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Docjowles posted:I thought that was supposed to be JJ. Not that it will matter when he gets drafted by Denver or a post-Cousins Minnesota or something and has to start week 1 The ultimate what if is What If he got traded up for? Properly sat.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Definitely be skeptical of an LSU transfer QB having a breakout year after a middling college career up until that point, especially when paired with two top flight receivers. When has that ever worked out? Burrow didn't have 4 years of college experience starting prior. He just never got a chance to start until LSU, and then yeah his second year getting real starting reps he loving exploded. Maye isn't just a big arm though. His statistical profile is so much better than Levis' it's funny. But shrug. We'll see. Like I said, I could be wrong obviously, I just do this poo poo for funsies, but I just don't like him as much as others seem to. Especially because like a number of the things that people praise him for(pocket presence, protecting himself) are things that like both the numbers and my eyes tell me he's not great at. Dexo fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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It's funny that Kelly was spirit bomb lending energy to Daniels' Heisman campaign and still couldn't replicate Burrows production
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Mar 7, 2024 02:21
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This is where I am right now.
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Doltos posted:It's funny that Kelly was spirit bomb lending energy to Daniels' Heisman campaign and still couldn't replicate Burrows production Justin Jefferson and Ja'Marr Chase, with Terrance Marshall, CEH, and Thaddeus Moss is a cheat code for success. But Burrow was also a cheat code.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:
I’m sure I’ve posted this already but I hate the Pats trading back. They go from a poo poo team to a poo poo team with… probably a strong left tackle? I guess if the Vikings want to give you an insane haul in future years you entertain. But passing on the caliber of guy available at 3 is tough Signing some scrub QB and tanking for another top pick seems like a tough sell for a bunch of dudes eager to step out of Bill’s shadow. Even if it’s maybe the proper emotionless Madden strat
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Docjowles posted:I’m sure I’ve posted this already but I hate the Pats trading back. They go from a poo poo team to a poo poo team with… probably a strong left tackle? I guess if the Vikings want to give you an insane haul in future years you entertain. But passing on the caliber of guy available at 3 is tough Kwesi tried to trade the farm for Anthony Richardson. I wonder what he will do for Maye or Daniels.
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How much is made of age in the draft? Like how important is it that Maye and McCarthy are 21 compared to Daniels and Penix at 23 or Nix at 24? Like of course the latter put up bigger numbers and look better but shouldn't the former have more room for growth? I don't watch enough college to know much about these guys specifically, but generally does the older guy have to be that much better than the kid? Unless a guy's like 25 or something it doesn't seem to get mentioned much. I follow the NHL draft more and there they seem to have prospect aging curves down pretty good. Like if you're looking at prospects in Canadian Juniors (league for 17-20 year olds) then everyone knows that someone who's holding down playing time and giving a respectable performance is a prospect worth looking at while his 20 year old teammate putting up MVP numbers can probably be ignored since if he was any good he'd have turned pro already. Obviously there's late bloomers and guys who peak early, but there aren't many stars that don't get identified and snapped up at the earliest opportunity.
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Doltos posted:It's funny that Kelly was spirit bomb lending energy to Daniels' Heisman campaign and still couldn't replicate Burrows production Burrow didn’t really sit much either. He averaged 35 attempts per game and threw it 38 times against Utah State, a game they won 42-6. But I agree that he loving rules and the world will never see his like again.
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pseudodragon posted:How much is made of age in the draft? Like how important is it that Maye and McCarthy are 21 compared to Daniels and Penix at 23 or Nix at 24? Like of course the latter put up bigger numbers and look better but shouldn't the former have more room for growth? I don't watch enough college to know much about these guys specifically, but generally does the older guy have to be that much better than the kid? Unless a guy's like 25 or something it doesn't seem to get mentioned much. I don't think age matters much, other than the discussion of sitting a prospect and waiting. Penix, Hartman, and Nix are going to come in with a ton of reps and know how to work schemes very easily, similar to what Brock Purdy did. My Packers drafted an old(ish) Sean Clifford, and he immediately won the QB2 job because he had experience.
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Daniels had to play a lot because they had a dog poo poo defense and they needed to score drat near 50 points to be ahead comfortably. They had like 2 blowouts.
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pseudodragon posted:How much is made of age in the draft? Like how important is it that Maye and McCarthy are 21 compared to Daniels and Penix at 23 or Nix at 24? Like of course the latter put up bigger numbers and look better but shouldn't the former have more room for growth? I don't watch enough college to know much about these guys specifically, but generally does the older guy have to be that much better than the kid? Unless a guy's like 25 or something it doesn't seem to get mentioned much. Age tends to matter far far more to NFL teams than they do to draft prognosticators. Less so at QB, because that position is just so loving unique and hard to scout. But older dudes who do almost always tend to fall in the draft lower than most Draft prognosticators think a player should fall. How much it actually matters, I dunno, that'd require a poo poo load of statistical work
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We'll have to see how the actual draft plays out, but I'm pretty sure if McCarthy was a 24 year old 5th year senior and played the exact same he would not be getting first round hype It's also another big difference between Lamar and Daniels, Lamar was extremely young when he was drafted
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Who is the historical NFL equivalent of David Robinson, a super old rookie that was still awesome? Especially for someone not a QB (Kurt Warner)
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Age matters for Nix, dudes looks like he's 40. Body is gonna start falling apart any day.
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pseudodragon posted:How much is made of age in the draft? Like how important is it that Maye and McCarthy are 21 compared to Daniels and Penix at 23 or Nix at 24? Like of course the latter put up bigger numbers and look better but shouldn't the former have more room for growth? I don't watch enough college to know much about these guys specifically, but generally does the older guy have to be that much better than the kid? Unless a guy's like 25 or something it doesn't seem to get mentioned much. A lot. Some positions it matters more than others, but in general it's a significant weighting. Old WR's, LBs, and DB's because they're just savvier. Better understanding of routes and more refined nuances, better diagnosis and understanding of the position. Linemen on both sides that extra physical development matters a lot. TEs all of the above. In practice what this means is that they're both closer to the peak of what you can envision them being and that in the NFL those extra advantages they had in college are going to be minimized. Right now we're still in COVID time, so it's graded on a curve and a lot of times you'll be watching film and be like this guy looks refined and look him and up see that he's 37. I think a good case study this year is Braden Fiske. Elite athlete and motor for days, but what comes across again and again on tape is he just doesn't have the power to be a reliably disruptive presence in either the run or pass game. He will absolutely disrupt plays, but it's athleticism, eye discipline, and tenacity. He's also 24. You like the package and maybe you can get some more muscle on him, but how much are you going to add to a 24 year old? In Fiske's case that's more of an open question because he only had the one year at top tier program, but it's still a concern. This also matters more the earlier in the draft you are. Rounds one and two it a bigger weight than it is in round 6, because at that point you'll take as many boxes as you check, but it's also a result of older guys getting pushed down the board. Also when when we're talking NFL draft old we're typically talking 23-24 year olds.
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If I want someone that gets plugged in and played along OL or DL rookie year usually I'd want older prospects simply because they're bigger already. If someone is 24/25 and still can't play football then that's a big red flag to me, IE Joe Milton or Bo Nix. Most players don't last past their rookie deal either through injury or being outclassed. Because of that I don't really care about age unless it's egregiously old.
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What's the deal with Joe Milton? A friend of mine was talking about how he'd be a day 2 QB at worst if he had better receivers instead of solidly in day 3, so I watched some highlights and man that arm pops. Saw a couple casual flicks somehow go 50 yards in the air and a back foot throw that went like 35-40.
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IcePhoenix posted:What's the deal with Joe Milton? A friend of mine was talking about how he'd be a day 2 QB at worst if he had better receivers instead of solidly in day 3, so I watched some highlights and man that arm pops. Saw a couple casual flicks somehow go 50 yards in the air and a back foot throw that went like 35-40. He sucks at everything else. He should be used for Hail Marys only.
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IcePhoenix posted:What's the deal with Joe Milton? A friend of mine was talking about how he'd be a day 2 QB at worst if he had better receivers instead of solidly in day 3, so I watched some highlights and man that arm pops. Saw a couple casual flicks somehow go 50 yards in the air and a back foot throw that went like 35-40. he has incredible measurables and metrics but has lovely execution when it counts. he protected the ball well last year, tennessee has for all of josh heupel's time, but he often cannot put touch on the ball in the moment and cannot layer correctly enough. tennessee has also had a really good OL, so that helps. it's true that hyatt and tillman were gone and bru mccoy got hurt this past year, but joe was not hitting the receivers he did have, and if he did, it was at 85 mph so they couldn't handle it. tennessee's offense was basically running 55+% of the time and jailbreak screens because joe was not hendon hooker. that being said, he's by all counts a good person, a great teammate and has all the ingredients, he just cannot put it together in the game.
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Dexo posted:He does not stay calm under pressure. That man only throws the ball 50% of the time time when he faces pressure. Everything else is either a Sack or running the Ball. Has a ~25% pressure to sack rate(Fields was 24, Sam Howell was 27) where are these stats from? And your later post of average depth of target? I am interested in this content
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Mentally preparing myself for the Giants passing on elite WR and OL talent to sit at 6 and draft JJ McCarthy and I gotta say it is a pretty lovely headspace to be in right now
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Iodised QQ posted:Mentally preparing myself for the Giants passing on elite WR and OL talent to sit at 6 and draft JJ McCarthy and I gotta say it is a pretty lovely headspace to be in right now Brother, take solace in the fact that it can always get worse.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:where are these stats from? I pay for PFF. Their overall Grade is whatever(seriously it's very very funny how that thing works for like corners, and OL), which gets all the public noise and ire. But their like actual back-end stats and metrics are great.
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Diva Cupcake posted:The Chris Simms QB Rankings are out. Chris simms is my number one ranked QB who styles himself to look like a neonazi
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This rules. I hope he's able to continue playing, he was so fun to watch the past 2 years. He might never be a starter but he could be a good backup potentially. https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1765763981757563357?s=20
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Dexo posted:I pay for PFF. Can you link me a picture of them giving Chop Robinson a 72.2 for the Michigan game I need that to stay relevant on tik tok
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Doltos posted:Can you link me a picture of them giving Chop Robinson a 72.2 for the Michigan game I need that to stay relevant on tik tok 
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ty sir
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trevorreznik posted:Who is the historical NFL equivalent of David Robinson, a super old rookie that was still awesome? Especially for someone not a QB (Kurt Warner) Roger Staubach?
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E: nm
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terence newman wasn't on that level but he was very good for a time and came into the league at 25. i guess that's not the answer at all since he wasn't as good as you're asking for. well, i hope you liked hearing about this one
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Mike Anderson was 27 as a rookie and rushed for like 1500 yards and 15 TDs. He went downhill pretty fast but so do most RBs.
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sean10mm posted:Roger Staubach? Well I feel dumb considering they were both Navy. But QB makes it a bit different. Cavauro posted:terence newman wasn't on that level but he was very good for a time and came into the league at 25. i guess that's not the answer at all since he wasn't as good as you're asking for. well, i hope you liked hearing about this one Nah that's a legit choice since he was a real high pick and stayed good for a real long time. Diva Cupcake posted:Mike Anderson was 27 as a rookie and rushed for like 1500 yards and 15 TDs. He went downhill pretty fast but so do most RBs. I had no idea he was that old, wow.
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Not quite the same, but Raheem Mostert bounced around the league for years before finally catching on with the Niners at age like 27, which is how he was able to rush for like 1100 yards and 25 TDs at age 31 when most RBs are falling apart.
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sean10mm posted:Roger Staubach? this was my first thought too but he only started like three games in his first two years in the NFL
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Warren Moon was also like 28.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Warren Moon was also like 28. But not because he was doing Patriotic Naval Duty, but instead was a turncoat for the perfidious canuck
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