[P/I] Live Hamas

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Al!: Apr 2, 2010

lobster shirt posted:

the "internationally recognized" government of yemen still exists and probably would be thrilled to have the US try to destroy the houthis. bringing in troops through aden would still probably be difficult with anti ship missiles but it's not like storming the beach at normandy.

yeah, it would be worse

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# ? May 26, 2024 15:45

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

half the pontoons would capsize because the us hired different contractors to make the boats and the bottoms of the boats, and they didnt agree on fitting sizes

# ? Mar 7, 2024 00:47

4d3d3d: Mar 17, 2017

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1765421379711643733

# ? Mar 7, 2024 00:48

703: May 11, 2007; Contains Carbon Monoxide

Abc nightly news with a full segment on houthis missile killing 3 people on a cargo ship and how this is an escalation but no mention as to why they are attacking ships and what they want?????

# ? Mar 7, 2024 00:48

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

4d3d3d posted:

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1765421379711643733

[glances forlornly at huge pile of evidence of genocide]

# ? Mar 7, 2024 00:49

Cromulent_Chill: Apr 6, 2009

Atrocious Joe posted:

The head of the US carrier group striking Yemen is doing Imperial Star Wars roleplay

https://twitter.com/ChowdahHill/status/1765320779388932356?t=QgwJILPzJsUlUAvO8pWyYg&s=19

# ? Mar 7, 2024 00:49

Keeper Garrett: May 4, 2006; Running messages and picking pockets since 1998.

Backdoor Mayor posted:

Because this thread moves fast. Let's not forget about the hosed thought: British Israelism.

Straight up belief that English are direct descendants of the lost tribes. Therefore true claimants to Israel. It goes so far to claim that the Ark of the Covenant is in Ireland. And Egyptian carved visages of the English in Khufu.

The English are a loving blight.

Fantastic explainer to all interested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaKpI7tpryc

# ? Mar 7, 2024 00:55

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

https://twitter.com/richardzussman/status/1765512284120449515?t=FYwFcXysRjce1d5rP1S5gg&s=19

Bullying works.

As a reminder this is the former British Columbia cabinet minister who said Palestine was nothing but a "crappy piece of land with a few hundred thousand people on it".

# ? Mar 7, 2024 01:06

Nail Rat: Dec 29, 2000; You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!

Al! posted:

[glances forlornly at huge pile of evidence of genocide]

But we can't call it a genocide, that's hyperbole

# ? Mar 7, 2024 01:18

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

TeenageArchipelago posted:

Palestine does not have a monopoly on the legitimate use of force in it's borders(in the poly sci use of these terms, not any other use of them), It does not collect taxes(Israel does and redistributes these taxes back to the occupied territories), It's citizens do not have freedom of travel(internally or internationally), it does not have the right to develop its own water resources, it does not have the right to approve its own construction projects. Palestine has a right to exist as a sovereign state, but it doesn't. It is an occupied state under an apartheid ethnostate.

It very obviously does have a monopoly on the legitimate use of force within its borders, one country doing cross border raids into another or even occupying part of it doesn't stop the second country from being a state.

Hamas directly collects taxes, Israel just takes some import duties
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36274631

Palestinians can apply for a visa to eg Egypt just fine as I understand. Palestine is a state under blockade.

A state not being completely free, under occupation, does not diminish its sovereignty under international law. Heck you don't even need to be a state to have sovereignty.

# ? Mar 7, 2024 01:19

boo boo bear: Oct 1, 2009; I'm COMPLETELY OBSESSED with SEXY EGGS

703 posted:

Abc nightly news with a full segment on houthis missile killing 3 people on a cargo ship and how this is an escalation but no mention as to why they are attacking ships and what they want?????

pretty sure hbomberguy has a higher bodycount

# ? Mar 7, 2024 01:26

Vomik: Jul 29, 2003; This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Atrocious Joe posted:

The head of the US carrier group striking Yemen is doing Imperial Star Wars roleplay

https://twitter.com/ChowdahHill/status/1765320779388932356?t=QgwJILPzJsUlUAvO8pWyYg&s=19

Claim

Photograph captures an unlucky chowdah in the command room of the uss eisenhower seconds before being hit by a Qader, a medium-range anti-ship cruise missile developed by Iran, which is an upgraded version of the Noor, a copy of the Chinese C-802 missile.

Rating

Unfortunately false.

# ? Mar 7, 2024 01:28

FirstnameLastname: Jul 10, 2022

captain failed photographer who thinks bokeh is simply epic

# ? Mar 7, 2024 01:35

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

the houthis own so much

# ? Mar 7, 2024 02:34

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

is appointing the biggest reddit dork ive ever seen in the military as captain of the genocide cruise some sort of op

# ? Mar 7, 2024 02:37

How!: Oct 29, 2009

Al! posted:

is appointing the biggest reddit dork ive ever seen in the military as captain of the genocide cruise some sort of op

I wanna see his tweets when it�s sinking. Until then he can stfu

# ? Mar 7, 2024 02:49

hubris.height: Jan 6, 2005; Pork Pro

Vomik posted:

they probably aren't us citizens but forced labor from the phillipines, tbh

drat, yeah

4d3d3d posted:

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1765421379711643733

a non-nazi couldn't invent this sort of twisted munition

# ? Mar 7, 2024 02:55

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Misreading Palestine

quote:

29-11-2023 | Max Ajl

The recent period has seen the bloom of two falsehoods, stemming from the same root of irrationality, glibly ahistorical narratives, and disinterest in understanding struggles for national liberation against imperialism. One: Benjamin Netanyahu more-or-less conspired with Hamas to maintain the Palestinian national division and empowered the movement in Gaza. Two: Israel and its parasitic lobby drive America into irrational warmongering.

�The Lobby� made us do it is nothing new. It has been a cheap lie sold by the Gulf ruling classes to cover up their profitable integration into the US defence-financial umbrella, by counterintelligence funded antisemites sent to destroy the Palestine movement, by Nazis, by the US strategic professoriate like John Mearsheimer worrying about American decline, and recently in the New Left Review�s warning that support for Israel �has historically exceeded any reasonable political calculus.� (When did Marxists decide it is their job to whisper to the exterminationist class that their calculus is off?)

The �Netanyahu courted Hamas� fairy-tale is newer, an odd chimera of the older truth that Israel and the US preferred Hamas � but, seldom mentioned, also Fatah � to Marxist-led Palestinian forces in the 1980s, and the newer truth that Netanyahu made deals that had allowed Hamas some financial manoeuvring space since 2014. We may later consider the origins of each trope. For now, let us consider their content.

Israel, pound for pound, is the best investment the US has ever made. Israel is the purest expression of Western power, combining militarism, imperialism, settler colonialism, counterinsurgency, occupation, racism, instilling ideological defeat, huge profitable war-making and hi-tech development into a manticore of destruction, death, and mayhem. From Israel�s victory in the 1948-1949 war, US planners saw the country as a regional military power that could contain Arab military and political ambitions. Amidst France�s imperial sunset in the Arab region, the country aligned with Israel � trying to deliver a blow to Nasserist Egypt through the 1956 Tripartite Aggression with Britain and Israel, and armoring Zionism for its successful 1967 war against radical Arab nationalism in the frontline states. Green-lit by the US, the war left the Syrian Ba�athist fusion of Arab nationalism and Marxist-Leninism in shambles and slammed the Nasserist national development project. Israel also became a useful assassin, eliminating Arab radical luminaries from Mehdi Ben Barka to Ghassan Kanafani.

From 1970 onwards, US military aid into Israel turned the country into a unique asset: an offshore arms factory; a regional irritant to Arab peace, stability, and popular regional development; a destructive gyro of world-wide counterinsurgency; a black hole drawing in regional surpluses and devoting them to endless defensive and offensive armament, away from social-popular welfare spending and non-military development. Uniquely, the US allowed Israel to keep the military aid partially within the country, slowly and steadily building up a massive military industrial capacity. Meanwhile, US-based capital inflows accelerated, taking advantage of Israel�s highly educated workforce in the defense sector, resting upon super-exploiting the Palestinian colonial underclass in other sectors. In return, Israel armed reactionary forces world-wide: from Argentina to Brazil to Chile, helping evade Congressional restrictions on arms shipments to the Nicaraguan Contras and advanced armaments to the South African apartheid regime. On a world scale, Israel has protected the political architecture of global capitalism. And its US domestic adjunct, the Anti-Defamation League, presaged wider Zionist capitalist investment in repression by carrying out wide-ranging spying on anti-racist, anti-Zionist, Arab-American and anti-apartheid movements.

Throughout this period, the US-Israeli �Special Relationship� grew ever-more-intimate as relentless imperial proxy warfare and sanctions � from Libya to Lebanon � tarnished developmentalism, degraded republican aspirations, and often evaporated regional Marxism. Class inequalities widened as the Gulf, Egypt, and Lebanon became nodes of regional and global accumulation. The Israeli option for boosting world-wide accumulation through wars on republicanism and revolution served the US ruling class well.

The �peace process,� known as Oslo, imposed after the fall of the USSR and the encirclement of Ba�athist Iraq, sought neo-colonial neoliberalism under military occupation in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip as part of the post-Soviet attempt to crystallize �the end of history� through neutralizing or evaporating remaining sources of friction or strategic obstacles to the US project. Incoming Palestinian diaspora capital alongside a corrupt Palestinian Authority (PA) was the US�s junior partner in the state-building agenda. Israeli capital became a seamless transnational component of the US�s globalization project, with large elements in burgeoning hi-tech counterinsurgency.

Oslo was a legal vector for the growth of the political asphyxiation mechanisms of the so-called terror lists, as the US moved to post-Soviet mop-up operations. The rejectionist forces � those carrying the lion�s share of the current resistance operations, namely Hamas and Islamic Jihad, alongside the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine � were placed on terror lists, joined by remaining armed communist insurgencies in the Philippines and Colombia, and practically the state of Iran in its entirety through the listing of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps. Palestinian parties faced the death of a thousand cuts as they hemorrhaged cadre to the NGOs erected by the aid industry. Palestinian development deteriorated into an apolitical process of governance, growth, and isolated project work.

Although throughout this period the US ruling class�s coffers swelled and Israel became ever more central to global counterinsurgency, wall-building, surveillance, and policing, the US operation failed to close the Palestinian file. Armed resistance, anti-corruption, and a web of civil society welfare institutions gave Hamas the legitimacy to win the 2006 Palestinian elections. Although soon the external political wing would be wooed by the US�s most sophisticated proxy, Qatar, the military wing in the Gaza Strip remained close with its Iranian, Lebanese, and Syrian allies. Meanwhile, the IDF�s failure against Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006 set the stage for the redirection: arming, training, funding, and through the Gulf media, ideological inculcation of sectarian Sunni proxy militias meant to shatter Arab popular consensus around resistance and, since 2011, to set them loose towards the end of regional de-development and state collapse.

Those lines of division emerged openly with the 2011 US proxy war on Syria, the defection of Hamas� political leadership from Damascus to Qatar, and the US aim to gut the armed regional asymmetric resistance movements, while sanctioning and making open warfare, whether through proxy arming of the Free Syrian Army or other militia, or directly, on their state sponsors and logistical backbones � Iran and Syria.

12 years of regional warfare, 100,000s of Arabs dead, Yemeni and Syrian cities bombarded and burnt out, and four wars in the Gaza Strip � 2008/9, 2012, 2014, 2021 � led up to the October 7 attacks. Within the Gaza Strip itself, the resistance made the case to the population that they were a political externality to Saudi/Israeli/US rapprochement and normalization. That no one was going to do anything for Gaza unless they did something for themselves. That the siege was filling every horizon.

The �Netanyahu enabled Hamas� distortion rests on the correct statement that Netanyahu dealt indirectly with Hamas via Qatar and allowed the formation of a permit regime for Palestinian Gaza guest workers. This was meant to ensure relative quiet in the South. Far from Hamas collaborating with Netanyahu, or policing the ceasefire, this set-up was an achievement of the Palestinian resistance, allowing it the appearance of political stillness on its surface waters while underneath it moved fast and built up a deep defensive infrastructure. The lie is meant to suggest that Hamas� strength is due to conspiracy with Israel, when Hamas simply expresses the nationalist aspirations of the Palestinian people.

This tall tale has also suggested that Netanyahu wished to avoid direct talks with the PA in Ramallah towards a peace agreement. The lie is the implication that the neo-colonial PA is a force for state building and Palestinian sovereignty. In fact, it is the velvet � more often these days, mailed � gauntlet of neo-colonial collaboration in the West Bank, amidst PA coordination with Israel and the murder of anti-collaborationist cadre like Nizar Banat in 2021. It is also legible only against the background of Qatar�s creeping normalization with Israel and its regional agenda of a sophisticated defanging of the resistance project.

This brings us to October 7, and to examining what has developed in the popular cradle of the Gaza Strip and in the surrounding societies. Within each of them, there are growing anti-systemic or pro-sovereign militia and republican armies arrayed from Lebanon to Iraq, Yemen to Iran. As Al-Amjad Salama notes, �one of the fundamental factors we observe when examining the resistance forces across the region is the popular embrace � a form of resource mobilization,� adding that �one of the most crucial aspects of mobilization for the forces in the resistance axis is the mobilization of material resources,� especially human beings.

What is this force, these human beings, referred to in this word � resistance?

First, literally, we refer to the achievement of the poorest and most strategically disadvantaged people on the planet. Within the encircled and immiserated Gaza Strip, many of the Al-Qassam fighters are orphans. Amidst closure and de-development, the popular resistance has been able to consolidate an arsenal and bring 1.5% of its population into a guerrilla force of 30,000-40,000 men that can � man for man � outmatch nearly any in the world.

The resistance, secondly, has alloyed ideological commitment, willingness to sacrifice for their people, and technological ingenuity into armed capacity capable of going head-to-head with a nuclear power from underground tunnels, the �rear base� and physical strategic depth needed for guerilla insurgency. The concrete is their mountains. From there they have imperiled an enemy with orders of magnitude higher GDP per capita � Israeli GDP is at $52,000 a year, with arsenals worth billions.

Third, the resistance, in launching its October 7 operation, is an example to the world that post-Soviet asphyxiation and extermination procedures, sanctions and terror lists and aid-based countermeasures, could not prevent the rise of a disciplined and new national movement from raising its head to the sky.

Fourth, the popular cradle brings the word resistance beyond armed men to doctors going to their deaths in lieu of abandoning their patients and women and men in the Gaza Strip�s North � facing white phosphorus rather than abandoning their homes. It is precisely the strength of the civilian commitment to the national project that provokes US-Israeli extermination: �the �civilian� officials, including hospital administrators and school administrators, and also the entire Gaza population� are, as a result, the targets � not out of cruelty but to break Hamas by breaking its cradle.

Fifth, through these achievements, the Palestinian resistance has been able to present an acute threat to the settler-capitalist property structures called Israel, to militarized accumulation, to the world�s workshop for counterinsurgency technology, and to the entire architecture of regional repression with its associated petrodollar flows, treasury and security purchases, and arms merchandising. For capitalism is not just the smooth clockwork of accumulation through generalized commodity exchange and labor exploitation, it is the machinery of violence � its technology � which ensures the smooth running of the clock, the thingification of its human elements, the political decisions to maintain and rework the machinery of monopoly accumulation, and the waste of human lives which is increasingly the core Arab input into global capitalism.

More worryingly from the perspective of monopoly power, the Palestinian resistance is not alone. It is part of a regional populist resistance enfolding the poorest people on Earth. Yemeni GDP per capita is $677, and its 200,000 men under arms have ground to dust US/Gulf Cooperation Council mercenary armies in large portions of Yemen. They bear an explicitly anti-US and anti-Israel ideology, a considerable arsenal, substantial battlefield experience and a banner of revolutionary republicanism reminiscent of the Golden Age of Arab nationalism. Syria, at unimaginable cost, has isolated US proxy forces numbering in the hundreds of thousands at their apex, maintained state functions, and preserved logistical and material corridors for the resistance. 100,000, at least, are under arms in Hizbullah, now an elite hybrid fighting force substantially more advanced and experienced than it was in 2006.

It is unimaginable that the neocolonial authoritarian states nor their US benefactor would remotely tolerate massive working-class militia which speak a language of justice and republicanism and raise arms against those states� sponsors. In turn, it is as natural as the sun rising in the East that the US, the UK, Germany, France, and their Gulf and Arab satraps would converge on support for Israel as the spear�s tip of the assault on the surrounding Arab popular militia.

And because Israel is the keystone of the regional imperialist order � maintained not by hegemonic consensus but the brutality of Apaches and Merkavas � it is as natural as water falling from clouds that what has developed in the Gaza Strip, as soon as it mobilized politically and militarily, would incite the Western reaction to wipe it from the face of the Earth and impose unimaginable horror to terrify the Palestinian, Arab, and Third World people to never again raise their heads.

The October 7 operation has perhaps overcome the central role of the Israeli state in accumulation on a world scale: ingraining a state of defeat amongst the Arab working classes, as part-and-parcel of the post-Soviet ideological defeat imposed by capital upon labor globally. Deterrence is the form that defeat takes when pushed to the military plane, and Israel openly admits that its deterrence has been shattered.

Seen from this perspective, the risks run by the western capitalist states � their imposition of fascist regulation against freedoms of speech and assembly, their backing for genocide, their desperation to see the Palestinian armed militia wiped from the face of the Earth � is logical, reasonable, and rational in its sociopathy. It is the logic of monopoly attempting to defend itself and the consciousness which bodyguards it with fire from the sky. It is a logic which fills graveyards, and a logic which makes orphans, and it is a logic which might yet meet its end in that crossroads of continents � that salient, and city and their camps and their people.

# ? Mar 7, 2024 03:03

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

The US military would need to use Saudi to stage the SBCTs or whatever, which at this point would take a long rear end time and require the Guard be called up. There�d have to be months of workup training and exercises for individual soldiers and formations in theatre. Huge stocks of ammo and POL would have to be prepositioned, probably over months.

For the air campaign, I have no idea who would let the US use their bases and airspace but US squadrons and wing HQs would have to be moved there, again with stocks of ordnance and POL built up.

As that is happening, I imagine someone would be harassing the buildup with drones and missiles of some sort, which would make headlines at home with every casualty.

Then the US would do their typical kill everything that moves, but in a media environment where Russia�s war in Ukraine is considered the worst atrocity in recent history, and the fact that Kiev hasn�t been flattened would presumably occur to people who see US aircraft hitting Yemen�s cities night after night.

As this happens, likely even during the build up, I�m assuming the Red Sea is closed to traffic as it�s mined and missiles are used more freely. In addition, civilian aviation flying in the region would now have airspace closed over Israel, Yemen, the Red Sea and god knows where else, which is an expensive problem.

I�m sure after a year of building up in Saudi Arabia while being struck the US public is tired of the war before US ground forces even cross the border, but once they do they�ll have low level casualties from an insurgency and a war even less popular than Iraq and Afghanistan. That�s excluding whatever happens to US forces in Iraq and Syria, which probably wouldn�t be great.

Whatever Yemeni government they install would have no legitimacy and no economy, and I feel like the US appetite for delivering pallets of cash and building schools for girls is tapped out, so best case the US leaves the country something like Libya as soon as the campaign concludes.

And this is all while crises elsewhere deepen and Biden is demented. So, not great policy all around.

# ? Mar 7, 2024 03:05

I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

boo boo bear posted:

pretty sure hbomberguy has a higher bodycount

lol

# ? Mar 7, 2024 03:19

Rockstar Massacre: Mar 2, 2009; i only have a crazy life
because i make risky decisions
from a position of
unreasonable self-confidence

IIRC AnserAllah were pretty clear that any nation that stages American troops or allows Americans to use their airspace for strikes can consider themselves at war with AA, and since all the normal bootlickers who would do that are still reeling from the last asskicking it'd be a tough sell to get that directly involved.

# ? Mar 7, 2024 03:48

NeonPunk: Dec 21, 2020

SA stopped fighting with the Houthi when they successfully launched some drones to their refinery. They absolutely won't risk fighting them because they know they can just easily destroy their entire oil infrastructure in one night

# ? Mar 7, 2024 03:58

Brogeoisie: Jan 12, 2005; "Look, I'm a private citizen," he said. "One thing that I don't have to do is sit here and open my kimono as it relates to how much money I make or didn't."

NeonPunk posted:

SA stopped fighting with the Houthi when they successfully launched some drones to their refinery. They absolutely won't risk fighting them because they know they can just easily destroy their entire oil infrastructure in one night

Right. Their largest refinery is right over the border in Jizan and Yemen could easily permanently destroy it. No way will they ever risk that

# ? Mar 7, 2024 04:00

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

NeonPunk posted:

SA stopped fighting with the Houthi when they successfully launched some drones to their refinery. They absolutely won't risk fighting them because they know they can just easily destroy their entire oil infrastructure in one night

lol goddamn the saudis are morons

# ? Mar 7, 2024 04:03

FuzzySlippers: Feb 6, 2009

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The US military would need to use Saudi to stage the SBCTs or whatever, which at this point would take a long rear end time and require the Guard be called up. There�d have to be months of workup training and exercises for individual soldiers and formations in theatre. Huge stocks of ammo and POL would have to be prepositioned, probably over months.

For the air campaign, I have no idea who would let the US use their bases and airspace but US squadrons and wing HQs would have to be moved there, again with stocks of ordnance and POL built up.

As that is happening, I imagine someone would be harassing the buildup with drones and missiles of some sort, which would make headlines at home with every casualty.

Then the US would do their typical kill everything that moves, but in a media environment where Russia�s war in Ukraine is considered the worst atrocity in recent history, and the fact that Kiev hasn�t been flattened would presumably occur to people who see US aircraft hitting Yemen�s cities night after night.

As this happens, likely even during the build up, I�m assuming the Red Sea is closed to traffic as it�s mined and missiles are used more freely. In addition, civilian aviation flying in the region would now have airspace closed over Israel, Yemen, the Red Sea and god knows where else, which is an expensive problem.

I�m sure after a year of building up in Saudi Arabia while being struck the US public is tired of the war before US ground forces even cross the border, but once they do they�ll have low level casualties from an insurgency and a war even less popular than Iraq and Afghanistan. That�s excluding whatever happens to US forces in Iraq and Syria, which probably wouldn�t be great.

Whatever Yemeni government they install would have no legitimacy and no economy, and I feel like the US appetite for delivering pallets of cash and building schools for girls is tapped out, so best case the US leaves the country something like Libya as soon as the campaign concludes.

And this is all while crises elsewhere deepen and Biden is demented. So, not great policy all around.

Exactly. People should not reflexively believe in the myth of US military power even while saying that its bad. Don't think of how US military power works in fiction and in montages and think about the slow grind that actually projecting military power takes no matter how many trillions you ostensibly spend. Even if the US military wasn't mostly financial scams it would still be difficult and expensive to respond militarily to events on the other side of the globe with current technology (aside from nukes on icbms assuming that in the US those haven't been turned into apps yet).

The US strength has long been more soft power and intimidation. If the countries in the region told us to gently caress off and sent troops to Gaza the most significant US response would not be in missiles, but in soft power bullshit like the IMF and intelligence service fuckery. What the corrupt oligarchs in those countries fear is losing access to their London condos, new loans for their corrupt economies, stock market investments, and swanky vacation spots while being confronted at home by US funded and equipped opposition. As the US continues to destroy its soft power capabilities in support of Ukraine eventually more countries will realize it's more bark than bite.

It's funny to think how much money and irreplaceable lostech resources the US is burning to send its navy to the Red Sea and ineffectually posture at Yemen while making awkward social media posts.

# ? Mar 7, 2024 04:18

Mandel Brotset: Jan 1, 2024

Dreylad posted:

lol goddamn the saudis are morons

capital makes you stupid

# ? Mar 7, 2024 04:32

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Raskolnikov38 posted:

it would be extremely funny if it was the wreck of the rubymar that cut the cables

DOUBLE KILL :siren:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-06/anchor-from-houthi-sunk-ship-likely-damaged-undersea-cables

quote:

The anchor of a cargo ship that was attacked by Houthi militants was the most likely cause of damage to three telecommunications cables in the Red Sea in late February, according to a subsea cable trade group that includes companies operating in the region.

�It�s generally accepted that the Rubymar dropped an anchor when fired upon and as a result it damaged cables in proximity,� said Ryan Wopschall, general manager of the International Cable Protection Committee, the group representing subsea cable operators.

# ? Mar 7, 2024 04:57

Nail Rat: Dec 29, 2000; You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!

I don't know what the odds of that are but lol

# ? Mar 7, 2024 05:01

VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Rockstar Massacre posted:

IIRC AnserAllah were pretty clear that any nation that stages American troops or allows Americans to use their airspace for strikes can consider themselves at war with AA, and since all the normal bootlickers who would do that are still reeling from the last asskicking it'd be a tough sell to get that directly involved.

Ansarallah has proven they will make good on their warnings, unlike the United States. The region would do well to heed these warnings.

# ? Mar 7, 2024 05:18

Gunshow Poophole: Sep 14, 2008; OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069; Clapping Larry

4d3d3d posted:

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1765421379711643733

Holy poo poo what the actual gently caress I thought I had seen the true depths of depraved demonic behavior but this is entirely evil

# ? Mar 7, 2024 05:20

FirstnameLastname: Jul 10, 2022

Nail Rat posted:

I don't know what the odds of that are but lol

the cables laid by ships so it's along the route ships take , makes sense

# ? Mar 7, 2024 05:22

BeanpolePeckerwood: May 4, 2004; I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK

John Charity Spring posted:

Pankaj Mishra has written an essay for the LRB about the conflation of antizionism and antisemitism. Haven't read it all yet but Mishra is pretty reliably savage on this kind of thing

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n05/pankaj-mishra/the-shoah-after-gaza

Olga Gurlukovich posted:

yeah this is good stuff

he reads it here if you are lazy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w3Pe00I_Ro

thank you for posting this

# ? Mar 7, 2024 05:41

The Voice of Labor: Apr 8, 2020

air dropped diabetes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKfWQ3Sij68

# ? Mar 7, 2024 05:54

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

sadly i am going to have to withdraw my support for the houthis my message to the houthis:-

those dogs dont deserve compensation gently caress em dont give them a loving cent

keep sinking those ships babe love you

# ? Mar 7, 2024 05:55

Bear Retrieval Unit: Nov 5, 2009; Mudslide Experiment

Al! posted:

it would be really good if it was just all isreali quotes with a single nazi quote mixed in

https://twitter.com/caissesdegreve/status/1746338374070215101/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1746338374070215101&currentTweetUser=caissesdegreve

# ? Mar 7, 2024 05:56

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

Weka posted:

A state not being completely free, under occupation, does not diminish its sovereignty under international law. Heck you don't even need to be a state to have sovereignty.

that's right.

https://www.news.com.au/national/co...762e0dc538c778b

# ? Mar 7, 2024 06:03

evilmiera: Dec 14, 2009; Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

500excf type r posted:

If you just pick Israel every time you get like 75%

Yeah it was a bit weighted, I was going by the wording and got 68 percent.

# ? Mar 7, 2024 06:12

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Israels defence minister throws in the towel, admits theres no way to defeat hamas militarily

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Israeli Defense Minister: The idea cannot be destroyed by force. We will fight it in different ways

https://x.com/ajmubasher/status/1765509307011879117?s=46

# ? Mar 7, 2024 06:37

Adenoid Dan: Mar 8, 2012; The Hobo Serenader; Lipstick Apathy

Gunshow Poophole posted:

Holy poo poo what the actual gently caress I thought I had seen the true depths of depraved demonic behavior but this is entirely evil

I think those are fuzes for land mines.

Somehow this is supposed to make it better.

evilmiera posted:

Yeah it was a bit weighted, I was going by the wording and got 68 percent.

I don't understand why there are 2 options for Israel

Adenoid Dan has issued a correction as of 06:54 on Mar 7, 2024

# ? Mar 7, 2024 06:52

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# ? May 26, 2024 15:45

Malloc Voidstar: May 7, 2007; Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/03/06/biden-rafah-attack-israel-hamas-gaza-war/ https://archive.is/GCX54

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The Biden administration, worried about a new humanitarian catastrophe, appears to be considering ways to prevent Israel from using U.S. weapons if it attacks the densely populated area around the city of Rafah.

President Biden and senior advisers haven�t made any decision about imposing �conditionality� on U.S. weapons. But the very fact that officials seem to be debating this extreme step shows the administration�s growing concern about the crisis in Gaza � and its sharp disagreement with Israeli leaders over a Rafah assault.

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The Biden administration fears that the Rafah plan is half-baked � and will worsen the disastrous situation in Gaza without ending the war. Administration officials say they�ve seen no clear plan for how to protect the more than 1 million Palestinians who have been driven toward the Rafah area along the Egyptian border by the fighting farther north.

Biden said in a February call with Netanyahu that the Rafah attack �should not proceed without a credible and executable plan for ensuring the safety of and support for the more than one million people sheltering there,� according to a White House readout. Events since have only deepened the administration�s worries that Israel doesn�t have such a plan for safely moving all these refugees and isn�t dealing adequately with the plight of Palestinian civilians overall.

Any limit on U.S. arms supplies to Israel would mark a sharp break in the relationship � and cause a political furor. A somewhat comparable situation was the 1975 move by President Gerald Ford and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to �reassess� the U.S.-Israeli relationship and propose a cut in military aid to pressure Israel to agree to a troop-withdrawal deal in Sinai after the 1973 Arab-Israeli War. Ford and Kissinger persisted in the face of intense criticism from Israel supporters; Israel eventually made concessions, and the dispute was resolved after several months.

In banning use of U.S. military aid for a Rafah assault, the administration could argue that it was taking a step similar to its understanding with Ukraine that long-range U.S. missiles can�t be used to target Russian territory.

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# ? Mar 7, 2024 07:41

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