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turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

lol the subreddit has finally reached the stalking random devs and demanding that they be fired stage of meltdown

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Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


Kly posted:

i use the gl most of the time on bug missions. theyre not bad but not great against chargers. the trick is to shoot under them aiming near their back end when theyre facing you. still takes 4-6 shots though.

Yep. Shoot underneath bugs for sure, they have soft bellehs

turn off the TV posted:

lol the subreddit has finally reached the stalking random devs and demanding that they be fired stage of meltdown

Jesus christ, please just arrest reddit

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

kaxman posted:

Ah this makes so much more sense, and is also IMO really stupid.

Not a huge fan of it either, but it's so you can't do math for how many hits you can reliably tank.

Anyone else seeing a trend in arc/flamer mains going to 1v1 every charger they see?

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


Waffle House posted:

Jesus christ, please just arrest reddit

fond memories of the time we got anderson cooper to investigate them for child pornography, and yet the site still exists

PsychoInternetHawk
Apr 4, 2011

Perhaps, if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque.
Grimey Drawer

RBA Starblade posted:

Reddit's making GBS threads its pants though

I looked after reading this comment and lol you weren't kidding, people are losing their minds. I changed my mind, this patch is great.

It does feel like some people are really struggling with "you shouldn't be able to consistently complete the hardest difficulty without terrific coordination and occasional setbacks"

Mode 7
Jul 28, 2007

The absolute histrionics going on in the game's subreddit over a set of minor balance adjustments is astonishing.

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


I hope they quit the game in disgust so the servers will be less buggy

PsychoInternetHawk
Apr 4, 2011

Perhaps, if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque.
Grimey Drawer

Jerkface posted:

Since i got the upgrade for extra eagles I've loved airstrikes\cluster\500 kg

The airstrikes close bug holes or wound\kill chargers. clusters handle so much chaff and 500 kg handle chargers\titans

worked really well. 110 pods would be pretty good too, i could definitely see replacing 500 kg with them since they'd serve the same purpose.

i think the key to running multiple eagles for me has been not being shy about using them. You wanna deplete them roughly at the same time and don't be shy about calling in rearm if there's down time

Running 3 or even 4 eagle strategems is secretly really powerful. Who needs a railgun?

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


Eediot Jedi posted:

Anyone else seeing a trend in arc/flamer mains going to 1v1 every charger they see?

Goddamnit they're the protagonists here. They're going to bare knuckle box that armored scythe-dozer TO DEATH, and if that (obviously) doesn't work they're going to neuter its entire family lineage by sheer power of complaint

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

I don't use anything they nerfed besides light armor so I haven't noticed anything different, autocannon gang stays winning :hai:

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

WarpedLichen posted:

Why do I get kicked after doing 2/3 missions of a difficulty 8 op all the time? Is it just cause the missions are long and people are taking a break after two?

I don't think I'm team killing or anything and we always succeed the first two missions?
Seemingly joke but actually serious question. Is your level lower than 20-30? Because before the patch took up most of the attention, there were plenty of shitlord threads crying that other players not level a billion are clearly leeches on their hard work who do not deserve to unlock the big boy difficulty.

That mindset would also explain how for every good team of cool "Disaster that makes it home", was a team of overall competent players literally running over green/orange samples without grabbing them If we had a level eleven or whatever player along for the ride. But that might just be basic "But I already have everything unlocked! Pushing E or taking a 200 foot detour for purples will hurt my speedrun times!" brainworms instead.

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

drat Reddit is a salt mine right now. Solid read tbh. The only downside is the devs made a post basically saying f u guys then we’re done interacting w this community lmao

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

PsychoInternetHawk posted:

It does feel like some people are really struggling with "you shouldn't be able to consistently complete the hardest difficulty without terrific coordination and occasional setbacks"

yeah i don't know what is going on there. i've seen lots of posts from people demanding that the devs stream themselves easily beating helldive missions when I'm pretty sure that the entire point is that they cannot.

PsychoInternetHawk
Apr 4, 2011

Perhaps, if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque.
Grimey Drawer
After thinking about it I think the best way to make heavy armor work would be to make it a max stamina or stamina recharge penalty rather than a speed penalty. Being unable to move faster than enemies or most attacks is too severe, you need that burst of speed.

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

Owl Inspector posted:

I don't use anything they nerfed besides light armor so I haven't noticed anything different, autocannon gang stays winning :hai:

Yeah all my crap got buffed or not touched

Make heavy armor take up a stratagem spot

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


Worf posted:

drat Reddit is a salt mine right now. Solid read tbh. The only downside is the devs made a post basically saying f u guys then we’re done interacting w this community lmao

:nice:

PsychoInternetHawk
Apr 4, 2011

Perhaps, if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque.
Grimey Drawer

Worf posted:

drat Reddit is a salt mine right now. Solid read tbh. The only downside is the devs made a post basically saying f u guys then we’re done interacting w this community lmao

Counterpoint: that rules and I'm glad the devs are making the game they want rather than letting runaway success dictate what they do.

Also lmao the devs could absolutely consistently beat Helldiver difficulty, it just requires strict coordination and prioritization.

PsychoInternetHawk fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Mar 7, 2024

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Is there a primary or a secondary that has armor pen that is decent? I'm thinking specifically about those brown armor plated shield bugs that square up on you.

I want to try the Stalwart some more, but it felt bad having trouble with those guys head on.

Worf posted:

drat Reddit is a salt mine right now. Solid read tbh. The only downside is the devs made a post basically saying f u guys then we’re done interacting w this community lmao

If that's true then good for them.

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

Internet Explorer posted:

Is there a primary or a secondary that has armor pen that is decent? I'm thinking specifically about those brown armor plated shield bugs that square up on you.

I want to try the Stalwart some more, but it felt bad having trouble with those guys head on.

Does breaker incendiary count?

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


Devs who listen to reddit tend to have their game collapse so Arrowhead's really doing themselves a favour here

BitBasher
Jun 6, 2004

You've got to know the rules before you can break 'em. Otherwise, it's no fun.


I have a video uploading of a 7 Suicide difficulty run I did with 4 pubbies. It's not cherry picked, it's the only run I've done tonight that I didn't crash on. Unfortunately the PS5 only records the last 30 minutes so It's missing the first 5 minutes of the drop which was admittedly a complete poo poo show and cost us 3 reinforcements before the video starts. The host dropped us straight into an occupied settlement so we had to kill a pile of bugs with only our default weapons. before we could even call anything in.

There were no real comms except a couple times I said something into the controller mic. All in all it was pretty typical for a level 7 IMHO. It's a decent example of ARC game play.

The group was not remotely meta, which caused us no real problems. The players ran:
Me: Orbital Railgun / Eagle Airstrike / ARC / Rover
2: Orbital Railgun / Eagle Airstrike / Shield Pack / Grenade Launcher
3: Orbital Railgun / Orbital Airburst / Rover / Laser Cannon
4: Eagle Airstrike / Eagle Cluster Bomb / Shield Pack / Laser Cannon

I was running the Liberator Penetrator primary (For no reason, I had never tried it) with the Redeemer and default grenades. Light armor with Fortified for 30% less recoil and 50% explosive resistance.

You see a couple minutes we organically split into two pairs and just supported each other for the most part. Also I totally got totally confused while carrying the SSD like an idiot and we all had moments of jackassery.

When it finishes uploading and processing it should be below. May take a couple hours. My upload sucks on COX.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnGwF96HS_E

Post Mission screen, since the video cuts off before then:


PsychoInternetHawk posted:

After thinking about it I think the best way to make heavy armor work would be to make it a max stamina or stamina recharge penalty rather than a speed penalty. Being unable to move faster than enemies or most attacks is too severe, you need that burst of speed.

Honestly I have no idea how to make heavy armor work. Stamina penalties and move speed are both kind of a death sentence against bugs. No joke.

Internet Explorer posted:

Is there a primary or a secondary that has armor pen that is decent? I'm thinking specifically about those brown armor plated shield bugs that square up on you.

Not early in the tree unfortunately. The Slugger is solid and so is the Scorcher, but the Scorcher is at the very end of the tree, plus it can kill you from blast radius up close and has low ammo issues.

BitBasher fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Mar 7, 2024

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

PsychoInternetHawk posted:

Counterpoint: that rules and I'm glad the devs are making the game they want rather than letting runaway success dictate what they do.

It rules that the developers want to interact with the community less because the community was negatively responding and being jerks ?

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Worf posted:

Does breaker incendiary count?

I dunno, does it? Can it handle those bugs head on?

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

Internet Explorer posted:

I dunno, does it? Can it handle those bugs head on?

My understanding is that fire ignores armor, so I wasn’t really sure how that would play into it honestly

I don’t have it unlocked yet to try it out

TheDeadlyShoe
Feb 14, 2014

The Slugger is pretty good and can pen medium targets targets like hive guards and Devastators. Especially devastators because it can stunlock them.

It does take some getting used to though. You aren't very mobile with it, you can't afford the scope sway most of the time. And it sucks at trash clearing bugs.

TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Mar 7, 2024

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
Eradication missions were certainly too easy but I think they may have overshot a little. I started a one solo to finish the bug kill personal order and was being chased by twenty hunters by the time all my equipment landed.

PsychoInternetHawk
Apr 4, 2011

Perhaps, if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque.
Grimey Drawer

Worf posted:

It rules that the developers want to interact with the community less because the community was negatively responding and being jerks ?

No it rules that they're not groveling and are standing by their design decisions. What reddit is doing sucks rear end but water's gonna be wet

Astrochicken
Aug 13, 2007

So you better go back to your bars, your temples
Your massage parlors!

Mode 7 posted:

The absolute histrionics going on in the game's subreddit over a set of minor balance adjustments is astonishing.

The discord was in a state earlier. Mods had to enable slowdown mode because too many people were lashing out in chat. And so for a while everybody was sending single message multiparagraph screeds. They'd scroll up unread in seconds.

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

Astrochicken posted:

The discord was in a state earlier. Mods had to enable slowdown mode because too many people were lashing out in chat. And so for a while everybody was sending single message multiparagraph screeds. They'd scroll up unread in seconds.

my managed democracy manifesto

BitBasher
Jun 6, 2004

You've got to know the rules before you can break 'em. Otherwise, it's no fun.


Internet Explorer posted:

I dunno, does it? Can it handle those bugs head on?

If it absolutely has to be head on then it's the Slugger, and then against everything but the Charger and Titan.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
I tried a couple games with the railgun, the gun is no longer the king it once was. It doesn't strip armour reliably, it doesn't headshot reliably, so you're left whiffing shots being chased like you're on difficulty 4.

:rip: the dream boys, rip the dream

kaxman
Jan 15, 2003
The environmental effects added seem pretty great, the meteor showers are magnificent. I haven't seen a firenado yet, but the earthquake things at first I was like "wtf this sucks" and then a charger was charging at me and one hit and I realized it stunned all the bugs too and I was like "oh actually this is excellent"

Anyway more effects that aren't "your cooldowns are all increased" please.

I wonder if the bubble shield can stop a meteor...

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





TheDeadlyShoe posted:

The Slugger is pretty good and can pen medium targets targets like hive guards and Devastators. Especially devastators because it can stunlock them.

It does take some getting used to though. You aren't very mobile with it, you can't afford the scope sway most of the time. And it sucks at trash clearing bugs.

BitBasher posted:

If it absolutely has to be head on then it's the Slugger, and then against everything but the Charger and Titan.

Nice! I'll check it out. Thanks for the recommendation.

Darox
Nov 10, 2012


The main thing that prevents me from enjoying difficulty 8 & 9 as much isn't the increased heavy spawns, it's that you get stuck with two negative modifiers which means a much higher chance for the boring and unfun ones like orbital scatter or increased cooldowns or scramble.
It also sucks that if you join a game mid-mission you can't seem to check what the active effects are while choosing your loadout.

Astrochicken
Aug 13, 2007

So you better go back to your bars, your temples
Your massage parlors!

Risky Bisquick posted:

I tried a couple games with the railgun, the gun is no longer the king it once was. It doesn't strip armour reliably, it doesn't headshot reliably, so you're left whiffing shots being chased like you're on difficulty 4.

:rip: the dream boys, rip the dream

Today was the first day I really made an effort with the railgun (i got hooked on the autocannon early on) so it feels powerful and it's really fun to make some of the bigger bugs go SPLAT.

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Darox posted:

The main thing that prevents me from enjoying difficulty 8 & 9 as much isn't the increased heavy spawns, it's that you get stuck with two negative modifiers which means a much higher chance for the boring and unfun ones like orbital scatter or increased cooldowns or scramble.
It also sucks that if you join a game mid-mission you can't seem to check what the active effects are while choosing your loadout.

the increased heavy spawns is all that difficulty 8 and 9 are

i feel like a lot of people just don't realize this. you are pressing the "spawn more chargers and bile titans please" button.

Darox
Nov 10, 2012


It's still crazy that nursing spitters and bile spitters are conditional spawns and only appear on certain missions. Bugs are an extremely two dimensional faction without them, it's hardly a surprise that the meta devolved to a two dimensional build to deal with them. Make Bile Spitters appear on every bug mission above difficulty 4.

turn off the TV posted:

the increased heavy spawns is all that difficulty 8 and 9 are

i feel like a lot of people just don't realize this. you are pressing the "spawn more chargers and bile titans please" button.

No it isn't.
On difficulty 7 you get one negative operation modifier (Increased calldown delay, Orbital Scatter, etc etc). On difficulty 8 & 9 you get two of them.

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Risky Bisquick posted:

I tried a couple games with the railgun, the gun is no longer the king it once was. It doesn't strip armour reliably, it doesn't headshot reliably, so you're left whiffing shots being chased like you're on difficulty 4.

:rip: the dream boys, rip the dream

Spend a bit more time with it to get used to overcharging. It can still put in a lot of work, it's just a bit harder than it was before.

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
Meteors are cool when the warning light works properly but I think it's extremely inconsistent? A lot of the time I definitely wasn't seeing blue light until an instant before they hit.

Darox posted:

It's still crazy that nursing spitters and bile spitters are conditional spawns and only appear on certain missions. Bugs are an extremely two dimensional faction without them, it's hardly a surprise that the meta devolved to a two dimensional build to deal with them. Make Bile Spitters appear on every bug mission above difficulty 4.
Hard agree.

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Triarii
Jun 14, 2003

Waffle House posted:

Yep. Shoot underneath bugs for sure, they have soft bellehs

I tried to shoot chargers "properly" with the GL (from behind in the weak-to-explosives weakspot) and had dogshit results, but planting shots right under their chin seems to work much better (still not super consistent though)

https://i.imgur.com/ho2UQJL.mp4

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