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I wonder if doge made the charger so porky so it can qualify for the IRS section 179 tax write off.
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Mar 6, 2024 15:18
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There are 613 new Challengers and 456 new Chargers sitting on lots all within a 50 mile radius of where I live lol I suspect they are going to have to discount them even more to get rid of them that's a crazy amount of stock for those cars.
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Mar 6, 2024 15:32
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They built them like crazy to have inventory to weather the strike. Now they’re stuck with an inventory glut and sky high interest rates.
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Mar 6, 2024 17:48
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I rented a Charger GT V6 for a week and honestly it wasn't a bad car at all, it was a great highway cruiser. I could get a new one for $28k. There's also a few V8 Challengers in the low 30's and a couple with manuals in the 35 range. I'd love to drive a Challenger V8 manual just to see how it drives, I didn't even know they offered them with a manual. [e] this is really going to screw up the used market for them as well, people are going to have to price them way lower to compete with the new deals going on Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Mar 6, 2024 |
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Mar 6, 2024 17:59
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Just need a new war and a new draft and those dodges will fly off the shelves at 29%
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Mar 6, 2024 18:01
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The EV Charger being 2721kgs is a new level of absurd tho. For reference a RR Spectre is 2890kgs - Rolls Royce never was in the business of light cars so a FCA coupe to approach this weight without the luxury is just a real what the hell, esp when weight is a huge EV range killer. Found out why it's so heavy https://twitter.com/CrazyWeeMonkey/status/1765400244513276350?t=_0Bk5A3UEtHk9k6HBgSGiw&s=19
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Mar 6, 2024 20:16
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the vehicles are increasing in size to meet the needs of being on the road with vehicles increasing in size and with EV batteries, crazy heavy as well. RIP our road quality even more. multiple negative feedback loops converging here.
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Mar 6, 2024 20:27
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Found out why it's so heavy I'm suddenly on board.
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Mar 6, 2024 20:29
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Found out why it's so heavy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arnWU1sWqKw
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Mar 6, 2024 20:39
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Guinness posted:the vehicles are increasing in size to meet the needs of being on the road with vehicles increasing in size I thought it was insane that my car weighs 3,400 lbs because I measure everything against my first car, which was a 2 door 318i that weighed 2,400 lbs. The Hummer EV battery weighs 400lbs more than an entire E30.
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Mar 6, 2024 21:10
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My '92 Sentra SE-R was 2,400lbs. My Alfa is 3,800. My Grand Wagoneer is 7700!
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Mar 6, 2024 21:40
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Was the SUX 6000 a liftback? davecrazy posted:My Grand Wagoneer is 7700! Are you sure you're not confusing GVWR? C&D weighed a wagoneer L at 6428lbs, MT at 6326lbs
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Mar 6, 2024 23:13
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Powershift posted:Was the SUX 6000 a liftback? This is what the SUX 6000 was underneath. Just a traditional, non-liftback sedan Q_res fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Mar 6, 2024 |
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Mar 6, 2024 23:41
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Guinness posted:the vehicles are increasing in size to meet the needs of being on the road with vehicles increasing in size Roads should care more about weight per square inch that cars put down. Given the ev charger can come with up to 305s front / 325s rear, I would not be surprised if cars put down less weight per squinch than 20 years ago, when the standard width was what, <200?
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Mar 7, 2024 01:15
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Guinness posted:the vehicles are increasing in size to meet the needs of being on the road with vehicles increasing in size Making up for the missing combustion emissions with an absolute poo poo ton of microplastic tire particulates
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Mar 7, 2024 02:10
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morothar posted:Roads should care more about weight per square inch that cars put down. Given the ev charger can come with up to 305s front / 325s rear, I would not be surprised if cars put down less weight per squinch than 20 years ago, when the standard width was what, <200? I did the math of a 7000lb car with 305/35zr20's vs my old 318i on 195/60H14's, you're right in that it's less weight per square inch for the newer car but you're also subjecting a lot more square inches of asphalt to that force than you do with the smaller car. It's not as simple as just boiling it down to psi, you're subjecting the road surface to basically a 7000lb rolling pin and there are a lot of dynamic forces at play that break down the material. All that to say, I'm not *that* kind of engineer but I would be super curious to see what the relative impact of those to vehicles would actually be to the road surface. *318i is about 11% more weight per square inch than hypothetical 7000lb car on 20's.
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Mar 7, 2024 13:46
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It doesn't really matter either way because the road wear increases with the 4th power of weight per axle. So even porky passenger vehicles do nothing but busses and heavy trucks gently caress poo poo up real quick. Random chart from GIS: 
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Mar 7, 2024 14:03
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^^^^^^^^^^ Hah, nice chart. DoesNotCompute posted:All that to say, I'm not *that* kind of engineer but I would be super curious to see what the relative impact of those to vehicles would actually be to the road surface.
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Mar 7, 2024 14:04
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So I guess we need six wheeled vehicles like the amphicat again
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Mar 7, 2024 14:08
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mobby_6kl posted:It doesn't really matter either way because the road wear increases with the 4th power of weight per axle. So even porky passenger vehicles do nothing but busses and heavy trucks gently caress poo poo up real quick. the answer is always miata move from trucks to trailer miatas
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Mar 7, 2024 14:20
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tetrapyloctomy posted:^^^^^^^^^^ I haven't seen a fourth power since doing moment of inertia calculations, I thought I had repressed from my memories. It makes sense that it's not a proportional impact on the road surface the more I think about it. Maybe this will make parking garage owners repaint some lines and lower capacity. Losing a bit of revenue vs. "catastrophic structural failure" seems wise, and if I worked for an insurance company that covered parking structures you bet I would be knocking on some doors to ask some questions because they'll be on the hook when a few dozen people get squished.
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Mar 7, 2024 14:28
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MeruFM posted:the answer is always miata Me sat in traffic in my Miata: "I need to get a motorbike for commuting"
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Mar 7, 2024 14:34
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There was another hit on google of a recent paper, I don't have time to read the whole thing but there was this chart: https://www.pure.ed.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/313811988/Read_wear_EV_CTEP_Publishers_Copy.pdf Olympic Mathlete posted:Me sat in traffic in my Miata: "I need to get a motorbike for commuting"  I can walk to my work (or WFH) so it's not really an issue but going through downtown or some of the ring roads for any reason can be a nightmare at times and would be much faster and more fun on a bike. A Grom would do it I think. At least I think it would, if I wasn't too much of a pussy to ride anything with fewer than 4 wheels 
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Mar 7, 2024 14:46
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mobby_6kl posted:It doesn't really matter either way because the road wear increases with the 4th power of weight per axle. So even porky passenger vehicles do nothing but busses and heavy trucks gently caress poo poo up real quick. This is a good chart and it led me down a bit of a rabbit hole. Seems like the above is largely a rule of thumb, and at least not directly applicable to non-truck loads. If you dig into the underlying model, most of it comes back to load per squinch. E.g. there are concerns and evidence that the higher psi on radial tires (vs. bias-ply) cause more damage to the road surface due to higher loads per squinch. Similarly for changes from dual tire setups to single wide base tires for the same reason. This is just a trip report and some of the papers I skimmed were old enough to vote. I know we have civil/road engineers here, who may have a more comprehensive understanding. Good point on the microplastics from the rubber though. Even if the increased weight of EVs may not matter due to increasing tire sizes, the torque makes them burn through rubber something fierce.
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Mar 7, 2024 15:18
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mobby_6kl posted:It doesn't really matter either way because the road wear increases with the 4th power of weight per axle. So even porky passenger vehicles do nothing but busses and heavy trucks gently caress poo poo up real quick. If that's accurate, the "big rigs" isn't even close and probably just a truck driving without a trailer -- that works out to 8t metric, which is a GVW range that doesn't require CDL in most of the U.S. to my knowledge. mobby_6kl posted:There was another hit on google of a recent paper, I don't have time to read the whole thing but there was this chart: meanwhile actual semi-trailer/U.S. Class 8 trucks fully loaded are that up to 44t metric GVW range, CDL is (I believe) 11t metric GVW and up.
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Mar 7, 2024 15:27
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harperdc posted:If that's accurate, the "big rigs" isn't even close and probably just a truck driving without a trailer -- that works out to 8t metric, which is a GVW range that doesn't require CDL in most of the U.S. to my knowledge. 18k lbs is not unreasonable for axle loads. steers are like 12k. but the other vehicles are not axle loads so it doesn't make any sense.
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Mar 7, 2024 18:23
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Edit - Basically confirming KYOON.
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Mar 7, 2024 19:16
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https://www.motor1.com/news/711575/rivian-r3-reveal/amp/   Looks fine for any CUV I guess  Lots of motor options, Strikes me as early for them to start moving down market; will they be able to produce enough of these to make it worth while financially? Sab669 fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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Mar 7, 2024 20:16
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I like it, very Niva. shame it's going to be so expensive.
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Mar 7, 2024 20:23
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https://twitter.com/a1goy/status/1765818825692344826?s=61&t=SBGU1jLm4WfxYcqJ_HahaQ
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Mar 7, 2024 20:30
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People love small hatchbacks so I’m sure it would sell
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Mar 7, 2024 20:32
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The R3X has some Delta vibes
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Mar 7, 2024 20:38
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People DO love small hatchbacks, you just need to call them CUVs, add AWD, and an extra inch or two of lift. I'm sure Rivian feels they need to have a cheaper option to reach a wider audience and get in on the EV tax credit. There's only so many people who're in the $70k+ market who're going to look outside the big German names and if they ever want to become a major manufacturer with a name people recognize and the ability to actually maintain a nationwide support structure they need to get more trucks on the streets. Depending on how much a more optioned out one costs I might be interested, if I think I can actually get it worked on if(when) there's a problem.
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Mar 7, 2024 20:43
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Yeah I was being serious. You can see the golf/escort lineage there Of course escorts were entry level vehicles and priced that way hahah
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Mar 7, 2024 20:44
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Sab669 posted:https://www.motor1.com/news/711575/rivian-r3-reveal/amp/ I like it. Wheels too big as usual.
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Elem7 posted:People DO love small hatchbacks, you just need to call them CUVs, add AWD, and an extra inch or two of lift. They don't even need AWD
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Mar 7, 2024 21:17
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Y’all crazy. This is obviously a Łada.
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Mar 7, 2024 21:17
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I dig Rivians. The R1s, the R2 looks cool, and my wife digs the R3 as well. There's no set dimensions on the R3 yet, but apparently the wheelbase is 5" shorter than the R2. If the length follows the wheelbase, that would put it at about 180" long, which is CX-5 sized. The pictures they've released of it make it super hard to get a sense of scale. Edit: Only picture I've seen that includes a person:  And I think the wheels are 20" so you can probably extrapolate some length with a decent profile shot. Boaz MacPhereson fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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Sab669 posted:https://www.motor1.com/news/711575/rivian-r3-reveal/amp/ "I want a Honda-E!" "We have a Honda-E at home" Honda-E at home:
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