also representative of a lot of the orientalised western views on 'Eastern philosophy' that was popular in the 70s and 80s, another influence from Samurai movies too probably. And also the general proclivity of sci-fi from the era to have tons of telepathy and telekinesis for some reason.
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Most of the commentary on the origin of the Jedi that I've seen points to the Lensmen from the E. E. "Doc" Smith pulp novel series. Lightly-regulated cops with psychic powers, roaming the galaxy looking to right wrongs and protect civilization. You may also recognize that description as the backdrop of the modern Green Lantern comic book setting - the Lensman books were very influential on stuff that came after them. The laser swords and swordfights are from Lucas' beloved Kurosawa samurai movies, the Force is from 1960s-70s California hippie understanding of Zen Buddhism. e: reading the wikipedia page on Lensman, I see a key plot element is "The Eddorians do not detect the Arisians, who begin a covert breeding program on every world that can produce intelligent life, with particular emphasis on the four planets Earth (Tellus), Velantia III, Rigel IV, and Palain VII, in the hope of creating a race that is capable of destroying the Eddorians. Triplanetary incorporates the early history of that breeding program on Earth, illustrated with the lives of several warriors and soldiers, from ancient times to the discovery of the first interstellar space drive." A secret breeding program to create psychic super-beings that runs across thousands of years, you say? 
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science fiction is not allowed to have science in it. egan put it that way, but the root of it is because it's an inheritor of the gothic novel. first basically unquestionably scifi thing was frankenstein, which stemmed from a ghost story competition lord byron hosted where mary shelley wrote the beginnings of it. mary shelley had percy shelley (her husband)'s heart on her desk when she was writing, she was a Most Absurdly Goth woman. she had a lot of cause, she had 4 kids and only 1 lived gothic novels are fundamentally upon the intrusion of the past upon the present. therefore, medievalism. therefore, the supernatural. therefore, superstition. bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Mar 6, 2024 |
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Lensmen is absolutely one of those Insanely Influential But Basically Forgotten series, yeah." edit: It's also one I could not give a shiiiiiiit about when I tried to read.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:science fiction is not allowed to have science in it. egan put it that way, but the root of it is because it's an inheritor of the gothic novel. first basically unquestionably scifi thing was frankenstein, which stemmed from a ghost story competition lord byron hosted where mary shelley wrote the beginnings of it. mary shelley had percy shelley (her husband)'s heart on her desk when she was writing, she was a Most Absurdly Goth woman. she had a lot of cause, she had 4 kids and only 1 lived agreed w/r/t Frankstein and mary shelley being goth AF disagree that science fiction isn't allowed to have science in it, or that its all goth at heart. P. much anything Jules Verne wrote would qualify as hard science fiction
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Good soup! posted:Jar Jar Binks is just Rabban Count Hasimir Fenring
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Anne Frank Funk posted:Count Hasimir Fenring I always forget about him! But i guess that's his whole deal.
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My question is, if Anakin’s life is a Christ narrative, what does that make Obi Wan? He makes for a very peculiar character to feature in an apocryphal gospel.
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