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LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

Arzaac posted:

Genuinely it's why Slay the Spire's Neow bonus is such a good mechanic. It's random each time, gives you a nice little bonus for the run, and disincentivizes restarts because you get a weaker bonus if you don't at least reach the act 1 boss.

Here though, yeah, sometimes I just hit the R button even if I'm not losing, just because my ante 1/2 was a little weak and I could try for something better.

The nice little bonus in Balatro's case should be the Coupon Tag offered in the first blind. That's the one I hold R for every time. I'll at least attempt a run if I get free jokers and packs after I play the first big blind.

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deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

LifeLynx posted:

The nice little bonus in Balatro's case should be the Coupon Tag offered in the first blind. That's the one I hold R for every time. I'll at least attempt a run if I get free jokers and packs after I play the first big blind.

That seems like it would be a good compromise :hai: having early jokers that aren't relevant to your deck would work as a crutch to get through early antes if you didn't have to spend your limited cash on them. Or maybe just give a couple random common jokers with $0 sale value at the start of a new run if you reached ante 3 in your last run, or something

quiggy
Aug 7, 2010

[in Russian] Oof.


Give a free common joker at the start of the run if you cleared the first ante last game imo

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer

quiggy posted:

Give a free common joker at the start of the run if you cleared the first ante last game imo

Or a free planet card for your most played hand of the first ante if you want to make it a little more consistent.

Zurai
Feb 13, 2012


Wait -- I haven't even voted in this game yet!

quiggy posted:

Give a free common joker at the start of the run if you cleared the first ante last game imo

Just give the actual "Joker" joker for free at the start. The +4 mult and nothing else one. That will at least give you a little bit to build off of and help survive the first 2 antes until you have time to build an actual engine. At the same time, it's not something that would ever be part of your build for the final couple of antes because it's too weak, and it only sells for $1 so it doesn't offer a significant advantage that way either.

Relyssa
Jul 29, 2012



Zurai posted:

Just give the actual "Joker" joker for free at the start. The +4 mult and nothing else one. That will at least give you a little bit to build off of and help survive the first 2 antes until you have time to build an actual engine. At the same time, it's not something that would ever be part of your build for the final couple of antes because it's too weak, and it only sells for $1 so it doesn't offer a significant advantage that way either.

This is an extremely good idea. Start every single run with it, it's enough to get off the ground even in the worst case scenarios.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

Zurai posted:

Just give the actual "Joker" joker for free at the start. The +4 mult and nothing else one. That will at least give you a little bit to build off of and help survive the first 2 antes until you have time to build an actual engine. At the same time, it's not something that would ever be part of your build for the final couple of antes because it's too weak, and it only sells for $1 so it doesn't offer a significant advantage that way either.

Do this and then replace the -1 handsize penalty for gold stake with "no free starting joker."

Veryslightlymad
Jun 3, 2007

I fight with
my brain
and with an
underlying
hatred of the
Erebonian
Noble Faction

Irony Be My Shield posted:

I kindof wish card removal was a more common mechanic in general so there could be more emphasis on pruning your deck into something that can produce good hands. Seems like the better strategy is usually to just amass a constant combination of +chips/+mult/*mult on jokers so you don't care too much about what hand you're playing.

A relative lack of deck pruning is the main reason why Balatro is one of the only good deck builders.

Relyssa
Jul 29, 2012



Veryslightlymad posted:

A relative lack of deck pruning is the main reason why Balatro is one of the only good deck builders.

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business

Zurai posted:

Just give the actual "Joker" joker for free at the start. The +4 mult and nothing else one. That will at least give you a little bit to build off of and help survive the first 2 antes until you have time to build an actual engine. At the same time, it's not something that would ever be part of your build for the final couple of antes because it's too weak, and it only sells for $1 so it doesn't offer a significant advantage that way either.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

I got 11 mil in one hand and hit ante 12. I didn't make it past 300 mil :v:

Not that it matters though but is the achievement bugged? I didn't hit it, but it relied on card sharp. Does it mean your first and only hand must be 1 mil?

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
My new run is starting with "everythings a face card" "turn your face cards gold when played' "$5 for discarding 3 faces."

Then I got the -1ante. So I guess I'm rushing big money. Auspicious!

Reek
Nov 3, 2002

every.fucking.year.
I knew I shouldn't have tried this game, god dammit

Relyssa
Jul 29, 2012



Harold Fjord posted:

My new run is starting with "everythings a face card" "turn your face cards gold when played' "$5 for discarding 3 faces."

Then I got the -1ante. So I guess I'm rushing big money. Auspicious!

say hi to the plant for me

LifeLynx
Feb 27, 2001

Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time
Grimey Drawer

Harold Fjord posted:

My new run is starting with "everythings a face card" "turn your face cards gold when played' "$5 for discarding 3 faces."

Then I got the -1ante. So I guess I'm rushing big money. Auspicious!

I keep getting this with Vampire. Turn them gold, then Vampire bleeds them for mult. It's so good except it summons The Plant.

Elman
Oct 26, 2009

Tafferling posted:

But honestly, this doesn't hurt the game as much as it could because it's such a condensed experience compared to other card builders.

Honestly, it gets pretty bad at higher stakes. I still have fun but it's hard to get a viable run going cause sometimes you don't get decent jokers to get started (and even if you do you might not get enough to beat the high scaling). Maybe I'm bad but a lot of runs at the highest stakes seem doomed from the start.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

Elman posted:

Honestly, it gets pretty bad at higher stakes. I still have fun but it's hard to get a viable run going cause sometimes you don't get decent jokers to get started (and even if you do you might not get enough to beat the high scaling). Maybe I'm bad but a lot of runs at the highest stakes seem doomed from the start.

The only one that's inexcusable to me is gold stake. I appreciate the pressure that the other stakes add and it still usually feels like a test of my skills rather than luck; I don't think it's as finely tuned as say Slay the Spire, but I don't think it's that much worse and I can tolerate a bit more "welp you're just hosed" because of how short runs are. They do cast a harsh light on the balance between decks but there's still a decent variety of viable decks.

The gold stake penalty is just plain a bad idea. There's no pretense of being a test of skill, the sole effect is to crank the RNG up absurdly high with far less counterplay than previous stakes.

War Wizard
Jan 4, 2007

:)
Actually got a High Card deck to crawl across the finish line with the plasma deck. It lacked xMulti and was relying on steel cards that the game just didn't want to give me.

-Face cards +4 multi
-All cards are Face cards
-Face cards retrigger when scoring
-All cards score when played

3x stone 2x glass and 3x steel in hand was the best I ended up with.

This was only white stake, but I liked the combo. Made for a very lazy game.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

To be honest I like that it's varying levels of luck in challenges and stakes. It's a poker game, after all. Sometimes you win big and sometimes you get hard countered, the higher difficulties leaning more into luck seems fitting

Aipsh
Feb 17, 2006


GLUPP SHITTO FAN CLUB PRESIDENT
On a vaguely related note I’d never even hear of Northernlion before Balatro came out and then the day it’s released he’s featured several times on my YouTube Home Screen (as in I log in and it’s saying look at these six videos of his). It’s good tho, guy just has a pure talent for straight up talking

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

He's been a really big YouTuber for strategy kinda content for years

Lemon
May 22, 2003

Does the boss that debuffs all played cards affect cards that have been activated in your hand, e.g. steel cards?

'Cause I got to it and all of my steels were debuffed, and I know that I didn't play them all on the Big Blind, as half of them were in my hand at the end. It may well be that I played the other half of steels on the Small Blind, but just wondering if it's possible that the boss works that way?

Aipsh posted:

On a vaguely related note I’d never even hear of Northernlion before Balatro came out and then the day it’s released he’s featured several times on my YouTube Home Screen (as in I log in and it’s saying look at these six videos of his). It’s good tho, guy just has a pure talent for straight up talking

I saw a comment that described him as having war room meetings with himself and it really is what he does, it's pretty great.

Veryslightlymad
Jun 3, 2007

I fight with
my brain
and with an
underlying
hatred of the
Erebonian
Noble Faction
I keep pulling Gros Michel as my negative joker when I pull a negative joker tag, and I actually think the dev now owes ME a quarter of his loving profits for damages.

woke kaczynski
Jan 23, 2015

How do you do, fellow antifa?



Fun Shoe

Veryslightlymad posted:

I keep pulling Gros Michel as my negative joker when I pull a negative joker tag, and I actually think the dev now owes ME a quarter of his loving profits for damages.

On a similar note, everyone saying Wheel of Fortune is rigged clearly missed the three!!! separate times during runs last night where it proced on Popcorn, I swear it's more like a 3 in 4 chance when it has that chance to own me specifically

Nihilarian
Oct 2, 2013


Just two more jokers to unlock. Unfortunately one is a legendary and i haven't even seen a legendary since my Perkeo Observatory run

Veryslightlymad
Jun 3, 2007

I fight with
my brain
and with an
underlying
hatred of the
Erebonian
Noble Faction
I've never seen one, period.

Chadzok
Apr 25, 2002

this is gambling, son. always take the random joker or the wheel of fortune. sorry reliable performance tarots, but I have to take that chance

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

If you take it you have a chance to win. If you don't you'll never win. By not taking it you're just guaranteeing failure.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

What is the infinity sticker on some the Jokers? Never seen that before.

Unrelated, but what special hands do you need to discard or play to get certain Jokers? I just know royal flush and 5 gold cards.

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

Teriyaki Koinku posted:

What is the infinity sticker on some the Jokers? Never seen that before.

It means they're Eternal - you can't sell them or otherwise get rid of them. You start seeing them on higher stakes and in some Challenges.

quote:

Unrelated, but what special hands do you need to discard or play to get certain Jokers? I just know royal flush and 5 gold cards.

If you look up "Collection" -> "Jokers", it should show you the requirements to unlock each joker. You can also look here, if you don't mind spoiling what the jokers are.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

Teriyaki Koinku posted:

What is the infinity sticker on some the Jokers? Never seen that before.

Unrelated, but what special hands do you need to discard or play to get certain Jokers? I just know royal flush and 5 gold cards.

At black stake and up, some jokers randomly spawn as "eternal" jokers that cannot be sold or destroyed by any means. It's a double-edged sword, since it means you wind up stuck with jokers that you might have wanted to swap out later but it also means you can cheat effects that sacrifice jokers.

I'm not sure why it only appears halfway up the difficulty ladder, considering that it comes after several purely negative effects.

Nihilarian
Oct 2, 2013


You ever get to ante 10 with midas, snap pick the vampire and "every card is a face card" jokers, then realize the boss is the guy who hates face cards? And then immediately remember you bought the boss reroll after getting wrecked by him?

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
Going into the boss that only allows you to play 1 hand type

Me: "Ok just play 2 pairs and you should be able to get thru this"

Balatro Brain: plays a first hand straight flush and promptly loses

The Postman
May 12, 2007

i feel like a genius every time i figure out the joker order after amber acorn

Kuros
Sep 13, 2010

Oh look, the consequences of my prior actions are finally catching up to me.


And I had enough money to fund this.

faantastic
Dec 31, 2006

that dude.

Nihilarian posted:

You ever get to ante 10 with midas, snap pick the vampire and "every card is a face card" jokers, then realize the boss is the guy who hates face cards? And then immediately remember you bought the boss reroll after getting wrecked by him?

I could use an in game option that yells at you for making a dumb obvious mistake. It's probably ten percent of my games I lose because I don't notice it's boss time.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer
I've never seen a Cavendish

War Wizard
Jan 4, 2007

:)
Game needs an undo button that costs $10 to use.

MagicBoots
Mar 29, 2010

How about we pump the atmosphere full of methane?
You put me on Cargo handling optimization?! I am the premier defense specialist in the entirety of the UN!
Don't you dare pull my funding!
You can't cut back on funding!
You will regret this!
Well that's going to be hard to beat, could have kept it going to but I played 4 queens on the loosing hand instead of 5 :(


The jokers:

MagicBoots fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Mar 7, 2024

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Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

lunar detritus posted:

Improved the calculator, now it can calculate the best* possible hand. Of course if you have too many cards it'll take longer than the heat death of the universe but y'know, the option is there. Also changed how to manually add cards to make it less cumbersome.

https://buffoonery.online?game=Even...,2K:1,1K:1,HC:1

:siren: can we get this added to the op

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