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I literally can't keep up with this discourse because I haven't seen this movie and am theoretically planning to watch it in nine hours or so butSome Guy TT posted:i dont agree that she has an intuitive understanding of material conditions because shes almost completely insulated from personal consequences even after she leaves the house her behavior is tolerated and even encouraged by nearly everyone she meets because shes a well dressed attractive white woman TT if you haven't seen Being There you should see Being There, it sounds like it's more about what you're getting at than this other movie everyone is yelling at you about
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Mar 9, 2024 16:38
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Some Guy TT posted:trying to read poor things as an unironic feminist allegory is kind of like reading starship troopers as a straightforward scifi action flick i can see how you can do it if youre just taking everything at face value but its not something that makes any sense if you put basically any thought into the premise at all you made up your mind about this before you even started watching the movie: Some Guy TT posted:plz report back on whether poor things is any good and if i should watch it too pretty much every place ive seen it described has made it sound like cringe pop feminism garbage in the style of barbie
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Mar 9, 2024 16:39
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Some Guy TT posted:being a whore isnt much of a consequence if you love sex and would be doing it as a job even if you didnt need the money Actually the sex work isn't sex work because the main character is a dumb whore might be the funniest dumb guy interpretation of the movie I've seen yet. It's a great movie to bring people to see if you want to find out if they hate women.
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Mar 9, 2024 16:42
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loquacius posted:TT if you haven't seen Being There you should see Being There, it sounds like it's more about what you're getting at than this other movie everyone is yelling at you about poor things is being there except that chance the gardener gets smarter every time he orgasms
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Mar 9, 2024 16:44
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:you made up your mind about this before you even started watching the movie: am i to understand that youre under the impression i think poor things is a bad movie because i compared it and the discourse surrounding it to starship troopers
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Mar 9, 2024 16:46
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Some Guy TT posted:poor things is being there except that chance the gardener gets smarter every time he orgasms let's veer away from the topic getting you yelled at by everyone: TT, what do you think it signifies that in what you describe as parallel stories, one of them never depicts the main character having an orgasm at all
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Mar 9, 2024 16:47
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Chance is even put in a position where he could (and is socially expected to) gently caress, but instead watches TV while his girlfriend masturbates mostly off-camera. This is implied to happen frequently but is only depicted onscreen once.
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Mar 9, 2024 16:50
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:you made up your mind about this before you even started watching the movie: They no more watched the movie than an infant can be said to have watched a movie The pictures and sounds may have washed over them passively but that's the extent of the understanding involved
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Mar 9, 2024 16:50
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Gumball Gumption posted:Actually the sex work isn't sex work because the main character is a dumb whore might be the funniest dumb guy interpretation of the movie I've seen yet. do you think the purpose of the brothel portion of the movie was to depict bella as suffering through the injustice of white slavery or to illustrate the growth of her character through a series of amusing events where shes forced to engage with sex on more ambiguous terms than shes experienced so far it sounds like you think the former while i think the latter and im scratching my head a bit trying to figure out why you think my position is the more misogynist sex negative one of thevtwo
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Mar 9, 2024 16:53
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Some Guy TT posted:am i to understand that youre under the impression i think poor things is a bad movie because i compared it and the discourse surrounding it to starship troopers My impression is that you don't think
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Mar 9, 2024 16:53
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loquacius posted:let's veer away from the topic getting you yelled at by everyone: TT, what do you think it signifies that in what you describe as parallel stories, one of them never depicts the main character having an orgasm at all 
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Mar 9, 2024 16:54
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haven’t seen the movie everyone’s talking about but op’s posts read like he would be arguing a completely opposite reading of the movie if he had just clicked on it at random on Netflix without having heard anything about it
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Mar 9, 2024 16:55
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Hey remember the part where even "good guy" ending husband Ramy Youssef implies God is a potential romantic rival and he just wants to gently caress his daughter/creation like all the other men in her life and he has to explicitly state that he views her as a daughter but moreover that he is impotent and that is the only thing that calms him down if you're an absolute idiot there sure is no subtext to be found in that brief interaction but it otherwise seems like an important statement about... something. Can't put my finger on it because the movie is just about some weird isolated incidents and people and definitely not framed in an oppressive victorian society for any reason
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Mar 9, 2024 16:58
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Some Guy TT posted:do you think the purpose of the brothel portion of the movie was to depict bella as suffering through the injustice of white slavery or to illustrate the growth of her character through a series of amusing events where shes forced to engage with sex on more ambiguous terms than shes experienced so far 
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Mar 9, 2024 16:58
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what the heck is happening itt
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Mar 9, 2024 16:59
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Some Guy TT posted:you can read the general any way you like we could also read him as representing british military intractability during the boer war or gunboat diplomacy or the classical stiff upper lip countenance of imperial british culture yes but theres no reason to read him that way when the most obvious interpretation is that he represents authority through violence, since he is the only character in the movie that asserts their authority using violence
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Mar 9, 2024 17:00
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Buck Wildman posted:what the heck is happening itt ymgve posted:Into the Urkelverse
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Mar 9, 2024 17:01
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Buck Wildman posted:what the heck is happening itt It's bad!
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Mar 9, 2024 17:01
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quote:Swiney: You are an idealist. Like me. How delightful you are. But we must give in to the demands of the world sometimes. Grapple with it. Try to defeat it.
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Mar 9, 2024 17:02
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Hey remember the part where even "good guy" ending husband Ramy Youssef implies God is a potential romantic rival and he just wants to gently caress his daughter/creation like all the other men in her life and he has to explicitly state that he views her as a daughter but moreover that he is impotent and that is the only thing that calms him down an oppressive victorian society that doesnt notice or care that one of its generals was murdered by a woman who becomes a prestigious doctor and is now keeping his mutilated corpse as a pet again you take this at face value as not at all contradictory but i presume think its very obvious that the bugs in starship troopers could not have possibly attacked buenos aires
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Mar 9, 2024 17:02
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Some Guy TT posted:do you think the purpose of the brothel portion of the movie was to depict bella as suffering through the injustice of white slavery or to illustrate the growth of her character through a series of amusing events where shes forced to engage with sex on more ambiguous terms than shes experienced so far I think she's forced to work in the brothel, learns about socialism, and improves the conditions she works in, partially by just being one of the first people to say that the rules are arbitrary and if you fight for freedom you can achieve it. I'm not sure where you're getting a lot of that other stuff. I don't think the movie is very concerned with the white genocide or whatever that is you said
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Mar 9, 2024 17:03
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Some Guy TT posted:you can read the general any way you like we could also read him as representing british military intractability during the boer war or gunboat diplomacy or the classical stiff upper lip countenance of imperial british culture I don't think so, since I like those things and I didn't like him.
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Mar 9, 2024 17:03
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scary ghost dog posted:yes but theres no reason to read him that way when the most obvious interpretation is that he represents authority through violence, since he is the only character in the movie that asserts their authority using violence i agree! Gumball Gumption posted:I think she's forced to work in the brothel, learns about socialism, and improves the conditions she works in, partially by just being one of the first people to say that the rules are arbitrary and if you fight for freedom you can achieve it. I'm not sure where you're getting a lot of that other stuff. I don't think the movie is very concerned with the white genocide or whatever that is you said i also agree with this
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Mar 9, 2024 17:04
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Augus posted:drat ye! Let Lobster strike ye dead TT! GAAAAAASSSSS!
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Mar 9, 2024 17:05
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Some Guy TT posted:i agree! then why are you proposing all of these ludicrous alternative interpretations of an extremely straightforward satire
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Mar 9, 2024 17:06
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Some Guy TT posted:an oppressive victorian society that doesnt notice or care that one of its generals was murdered by a woman who becomes a prestigious doctor and is now keeping his mutilated corpse as a pet So like what's your drug of choice and how much did you take today?
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scary ghost dog posted:he is the only character in the movie that asserts their authority using violence There are definitely others that do so either explicitly or act with the implicit understanding that they're backed by physical force should the need arise (e.g. the men on the boat). I've not got a bone in this fight, but the point stands.
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Mar 9, 2024 17:06
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Some Guy TT posted:an oppressive victorian society that doesnt notice or care that one of its generals was murdered by a woman who becomes a prestigious doctor and is now keeping his mutilated corpse as a pet It's a fantasy for christ's sake she beats an emblematic form of the bad guy oppressor state and gets a happy ending (notably different from the book even in that she explicitly dedicates the rest of her life to women's rights and helping the poor) but the film is stylized as Wizard of Oz (even starting in black and white until she goes out into the world of fantastical color) and just like Oz (the great and powerful rule of the state), The General is just a bully and a coward easily defeated because you can't end a movie with "and then the main character spent the rest of her life doing hard work to undo the inherent injustices of society", that doesn't really work in a film Good Soldier Svejk has issued a correction as of 17:10 on Mar 9, 2024 |
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Mar 9, 2024 17:07
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Some Guy TT posted:an oppressive victorian society that doesnt notice or care that one of its generals was murdered by a woman who becomes a prestigious doctor and is now keeping his mutilated corpse as a pet 
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i say swears online posted:I miss the old Urkel
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Open Source Idiom posted:There are definitely others that do so either explicitly or act with the implicit understanding that they're backed by physical force should the need arise (e.g. the men on the boat). the difference between these assertions of violence is that the general has a gun, which is framed like an extremely important and powerful item that grants the general his ultimate authority over life and death, and he wields it casually to instruct his servants. the workers on the boat beating up ruffalo for being unruly is only comparable if youre heing pedantic
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Mar 9, 2024 17:14
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:It's a fantasy for christ's sake i agree!
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Finally finished the curse and the ending was so loving stupid and amazing you'd never predict it in a million years. Incredible show, one of my favorites in the last year. Ending came out of left fielder.
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Mar 9, 2024 17:16
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this is like when Man Ray was trying to give Patrick his wallet back
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Mar 9, 2024 17:17
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Justin Tyme posted:Finally finished the curse and the ending was so loving stupid and amazing you'd never predict it in a million years. Incredible show, one of my favorites in the last year. Ending came out of left fielder. Absolutely
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:Absolutely
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quote:ALFIE quote:BELLA quote:ALFIE quote:BELLA Clearly the general is framed as just a singular bad egg in an otherwise perfectly fine society and not that his position nurtures and requires an inherent violence (and ignore the revelation that Bella's time with him is seemingly to confirm that she was also a terrible person who abused their servants with no remorse when she held the aristocratic stature)
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Clearly the general is framed as just a singular bad egg in an otherwise perfectly fine society and not that his position nurtures and requires an inherent violence (and ignore the revelation that Bella's time with him is seemingly to confirm that she was also a terrible person who abused their servants with no remorse when she held the aristocratic stature) why did you include the first line about the general fearing an uprising if your interpretation is that he represents broad power if anything the fact that he can even perceive that hes in danger suggests that for all his bluster he knows hes in a bad position and the gun is symbolic of his weakness not his strength
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Kinda feel like video games seem to trail the pop culture mainstream by about a decade? Maybe because of technical limitations, like the 00s being boom years for video games and also major hardware strides freeing up limitations, and then a lost decade of stagnation and artificiality. The publishers decided in the 00s that the market for video games in the US was entirely spike tv viewers/male 18-25 demographic. People were fuming mad that Wind Waker had colorful graphics and outside of Nintendo, no one was even trying to make games that weren't washed in some shade of brown in the name of "realism". There are probably some counterexamples, but I can't think of any Western-developed releases that weren't leaning into either gritty realism or like I guess Simpson's Hit and Run which was based on a cartoon IP.
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