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Allison is back with (The) Charmed (Reboot) is a Mess: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb_Z4LGgINI.
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Mar 8, 2024 15:02
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Bioshock infinite is the stupidest game i've ever played and that fact that people think it says anything even slightly intelligent is the biggest sign that video games are a dead artform.
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Mar 8, 2024 15:12
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tbf people thought so at the time because they were desperate for validation but finding that opinion in the wild now is insanely rare. never seen such a huge turnaround on opinion.
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Mar 8, 2024 15:17
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the media was really pushing infinite on the bet that it was going to be a 10/10 classic and that did not held up at all
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Mar 8, 2024 15:32
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Ghostlight posted:i haven't played the game in like a decade but was he a socialist labour leader? like, my memory of it is that he was just the exact same creature as ryan except he was late to the party so he has to cloak his self-interest in revolutionary rhetoric rather than ideological righteousness. right, but that reflects a pretty dominant Western worldview of the “end of history” era/generation and especially certain dudes- the idea that “socialism sounds really good in theory but actually it’s impossible because people are inherently selfish and greedy and all uprisings inevitably devolve into struggles for wealth and power, etc for entirely self-evident and spontaneous reasons—” like just because the game buries it behind a million things it cares more about like “making morally ‘complex’ choices” and whatnot doesn’t mean that the game doesn’t have a worldview Like it’s very obvious between Bioshock 1 and 3 that Ken Levine is a libertarian who “thinks about politics”, with 2 being better purely because he got backseated. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Mar 8, 2024 |
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Mar 8, 2024 15:34
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it's been a while since i played that game but i seem to recall after you reach the beach resort and then tell Elizabeth to stop dancing the game just completely goes downhill with ghost wife fight, non-songbird fight, daisy fitzroy's character assassination etc
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Mar 8, 2024 15:46
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Honest Thief posted:the media was really pushing infinite on the bet that it was going to be a 10/10 classic and that did not held up at all Yahtzee gave it something like a recommendation, which is saying something if you know the guy.
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Mar 8, 2024 15:46
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but what was the irate gamer's opinion
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Mar 8, 2024 15:56
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Dawgstar posted:Allison is back with (The) Charmed (Reboot) is a Mess: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb_Z4LGgINI. Starting off with the greatest moment of course. Cant wait for Carman. Spark That Bled posted:Yahtzee gave it something like a recommendation, which is saying something if you know the guy. To be fair I feel like every reviewer praised it at the time.
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Mar 8, 2024 16:02
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it felt even more egregious it was yahtzee of all people though. you don't expect the guy who's a hardass towards even the likes of Dishonored to suddenly just dump praise on such a strange and lovely shooter. i remember he appreciated columbia reminding you about being in the sky a lot via skyhooks and man i guess.
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Mar 8, 2024 16:06
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Bioshock Infinite was very much a product of its time, that weird brief period from like 2008 to 2016 where people thought racism was "over" because we'd elected a black president. Then the next four years (or really, pretty much everything since then) put the reality of the situation into such stark contrast that it made the shittier parts of Bioshock Infinite's plot really stick out in retrospect.
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Mar 8, 2024 16:35
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I feel like “both sides are the same” is also a thing that was more popular around that time, and isn’t used as much today.
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Mar 8, 2024 16:37
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yahtzee is a very stupid man so he probably thought it was smart
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Mar 8, 2024 16:39
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racism was over but then it came back. sad situation.
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Mar 8, 2024 16:44
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Paul Zuvella posted:Bioshock infinite is the stupidest game i've ever played and that fact that people think it says anything even slightly intelligent is the biggest sign that video games are a dead artform. video games are a valid art form its just gamers are so insecure about roger ebert owning them they latch onto games that tell really lovely stories that try their hardest to be serious movies (last of us 2) or do a surface level analysis of serious subjects (bioshock infinite) and ignore other games actually experimenting with the medium as an art form
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Mar 8, 2024 16:47
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bobjr posted:I feel like “both sides are the same” is also a thing that was more popular around that time, and isn’t used as much today. No, the "both sides bad" is absolutely still a thing. There's definitely more pushback against it these days because a lot more people have come to realize it's South Park-level bullshit but it hasn't stopped people from telling stories where they try to both-sides a false equivalence. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Mar 8, 2024 |
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Mar 8, 2024 16:47
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:Bioshock Infinite was very much a product of its time, that weird brief period from like 2008 to 2016 where people thought racism was "over" because we'd elected a black president. Then the next four years (or really, pretty much everything since then) put the reality of the situation into such stark contrast that it made the shittier parts of Bioshock Infinite's plot really stick out in retrospect. people were calling it stupid then too
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Mar 8, 2024 16:49
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columbia sucks its not as cool as rapture and really strains the suspension of disbelief despite the story trying to make it work with magic
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Mar 8, 2024 16:50
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Endorph posted:but what was the irate gamer's opinion he was playing skylanders at the time and being based
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Mar 8, 2024 16:51
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Arc Hammer posted:No, the "both sides bad" is absolutely still a thing. There's definitely more pushback against it these days because a lot more people have come to realize it's South Park-level bullshit but it hasn't stopped people from telling stories where they try to both-sides a false equivalence. I feel like the worst thing that ever happened to South Park was convincing itself it was biting social commentary.
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Mar 8, 2024 16:54
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:columbia sucks its not as cool as rapture and really strains the suspension of disbelief despite the story trying to make it work with magic Columbia was badly lacking in character and depth. Probably in part because the game is such a mess of random ideas and rewrites. Like man, remember that part in the beginning where they're literally worshiping the founding fathers as deities? That's an interesting idea, oh wait that literally never comes up again after the intro. Also I can never not mention the Fallout-style theft system that exists in exactly 3 places in the entire game for some reason. Maybe it would've made more sense if the game we got had actually been an immersive sim.
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Mar 8, 2024 16:56
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:video games are a valid art form its just gamers are so insecure about roger ebert owning them they latch onto games that tell really lovely stories that try their hardest to be serious movies (last of us 2) or do a surface level analysis of serious subjects (bioshock infinite) and ignore other games actually experimenting with the medium as an art form yea. it's all an assembly of various art forms made into a super one from code to design to visuals, "art" hit cabinets in 1978 with Space Invaders and probably before that i unno
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Mar 8, 2024 16:57
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:video games are a valid art form its just gamers are so insecure about roger ebert owning them they latch onto games that tell really lovely stories that try their hardest to be serious movies (last of us 2) or do a surface level analysis of serious subjects (bioshock infinite) and ignore other games actually experimenting with the medium as an art form Yup
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Mar 8, 2024 16:57
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Bioshock Infinite has two parts. Part one is “A liberal is against every war except the current ones. For every social movement except the current ones.” The early sections of the game are smug condemnations of issues settled decades ago. Saying chattel slavery and the massacre of Native Americans is bad in 2013 doesn’t take moral courage but it feels good. This is the parts that probably appealed to many reviewers. Part two is “Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.” The game has a psychotic break at the end of the section about how making money by stealing labor is bad. It is justified in game with a portal to a parallel world. The game is now about personally shooting every worker and minority in the face. Anti-materialism is embraced as now ghosts exist. The game ends in a maximalist version of the fascist death drive, killing yourself and every single possible version of yourself. I did not play the DLC.
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Mar 8, 2024 16:59
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John Murdoch posted:Columbia was badly lacking in character and depth. Probably in part because the game is such a mess of random ideas and rewrites. Jason Schrier wrote a book that follows the development of Infinite and the game had shuffled through like 3 AAA size staffs before it got out the door. It was rebuilt from the ground up like multiple times.
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Mar 8, 2024 16:59
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And then Ken Levine dismantled the team as a "gently caress you got mine" to go start a new studio. They still have not finished a game.
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Mar 8, 2024 17:03
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Arc Hammer posted:And then Ken Levine dismantled the team as a "gently caress you got mine" to go start a new studio. That studio never showing anything makes me think it’s some sort of fraud front or a prison designed to keep the world safe from Ken Levine. Edit: oh they apparently showed a trailer in 2022. TheMightyBoops fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Mar 8, 2024 |
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Mar 8, 2024 17:05
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Wasn't there something about him being tapped to write a Logan's Run reboot or something? I don't think that ever got off the ground, if it was ever a thing to begin with.
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Mar 8, 2024 17:05
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KingKalamari posted:I feel like the worst thing that ever happened to South Park was convincing itself it was biting social commentary. For a short time about twenty years ago it kinda was, although that was more due to the deep failure of every other social commentary venue.
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Mar 8, 2024 17:06
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i remember bioshock infinite doing really well in giant bomb's game of the year awards for 2013 and to this day i think it's their biggest whiff of all time
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Mar 8, 2024 17:09
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TheMightyBoops posted:That studio never showing anything makes me think it’s some sort of fraud front or a prison designed to keep the world safe from Ken Levine. Yeah they were radio silent for years, with Levine claiming he wanted to focus on story based games, but then they came crawling back with...legally-distinct Bioshock. Oops!
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Mar 8, 2024 17:10
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Gamers are so insanely insecure that the current weird as gently caress controversy is people being mad about a narrative consultancy company that has been in the business for ages because gamers saw an old trailer for Alan Wake 2 featuring a white actress for Saga Anderson and assumed the company made her and every video game character black
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Mar 8, 2024 17:10
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In essence video games are good but people should not be allowed to play them
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Mar 8, 2024 17:11
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John Murdoch posted:Yeah they were radio silent for years, with Levine claiming he wanted to focus on story based games, but then they came crawling back with...legally-distinct Bioshock. Oops! quote:“Judas takes place on Mayflower, a city traveling through space.” lol
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Mar 8, 2024 17:13
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The Saddest Rhino posted:In essence video games are good but people should not be allowed to play them Harsh but fair.
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Mar 8, 2024 17:13
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YOU are EL DORADO
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Mar 8, 2024 17:14
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TheMightyBoops posted:Jason Schrier wrote a book that follows the development of Infinite and the game had shuffled through like 3 AAA size staffs before it got out the door. It was rebuilt from the ground up like multiple times. Clearly the system works.
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Mar 8, 2024 17:15
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Levine is a man desperately in need of a second idea...
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Mar 8, 2024 17:19
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Runa posted:YOU are EL DORADO bye space flute
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Mar 8, 2024 17:24
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The Saddest Rhino posted:In essence video games are good but people should not be allowed to play them Guy at GameStop giving out a literacy test before he's allowed to open the case
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