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After playing a bit more today I think the nerfs were all pretty much spot on, the railgun was simply too strong for a hitscan weapon that didn't need a backpack, but I do think a lot of the other anti-armour stuff needs a bit of a buff. The recoilless rifle especially feels like it should hit a lot harder considering it takes up a backpack slot. I'd also like to see the AMR be able to chip away at heavy armour. Also I just played one of the new bot eradicate missions and goddamn they're so much fun now. The pubbies were absolutely losing their poo poo once they realised they couldn't just rely on mortars anymore and we started to get overrun. Good times.
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For me maybe the worst bugs to deal with are the small fuckers that jump at you because they can't be reliably kited, seem to come out of nowhere and deal a surprising amount of damage. and people always seem to underestimate them.
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Mar 7, 2024 21:33
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RBA Starblade posted:Lol I die in two robit shots in ultralight armor now Same. Light + shield pack and zoom around
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Mar 7, 2024 21:35
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Hats Wouldnt Fly posted:I think the bugs have part of their brain in their limbs it's cool and shouldn't be intuitive because they are aliens. God, what a universe we'd be living in if this strategy were replicable and the devs saying "Just use your strategems!" turned out to mean this.
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Mar 7, 2024 21:35
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Scoss posted:Is all of the rancor about the balance patch just crybaby pants pissing or did they actually screw things up? It's Reddit. You already know the answer.
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Mar 7, 2024 21:36
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hey mom its 420 posted:For me maybe the worst bugs to deal with are the small fuckers that jump at you because they can't be reliably kited, seem to come out of nowhere and deal a surprising amount of damage. and people always seem to underestimate them. Oh my god, Hunters. I swear I die to them more than anything else. They're not terribly damaging, but if one or two get on top of you, especially during a swarm or while you're trying to reload, you're toast.
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Mar 7, 2024 21:37
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Yeah I don't care how many bile spewers or chargers there are on the field, Hunters are always my target priority #1.
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Mar 7, 2024 21:39
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Like my #1 cause of death vs bugs is a hunter leaping in front of my autocannon or impact grenade to either kill me directly or ragdoll me to get hit again and killed
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Mar 7, 2024 21:40
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Section Z posted:But I like being able to bring the AMR to robot missions without essentially trolling the team They just need to make the Anti-material rifle mooooore anti-material
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Mar 7, 2024 21:44
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So hopefully any such thing doesn't become "Robocharger: gently caress your non-explosives"
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Hunters have been the prime cause of my newbie voice comms erupting with "AH, AH, gently caress, gently caress OFF!" I've watched the little fuckers try to flank, repeatedly, and I still forget until I'm panic spazzing away from flying talons.  I've been using the concussive assault rifle and saving up medals until I figure out what I want to work towards. I'm staring at the fire shotgun, but seems like general opinion for incendiary guns is lackluster? Probably doesn't matter long term.
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Had a charger ragdoll me into a fern last night and the impact killed me. it ruled lol
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Mar 7, 2024 21:47
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Nordick posted:Yeah I don't care how many bile spewers or chargers there are on the field, Hunters are always my target priority #1.  I see you, you little shite, trying to scoot out onto the side and hit us from the flank…Now stop dancing around and accept your liber-tea.
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Mar 7, 2024 21:48
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Waffle House posted:Oh my god, Hunters. I swear I die to them more than anything else. They're not terribly damaging, but if one or two get on top of you, especially during a swarm or while you're trying to reload, you're toast. Are there three types of hunters? Tiny - dont know name Medium - Pouncer Large - Hunter? It may just be two tbh and im conflating the tiny and medium together when its just small and larger But also agreed. They suck and I hate them
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ZeusCannon posted:Are there three types of hunters? These guys: https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/Hunter_(Helldivers_2) They have variants called Stalkers that are tougher, bigger and can go semi-invisible
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ZeusCannon posted:Are there three types of hunters? I think the tiny to medium size ones are all hunters, the big ones are stalkers and are invisibo
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ZeusCannon posted:Are there three types of hunters? hunters are the second smallest bug type
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Away all Goats posted:Played around with the flamethrower against the bugs last night and yeah, it's really good at killing Chargers now and I even managed to kill a couple of Bile Titans after enough time. But I generally preferred my breaker to taking down the smaller stuff which seems completely backwards to me. For one thing it has a wind-up time before any flames start shooting out, it's hard to judge distance of the flames, and the smaller bugs can still leap at you when on fire. When combined with the wall of flames it made it much harder to see them about to leap at you. The flamethrower asks you a question: are they bunched up or spread out? If they're spread out, then popping enemies individually with your primary is the better choice, because you're not in the situation where the flamethrower shines, which is 1) roasting chargers and 2) denying an area. On the other hand, are you watching bugs bunch up on the ramp out of a heavy nest, around a corner pathing into the extraction, or standing next to a breach that just opened? Then point the flamethrower at that area and get cooking. For leaper bugs, I still take the Rover since anything the flamethrower doesn't get, it is likely to sweep up. Dandywalken posted:Same. Light + shield pack and zoom around The best damage mitigation, in order of desirability, is: 1. Kill the source of the damage 2. Not be seen and shot at in the first place 3. Not get hit by what was shot at you As such light armor remains king. Baby T. Love posted:God, what a universe we'd be living in if this strategy were replicable and the devs saying "Just use your strategems!" turned out to mean this. When I say an EAT-17 can kill 3 chargers every 60 seconds, this is what I mean.
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I've definitely been killed by "Pouncer" before though. Wonder what that is then. Edit: i really would like a bestiary in game some day. Thatd be cool.
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ZeusCannon posted:I've definitely been killed by "Pouncer" before though. Wonder what that is then. Pouncer might be baby hunter 🤔
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Mar 7, 2024 21:51
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So you're saying a baby killed me. That seems accurate to my skill level.
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Mar 7, 2024 21:52
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Pouncers are the tiny Hunter like scavengers, Hunters are the medium, then Stalkers are the large.
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I like the baby hunters cuz when they jump its like skeet shooting
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Lmao a robot started taking potshots at me, I saw an unexploded hellbomb near where I was running, then I got to watch helplessly as the robot's tracers inched slowly away from me and toward the bomb
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Sgt. Cosgrove posted:They just need to make the Anti-material rifle mooooore anti-material ZeusCannon posted:I've definitely been killed by "Pouncer" before though. Wonder what that is then.
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Internet Explorer posted:Is there a primary or a secondary that has armor pen that is decent? I'm thinking specifically about those brown armor plated shield bugs that square up on you. Ran into this video today that talks about armor and armor penetration in-depth. Thought it was useful enough to share. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XvsSQEx7Z0
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hey mom its 420 posted:For me maybe the worst bugs to deal with are the small fuckers that jump at you because they can't be reliably kited, seem to come out of nowhere and deal a surprising amount of damage. and people always seem to underestimate them. arc thrower zaps these bastards out of the air and will cause their corpses to go flying out of your fov, very satisfying
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Insert name here posted:Classic mistake; it's an Anti-Materiel Rifle, meaning by definition it should be completely useless against bugs They have the tongue attack but without knockback iirc
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Dandywalken posted:They have the tongue attack but without knockback iirc  ) tongue attack does that.
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Piell posted:Like my #1 cause of death vs bugs is a hunter leaping in front of my autocannon or impact grenade to either kill me directly or ragdoll me to get hit again and killed This one of the main reasons I started using the ARC against bugs. It chops them down like fields of wheat. It also doesn't care if they strafe or jump because if you just hit one near them they die anyway to the arc. You can kill basically every small bug in a breach yourself and let teammates deal with chargers. It's so much fun. (Sorry to all the teammates who cosplayed as wheat! Democracy, you know!)
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Apes-A-Poppin posted:7th difficulty feels just right enough, as has every difficulty thus far, imo they really succeeded in building the difficulty curve. I'd be happy staying on this level if 8 and 9 are just the same but with more hulks and tanks. 8/9 are mostly the same with more hulks/tanks but you also get another debilitating stratagem debuff
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All Terminids. Scavengers: Basic Tiny Bug. Pouncer: Young Hunter. Bile Spitter: Tiny Bug that spits. Hunter: Stealthy Bug that sneaks on you. Warrior: Basic larger bug. Bile Warrior: Warriors that explode in bile when killed. Hive Guard: Larger bug with armour. Stalker: Larger Hunters that can camouflage and knock back. Brood Commander: Big reddish bugs that are pretty tanky and relentless. Bile Spewer: Big fat bugs that do as their name suggests. Nursing Spewer: Weaker less armoured spewers that create a poison fog. Chargers: you know and hate them. Bile Titan: the biggest bug.
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Internet Explorer posted:Ran into this video today that talks about armor and armor penetration in-depth. Thought it was useful enough to share. This is actually a really well presented video, thanks for posting this! It's good to know that the presented numbers in game seem internally consistent and don't appear to be bullshit
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Is there a difference between the bile spewers that shoot arty and the lower difficulty ones? It feels like there are some bile spewers that arent armored in lower diffs but i might be wrong.
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ZeusCannon posted:Is there a difference between the bile spewers that shoot arty and the lower difficulty ones? It feels like there are some bile spewers that arent armored in lower diffs but i might be wrong. Those are the nursing spewers.
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The one thing I've been genuinely disappointed by so far is the lack of a chest bump emote 
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:The one thing I've been genuinely disappointed by so far is the lack of a chest bump emote Yeah, I could totally go for some over the top bro emotes from Army of Two.
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:The one thing I've been genuinely disappointed by so far is the lack of a chest bump emote And the dedicated FOR DEMOCRACY button. And a carriable flag.
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Musluk posted:And a carriable flag. This is a huge miss, tbh. Make the flag give some kinda bonus when you can see it, and make it a melee weapon for the carrier. Naturally it's a stratagem.
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Internet Explorer posted:Ran into this video today that talks about armor and armor penetration in-depth. Thought it was useful enough to share. I've only watched the Brood Commander section so far, but it's interesting that he shows that the Light Penetration Slugger can penetrate the head (Red X), while the Light Armor Penetration Breaker and Liberator cannot, and get damage reduction (White X), but doesn't bother taking this to the conclusion that the devs have already revealed, that Armor is on a 10-point scale and that Light Armor is a Range of numbers within that scale. I'd really like someone to try and get those specific 1-10 Armor and Pen numbers.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Those are the nursing spewers. Ok so the moment they go green they have armor etc i just didnt notice.
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